Thinking of leaving J&J

[Anonymous]

JNJ shows how much they care about the people in this organization by paying them handsomely, giving premium benefits, and keeping them employed. Too many employees here expect to be thanked and praised daily for just showing up to work. They want their paychecks delivered to them on a silver platter with weekly parties and gifts to bolster their morale. I have too many of you crybabies reporting to me and your greed and entitlement is pathetic. The world and economy are in shambles and JNJ hasn't fared too well this past year. Be thankful you are still employed. Tool.

Not really. Most of us just want to be treated like adults bringing in the $$ from the Million-plus territories that we operate.

 

[Anonymous]

Who could blame them? At least if we had some leadership that actually seemed like they cared about the people in the organization the morale would be different. Instead people around here get lied to about layoffs right up until the night before and when the bonus multiplier comes out and we lose 10%, our good ol'CEO only gets his overall comp cut by 7% to the tune of 28.7 million. So tell me asshole, what should this person offer to help do their part?

Well, ASSHOLE, supporting their counterparts who are on the SAME TEAM would be a good start instead of shifting blame downward for the inadequacies at all levels. I hated this company as much as you do, but one thing that never occurred to me was to attack my co-workers. My thought was to band together and improve the situation. So, ASSHOLE, find someone else to bitch to, as I already get it. But, I won't be a part of any organization that comprised of individuals that want want to take each other down as a result of their own frustration.

 

[Anonymous]

So fed up with the field reps and managers who complain about what's been taken away from them instead of being grateful for all they have here. JnJ has taken a major hit this past year. Bonuses are based upon the company's performance and obviously the bonuses will be reduced this year with the problems going on at most of JnJ's operating companies including the consumer, pharma, surgicals, biotech, and device divisions. Many of us here don't get any type of bonus incentives to work hard so we are taking note where there's room for improvement within the company and making recommendations. That's because our "bonus" comes along only when the stock does well. Every meeting all I hear is complaining and whining among the reps and managers about the most trivial things like how their phone budget was reduced by $5 a month. Guess reps and managers are oblivious to the fact that most people (including your supportive HO colleagues who you take for granted, think you're better than, and don't appreciate) pay for their cell phones and other business expenses with their own money. If you don't like what you're getting here (which is most likely more than you deserve for what you actually do) then stop complaining and just leave and let an appreciative person take your place. Good riddance to bad rubbish in the field.

 

[Anonymous]

So fed up with the field reps and managers who complain about what's been taken away from them instead of being grateful for all they have here. JnJ has taken a major hit this past year. Bonuses are based upon the company's performance and obviously the bonuses will be reduced this year with the problems going on at most of JnJ's operating companies including the consumer, pharma, surgicals, biotech, and device divisions. Many of your coworkers here don't get any type of bonus incentives to work hard so we are taking note where there's room for improvement within the company and making recommendations. That's because our "bonus" comes along only when the stock does well. Every meeting all I hear is complaining and whining among the reps and managers about the most trivial things like how their phone budget was reduced by $5 a month. Guess reps and managers are oblivious to the fact that most people (including your supportive HO colleagues who you take for granted, think you're better than, and don't appreciate) pay for their cell phones and other business expenses with their own money. If you don't like what you're getting here (which is most likely more than you deserve for what you actually do) then stop complaining and just leave and let an appreciative person take your place. Good riddance to bad rubbish in the field.

 

[Anonymous]

Well, ASSHOLE, supporting their counterparts who are on the SAME TEAM would be a good start instead of shifting blame downward for the inadequacies at all levels. I hated this company as much as you do, but one thing that never occurred to me was to attack my co-workers. My thought was to band together and improve the situation. So, ASSHOLE, find someone else to bitch to, as I already get it. But, I won't be a part of any organization that comprised of individuals that want want to take each other down as a result of their own frustration.

