Thirty plus years of pharma sales and I’m so over it. Has anyone transitioned out of this industry?


The reality of this question is depressing.

I got out after 15 years in 2008, actually laid off and made the decision not to try to get back in. I ended up in the Device and SaaS businesses.

The good news is other sales jobs care about how much you sell not the BS that the Pharma business constantly asked for. There are no ride alongs with your manager, few reports to submit and all of the crazy metrics that guide Pharma life don't exist. If you sell, you keep your job. If you don't, you lose your job.

So my guess is this sounds great to you. It can be. If your company has reasonable expectations around quotas, you can make a lot of money without the aggravation. You will work longer hours because you will make additional money for everything you sell.

The downside is the stress caused by poor leadership and there is a lot of poor leadership. Companies fluctuate between reasonable expectations and stretch goals. If you get new leadership that wants to show the board that they can maximize sales, you get unreasonable goals and a lot of turnover. It is a cycle. They go for the stretch goals, most people don't make them the first year, and anyone who did make their goal fails the second year. Again, a lot of turnover and then the goals get normalized again because the reps with the connections and relationships move on to other companies.

What this means to you is you will have a few good years with a company, then someone will make bad decisions. You then leave to find a new job that is good for a few years and repeat.

Compare that with Pharma. Lots of BS metrics and manager time, but not a lot of accountability. You guys have to worry about layoffs, but mostly your job is safe if you stay in the middle of the pack. Lots of excuses that are usually valid around formulary, etc. so it is harder to get fired. The job is mind numbing, but not difficult and much lower stress.

Last point - The older you get the less likely you will make a positive change. Companies have a preference for young reps. They think they are more energetic and work harder. I find the opposite. I have sold and managed on both sides, and will take an experienced rep with market knowledge and relationships with key players every time. Unfortunately that is not the norm. The older you get the less likely you are to get hired, so when the next set of stretch goals comes out, it can really mess with your world.
 








The reality of this question is depressing.

I got out after 15 years in 2008, actually laid off and made the decision not to try to get back in. I ended up in the Device and SaaS businesses.

The good news is other sales jobs care about how much you sell not the BS that the Pharma business constantly asked for. There are no ride alongs with your manager, few reports to submit and all of the crazy metrics that guide Pharma life don't exist. If you sell, you keep your job. If you don't, you lose your job.

So my guess is this sounds great to you. It can be. If your company has reasonable expectations around quotas, you can make a lot of money without the aggravation. You will work longer hours because you will make additional money for everything you sell.

The downside is the stress caused by poor leadership and there is a lot of poor leadership. Companies fluctuate between reasonable expectations and stretch goals. If you get new leadership that wants to show the board that they can maximize sales, you get unreasonable goals and a lot of turnover. It is a cycle. They go for the stretch goals, most people don't make them the first year, and anyone who did make their goal fails the second year. Again, a lot of turnover and then the goals get normalized again because the reps with the connections and relationships move on to other companies.

What this means to you is you will have a few good years with a company, then someone will make bad decisions. You then leave to find a new job that is good for a few years and repeat.

Compare that with Pharma. Lots of BS metrics and manager time, but not a lot of accountability. You guys have to worry about layoffs, but mostly your job is safe if you stay in the middle of the pack. Lots of excuses that are usually valid around formulary, etc. so it is harder to get fired. The job is mind numbing, but not difficult and much lower stress.

Last point - The older you get the less likely you will make a positive change. Companies have a preference for young reps. They think they are more energetic and work harder. I find the opposite. I have sold and managed on both sides, and will take an experienced rep with market knowledge and relationships with key players every time. Unfortunately that is not the norm. The older you get the less likely you are to get hired, so when the next set of stretch goals comes out, it can really mess with your world.
What a moron.
 








Just get out of selling.

It is a terrible career choice.

You will understand when you become smarter. You are not there yet. The vets here know it is a bad job. Unfortunately, about 98 percent of the posters here are dummies, so you are not going to learn a thing. Most are terrible at sales. Most are terrible at life. No clue.
 








The stress from this job will hit you hard at about 40...and getting into this job will take at least 10 years off of your life, when you consider the day to day pressure from incompetent management, terrible doctors, and rude front office cows.

