Thinking of leaving J&J

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I've been with the company 12 years and I'm thinking of leaving J&J.

Not immediately, but I'm looking ahead and I don't like what I see. It's painful now as we all know but without a change of exec leadership and a serious cultural shift back to values, vision and investment, then I'm afraid I see J&J languishing with all the other also-rans for a long time yet. Life is too short to P about waiting for this lot to stop feathering their own nests and sending internal emails about ‘global giving’ or some other smoke-and-mirror propaganda to cover up the incompetence and dishonesty.

Who has left, and where did you go, what type of company/industry etc?

Thanks.
 






Anonymous said:
I've been with the company 12 years and I'm thinking of leaving J&J.

Not immediately, but I'm looking ahead and I don't like what I see. It's painful now as we all know but without a change of exec leadership and a serious cultural shift back to values, vision and investment, then I'm afraid I see J&J languishing with all the other also-rans for a long time yet. Life is too short to P about waiting for this lot to stop feathering their own nests and sending internal emails about ‘global giving’ or some other smoke-and-mirror propaganda to cover up the incompetence and dishonesty.

Who has left, and where did you go, what type of company/industry etc?

Thanks.
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Go and go at the first offer. Things will not change here anytime soon. Bill will announce his retirement in the next year or two and will most likely name Sherry McCoy as his successor leaving a legacy of promoting J&Js first female CEO. He will be globally recognized as a tireless promoter of diversity ("which makes us a stronger company" he says) and those left here will experience more of the same old same old. Sorry folks, but unless you are willing to ride it out for the pension and benefits (which are getting worse each year) the utopia you dream of getting back to will never materialize. J&J is changed for good and THAT's Bill's legacy.
 






Leave as fast as you can. There is nothing worth staying for at JnJ. There is a lot of deadwood staying around for the pension and for the opportunity to buy into JnJ healthcare. We see where this talent has taken JnJ. Odds are you will be able to make more money with a new growth oriented position than what you will get out of the 'pension' when you hit the age.

Jump now. Your food will taste better, the smile will return to your face and your outlook with improve considerably. I have experienced this wonderful feeling in 2011.
 






Dude .... if you are asking for advice here you are either fishing or very confused. GO SEE A PRIVATE CAREER COUNSELOR, COUCH, or pychologist to figure out what you want.

MANY of my colleagues have moved on to great jobes in the last year -- biotech, pharm, device, consulting, non-pharma.

Do not jump. Take your time, you still have a paycheck. You will find many companies will barely match your comp to change......choose your next job for growth, development, quality of life and fit with the corp. culture.


Look, plan and choose wisely. Oddly, JNJ on your resume is still valuable. Pharma jobs ARE OPENING UP in the industry. If you are good, you will have many choices in and out of pharma.
 






I left, came back was laid off twice. In total, I was with the company for 18 years.

I've been to three other major pharma companies (Merck, BMS and Wyeth). Eventually it's the same old thing. The company that I'm at now got rid of the pension and layoffs loom here too. Out of all of the companies that I've been to, I must say that J&J ranks at the top for me. If they could learn to function across the board and forget the family of companies, that may cut down on the restructuring/reorganizing. But it happens everywhere. Look out for your best interest, not the companies. Either way, if I had my choice I would have stayed at J&J.
 






Anonymous said:
I left, came back was laid off twice. In total, I was with the company for 18 years.

I've been to three other major pharma companies (Merck, BMS and Wyeth). Eventually it's the same old thing. The company that I'm at now got rid of the pension and layoffs loom here too. Out of all of the companies that I've been to, I must say that J&J ranks at the top for me. If they could learn to function across the board and forget the family of companies, that may cut down on the restructuring/reorganizing. But it happens everywhere. Look out for your best interest, not the companies. Either way, if I had my choice I would have stayed at J&J.
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JnJ pays much better than the other big pharma companies. JnJ hasn't taken away many of the major benefits like GSK, Merck, Pfizer, and BMS have so the employees still get the most here.
 






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JnJ pays much better than the other big pharma companies. JnJ hasn't taken away many of the major benefits like GSK, Merck, Pfizer, and BMS have so the employees still get the most here.
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Are you crazy? For a lifetime J&J has always maintained a strategy of being "middle of the road" when it comes to pay grades. Never the best, never the worst, just somewhere in the middle and they benchmark often to stay there. And as far as bene's go, they have gotten worse each and every year to the point where people in the insurance industry are surprised at what J&J is offering (in a negative way) How's that HRA account working out for ya', huh?
 