Don't waste your breathe trying to knock common sense and gratitude into greedy field-based coworkers. They make really good salaries for what they do and don't appreciate what the company still gives them in this recession. There's no access anymore and prescribers are dictated by managed care, reimbursement, and administration in which drugs they use. Yet field-based people are still delusional and narcissistic enough to think that they are solely responsible for the success of "million-plus territories" that their lazy selves don't even visit more than two times a week. And those rare suited field appearances only occur the days that their wife isn't using the company car for errands to the mall or husband isn't using to coach the little league team at 2:30. They take everything they get from the company and everyone here who helps them do their job well for granted. It takes an army here to help the reps and managers sell the products to customers. They can at least be grateful for what they have that others in the company aren't getting. Instead they keep complaining about little things like the price of their company car usage going up $10 a month from last year and that their budget for paper clips was minimized last week. How horrible to think that they might actually have to pay for products they use for their own use like the rest of the world. They should be grateful for what jnj is still generously giving them in spite of the hard times the company is facing. Before you tell me that I'm jealous because I would never make it in sales you should know I have been in and out of field-based positions for years based upon my desire to work at various positions and divisions at jnj. This is a good company compared to others in the industry and people here need to stop complaining so we can all work together as a team.

 

[Anonymous]

So fed up with the field reps and managers who complain about what's been taken away from them instead of being grateful for all they have here. JnJ has taken a major hit this past year. Bonuses are based upon the company's performance and obviously the bonuses will be reduced this year with the problems going on at most of JnJ's operating companies including the consumer, pharma, surgicals, biotech, and device divisions. Many of us here don't get any type of bonus incentives to work hard so we are taking note where there's room for improvement within the company and making recommendations. That's because our "bonus" comes along only when the stock does well. Every meeting all I hear is complaining and whining among the reps and managers about the most trivial things like how their phone budget was reduced by $5 a month. Guess reps and managers are oblivious to the fact that most people (including your supportive HO colleagues who you take for granted, think you're better than, and don't appreciate) pay for their cell phones and other business expenses with their own money. If you don't like what you're getting here (which is most likely more than you deserve for what you actually do) then stop complaining and just leave and let an appreciative person take your place. Good riddance to bad rubbish in the field.

You (and others) have missed the whole point to the argument. $5 deducted for a cell phone is not the problem, neither is the 10% reduction of bonus (even to the people who exceeded their expectations, as opposed to "met during a difficult year." ) But, when you add evreything up and look at all of the trusted, well performing colleagues who have been forced to lose their jobs because of bad leadership decisions, it reaches a boiling point. I have been part of J&J as an employee and shareholder for 20 years and have seen this once great company go down miserably. I'm not looking for anything other than our leaders being held accountable for their decisions that put us here and it all starts with the chairman and his board of cronies.

 

[Anonymous]

Don't waste your breathe trying to knock common sense and gratitude into greedy field-based coworkers. They make really good salaries for what they do and don't appreciate what the company still gives them in this recession. There's no access anymore and prescribers are dictated by managed care, reimbursement, and administration in which drugs they use. Yet field-based people are still delusional and narcissistic enough to think that they are solely responsible for the success of "million-plus territories" that their lazy selves don't even visit more than two times a week. And those rare suited field appearances only occur the days that their wife isn't using the company car for errands to the mall or husband isn't using to coach the little league team at 2:30. They take everything they get from the company and everyone here who helps them do their job well for granted. It takes an army here to help the reps and managers sell the products to customers. They can at least be grateful for what they have that others in the company aren't getting. Instead they keep complaining about little things like the price of their company car usage going up $10 a month from last year and that their budget for paper clips was minimized last week. How horrible to think that they might actually have to pay for products they use for their own use like the rest of the world. They should be grateful for what jnj is still generously giving them in spite of the hard times the company is facing. Before you tell me that I'm jealous because I would never make it in sales you should know I have been in and out of field-based positions for years based upon my desire to work at various positions and divisions at jnj. This is a good company compared to others in the industry and people here need to stop complaining so we can all work together as a team.

Yet it is the greedy field reps that drive the top line sales which are then squandered by bad decisions and supporting overhead like yourself who think they can run this company and provide all it needs to be sustainable, yet have no appreciation or respect for that matter for the people who engage the end user (i.e. the customer) I've worked in house and laugh every time some home office lifer thinks they know whats best out there yet have no insight what-so-ever to what the field needs or what the customer is asking for.