The move to make is to quit asap, and start a small business OR to teach. I would only teach if you are highly intelligent or have very good social skills. The key to being a good teacher is communication. And I think most sales people are good at that, and would make excellent teachers.
I worked in pharma sales for 30 year from age 28-58. I sold for Marion Labs....Parke-Davis....AstraZeneca....all were great to work for. Plus, I could see almost all my docs.....I also made a lot of $$$...and it was fun. I probably did over 2,000 lunch & learns over the years.
But, today...esp...after Covid...my friends says it really stinks...plus some of my docs still call me and complain about everything.
Made many good friends, and I had a good time.
 








I worked in pharma sales for 30 year from age 28-58. I sold for Marion Labs....Parke-Davis....AstraZeneca....all were great to work for. Plus, I could see almost all my docs.....I also made a lot of $$$...and it was fun. I probably did over 2,000 lunch & learns over the years.
But, today...esp...after Covid...my friends says it really stinks...plus some of my docs still call me and complain about everything.
Made many good friends, and I had a good time.
Lunch and Learns.

Great.

So, these doctors go to school for 12 years to learn from a toolbox with a 4 year degree in basket weaving.

Well, I transitioned into adult entertainment, and it was a perfect fit.
 








The crickets from this post are so telling.

You not only stink at selling (most of you, 98%), but you suck at life.

And, you clearly can't articulate any reason why people are in this corrupt industry outside of earning fake money. I wish I was not so far ahead of you NPC fools in my thinking, but it is what it is.

Having to put up with you people is beyond my imagination. No wonder I bought 20 acres in the forest, to get away from you miserable people, doctors too. All of you are seriously stupid and lacking any type of critical thinking or intelligence.
 








The reality of this question is depressing.

I got out after 15 years in 2008, actually laid off and made the decision not to try to get back in. I ended up in the Device and SaaS businesses.

The good news is other sales jobs care about how much you sell not the BS that the Pharma business constantly asked for. There are no ride alongs with your manager, few reports to submit and all of the crazy metrics that guide Pharma life don't exist. If you sell, you keep your job. If you don't, you lose your job.

So my guess is this sounds great to you. It can be. If your company has reasonable expectations around quotas, you can make a lot of money without the aggravation. You will work longer hours because you will make additional money for everything you sell.

The downside is the stress caused by poor leadership and there is a lot of poor leadership. Companies fluctuate between reasonable expectations and stretch goals. If you get new leadership that wants to show the board that they can maximize sales, you get unreasonable goals and a lot of turnover. It is a cycle. They go for the stretch goals, most people don't make them the first year, and anyone who did make their goal fails the second year. Again, a lot of turnover and then the goals get normalized again because the reps with the connections and relationships move on to other companies.

What this means to you is you will have a few good years with a company, then someone will make bad decisions. You then leave to find a new job that is good for a few years and repeat.

Compare that with Pharma. Lots of BS metrics and manager time, but not a lot of accountability. You guys have to worry about layoffs, but mostly your job is safe if you stay in the middle of the pack. Lots of excuses that are usually valid around formulary, etc. so it is harder to get fired. The job is mind numbing, but not difficult and much lower stress.

Last point - The older you get the less likely you will make a positive change. Companies have a preference for young reps. They think they are more energetic and work harder. I find the opposite. I have sold and managed on both sides, and will take an experienced rep with market knowledge and relationships with key players every time. Unfortunately that is not the norm. The older you get the less likely you are to get hired, so when the next set of stretch goals comes out, it can really mess with your world.
Great post
 
















Teacher.
Making slightly over 100K, with another 50K in benefits.
My healthcare insurance is the best in the county.
My pension is the best in the county.
I work 190 days, with 10 sick days.
Life is good.
Don't mess the corruption of pharmaceutical or corporate world.
I do feel sorry for most of you as well, because you are in a bad spot for the most part, selling garbage and dealing with micromanagement, and downsizings, and awful office cows, and stupid doctors.
good luck.
 








Teacher.
Making slightly over 100K, with another 50K in benefits.
My healthcare insurance is the best in the county.
My pension is the best in the county.
I work 190 days, with 10 sick days.
Life is good.
Don't mess the corruption of pharmaceutical or corporate world.
I do feel sorry for most of you as well, because you are in a bad spot for the most part, selling garbage and dealing with micromanagement, and downsizings, and awful office cows, and stupid doctors.
good luck.
Teachers are losers, no one respects you