Another one preaching from his/her cubicle. Keep looking at those spread sheets and finding more cost reductions, just so long as it doesn't effect your livelihood. Considering you contribute nothing to the forecast you can be happy that you are saving us right out of business. Nice work!

 

[Anonymous]

HO here and after attending all these meetings for years have come to some conclusions. JnJ needs to clean house of slackers and place new managers from other jnj op companies in charge of every district. Jnj does not take advantage of its talent and keeps managers at the same company for years where they and their underlings get complacent and bored. This complacency should not be tolerated any longer particularly since there are so many talented, experienced, and qualified reps and managers in the industry who have been laid off due to the recession. So many of the tenured higher paid reps and managers here think that just because the have been at the same company for so many years that gives them license to not work hard anymore. The truth is that 95% of the tenured reps and managers at jnj today are plain lazy, aren't worth their high salaries, and need to be held accountable and let go if they are not performing. New blood in management and the field is the answer.

There are still some excellent tenured reps who are very hardworking. Unfortunately the majority of experienced reps in the industry are resentful that they are expected to actually continue to work as hard as they did in their youth. It is all too obvious that many people here think that because they paid their dues to the industry years ago that coasting and slacking off should be acceptable. My observation is that the majority of the more tenured reps resist any type of change which may involve technological advancements, additional calls to new customer specialties or retail pharmacies, training on new products and disease states, or any new marketing program to help bolster sales. Instead of embracing new advancements and opportunities they balk at any additional expectations that may come their way. That does not go unnoticed by the people whose job is to support the sales reps and managers and ultimately increase product sales.

 

[Anonymous]

There are still some excellent tenured reps who are very hardworking. Unfortunately the majority of experienced reps in the industry are resentful that they are expected to actually continue to work as hard as they did in their youth. It is all too obvious that many people here think that because they paid their dues to the industry years ago that coasting and slacking off should be acceptable. My observation is that the majority of the more tenured reps resist any type of change which may involve technological advancements, additional calls to new customer specialties or retail pharmacies, training on new products and disease states, or any new marketing program to help bolster sales. Instead of embracing new advancements and opportunities they balk at any additional expectations that may come their way. That does not go unnoticed by the people whose job is to support the sales reps and managers and ultimately increase product sales.

We in managment realize this and a plan is already underway to start getting rid of the old reps and replacing them with new younger ones. If you are under 45 you have nothing to worry about, so don't worry because I fall in that category too. There are so many things to get the older reps on so they don't go crying age discrimination. If we fire them for not working a full day and they whine that most younger reps don't work a full day too then we can get them by saying "Oh so your admitting that you don't always work full days." It will be easy to find ways to get them. I have reps on my team who can't wait to help with this. This company needs to move forward and we can't do it with this many old reps.

 

[Anonymous]

Most states are at will employers so anyone can legitimately be fired for anything at anytime. They can try to cry discrimination or reverse discrimination but they'll just be wasting their time. Employees can't win against corporations like jnj. Best to just move on.

 

[Anonymous]

Most states are at will employers so anyone can legitimately be fired for anything at anytime. They can try to cry discrimination or reverse discrimination but they'll just be wasting their time. Employees can't win against corporations like jnj. Best to just move on.

Sorry but thats just not true. In fact, what the legal team will do if you bring a suit up against the company, they determine how much it will cost them to defend it and then usually settle for an amount less than that estimate. Especially if you are let go for some bullshit reason. And lately they will terminate with no severance. They usually don't stay that way for long and people get some settlement.

So if you want to wave your "credo flag" and think that J&J is so great, make sure you know what you're talking about.

 

[Anonymous]

As a Quintiles Rep now on contract with J&J, I am hoping that the J&J Management team will take notice of our efforts, performance, and relationships in the field and extend any offers for permanent employment to those of us who you feel would be a good addition to your team.

 

[Anonymous]

I've worked in HO for big pharma in marketing for another big pharma company as well as jnj now. It's sad how sales reps and managers have no respect for their HO colleagues and all the work that goes into supporting them day in and day out. There is such resistance from the field in utilizing new programs, technology, training, and new methods in order to helpt them increase sales. So few of the reps and managers actually use the tools that we research and provide for them and say they don't work WITHOUT EVEN TRYING OR USING THEM ONCE. We know which reps and managers utilize programs and tools since everything is tracked and monitored. It is true that the most tenured and experienced reps don't even bother ordering anything from sales supply or do any type of programs AT ALL. I don't know how their managers let them get away with it when their sales aren't up to par either. Truth is the majority of the usage in the field comes from the college overhire or less experienced reps as well as just a handful of tenured reps who know that we offer these tools because they are PROVEN to bring ROI if used with the right customer. It's funny how the same rep names keep popping up with every report of various program utilization and really try to apply them in the field. We know not everything is going to work with every customer. So many of the more experienced tenured reps never even order anything and ALWAYS complain whenever a new program or tool for them is presented at a meeting. They resist any type of evolution in their job or change for the better. As far as I'm concerned seeing the utlization reports is proof as far as who's really trying their hardest and working out there and who is coasting and just going through the motions. And ordering the items and throwing them out upon receipt doesn't fool us in the HO. We know who is really working and doing their job in the field and who's slacking and full of it at meetings.

 

[Anonymous]

Got "laid off" did you?

Perhaps if you had actually been any good you would still be in the business showing us slackers how's it's done.

Nope, never got " laid off", "downsized", "redeployed", or "fired" from any of my positions in the business. Still working in the home office supporting the field. Still attending every meeting where the reps and managers put up a good show when the meetings are in session and upper brass is around. Still hearing them say what they really think and actually do when they think no one is listening or watching them. Everyone in the field really needs to stay away from the alcohol at meetings, watch their sidebar conversations and big arrogant mouths if they want to continued to be "employed" here. Can't believe most of you people represent jnj to the customers.

 

[Anonymous]

Dude leave the old fogeys and slackers alone. They always make me look like the superstar I am without doing squat besides playing poker with my docs one friday night a month and shopping for my new boat. Lol. Get ready to clap hard for me when I win the big prize this year.

 

[Anonymous]

Seems like the squares in the HO really need to have a drink at the next company meeting with all us field based alcoholic slackers at the hotel bar.

 

[Anonymous]

Much of the criticism towards todays sales rep and dm positions and the ineffectiveness of what the jobs really are in this age of managed care and healthcare reform is valid and honest. Pharmaceutical rep and dm jobs today are not what they used to be over twenty years ago. Blame Pfizer and the salesrep pod explosion for the problem, but the industry needs to be streamlined again. All companies in the industry (including J&J) are now trying to get back towards that traditional model of pharma and biotech sales because they realize it was the ideal standard and worked. Layoffs, downsizings, larger sales territories, and the return of reps and dms having both scientific backgrounds and business skills is going to be the norm until the massive herd in the field is right-sized again. Sorry if that bothers some of you here but blame the greedy big pharma ceos who have only been thinking of their own personal short-term gains and not the company's long-term forecast.

 

[adam.]

I've been with the company 12 years and I'm thinking of leaving J&J.

Not immediately, but I'm looking ahead and I don't like what I see. It's painful now as we all know but without a change of exec leadership and a serious cultural shift back to values, vision and investment, then I'm afraid I see J&J languishing with all the other also-rans for a long time yet. Life is too short to P about waiting for this lot to stop feathering their own nests and sending internal emails about ‘global giving’ or some other smoke-and-mirror propaganda to cover up the incompetence and dishonesty.

Who has left, and where did you go, what type of company/industry etc?

Thanks.

I was fired 2 days ago from JJ after almost 12 years of work...

 

[anonymous]

I was fired 2 days ago from JJ after almost 12 years of work...

Fired or laid off? Which business? where are you located?

 

[anonymous]

I've been with the company 12 years and I'm thinking of leaving J&J.

Not immediately, but I'm looking ahead and I don't like what I see. It's painful now as we all know but without a change of exec leadership and a serious cultural shift back to values, vision and investment, then I'm afraid I see J&J languishing with all the other also-rans for a long time yet. Life is too short to P about waiting for this lot to stop feathering their own nests and sending internal emails about ‘global giving’ or some other smoke-and-mirror propaganda to cover up the incompetence and dishonesty.

Who has left, and where did you go, what type of company/industry etc?

Thanks.

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