Anonymous said:
Are you crazy? For a lifetime J&J has always maintained a strategy of being "middle of the road" when it comes to pay grades. Never the best, never the worst, just somewhere in the middle and they benchmark often to stay there. And as far as bene's go, they have gotten worse each and every year to the point where people in the insurance industry are surprised at what J&J is offering (in a negative way) How's that HRA account working out for ya', huh?
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You obviously have no idea what benefits other companies like pfizer have already taken away from employees for good in the past two years. Jnj is most generous with their benefits. You just don't appreciate what you are still getting here in this recession.
 






I too have been laid off and re-hired by J&J more than once. The last time I decided to move on and look elsewhere. Now I work in a different industry. Salary and bonus are significantly higher, long term incentive compensation - no, pension plan - yes, but have to start all over, benefits - much more expensive.

I'm working harder, having more fun and getting better experience. Had I not been laid off, I would not have left. If I were offered my old job back, I would turn it down. If I were still at J&J, doing good work and basically OK with my boss ... I would stay.
 






You are wrong. I work for another company and have been considering JNJ for the past 2 months. I have conducted a side by side analysis of benefits. My current package for exceeds JNJ's by a long shot.

Anonymous said:
JnJ pays much better than the other big pharma companies. JnJ hasn't taken away many of the major benefits like GSK, Merck, Pfizer, and BMS have so the employees still get the most here.
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I left JnJ almost a year ago. Went to a much smaller company, much closer to home, less bureaucracy, and work that is much more meaningful to me in that I have a lot of ownership in setting the path forward and I see the results of my work (and see the benefit of what I've done for my new company). I did not take a pay cut although I do pay more in insurance benefits. But healthcare benefits are not a given in any job these days. JnJ can cut those benefits any time they wish, just like they cut our bonus levels the other year.
 






Anonymous said:
I've been with the company 12 years and I'm thinking of leaving J&J.
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Definitely look. But don't be surprised when one day you reflect on your days at J&J, not because of the wonderful management or your backstabbing colleagues, but how you wished you had more years in your pension plan. (no matter what the trolls say)
 






Anonymous said:
Definitely look. But don't be surprised when one day you reflect on your days at J&J, not because of the wonderful management or your backstabbing colleagues, but how you wished you had more years in your pension plan. (no matter what the trolls say)
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This is a true statement. I left after 17 years and while the payment will help, its not enough to live on. If you leave for a better opportunity and more money invest wisely. Sometimes these companies without pensions pay better and have better 401K matching than J&J. They also may have better stock performance unlike J&J where all you've made in 10 years is your dividend.
 






HO here and after attending all these meetings for years have come to some conclusions. JnJ needs to clean house of slackers and place new managers from other jnj op companies in charge of every district. Jnj does not take advantage of its talent and keeps managers at the same company for years where they and their underlings get complacent and bored. This complacency should not be tolerated any longer particularly since there are so many talented, experienced, and qualified reps and managers in the industry who have been laid off due to the recession. So many of the tenured higher paid reps and managers here think that just because the have been at the same company for so many years that gives them license to not work hard anymore. The truth is that 95% of the tenured reps and managers at jnj today are plain lazy, aren't worth their high salaries, and need to be held accountable and let go if they are not performing. New blood in management and the field is the answer.
 
























Why do pharmaceutical drug reps think this forum is only for them and other laid off reps? Everyone knows about cafepharma- managers, home office, physician customers, spouses, stock holders, day traders, confused patients, industry consultants, managed care reps, even the fda. Most people on this site have first hand knowledge of the industry in some shape and form and are entitled to their opinions. Particularly if they own stock in the company.
 






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So, your company is falling apart from the inside and out and, this is all you've got to offer? I guess doing your part to destroy morale is one option.
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Who could blame them? At least if we had some leadership that actually seemed like they cared about the people in the organization the morale would be different. Instead people around here get lied to about layoffs right up until the night before and when the bonus multiplier comes out and we lose 10%, our good ol'CEO only gets his overall comp cut by 7% to the tune of 28.7 million. So tell me asshole, what should this person offer to help do their part?
 






JNJ shows how much they care about the people in this organization by paying them handsomely, giving premium benefits, and keeping them employed. Too many employees here expect to be thanked and praised daily for just showing up to work. They want their paychecks delivered to them on a silver platter with weekly parties and gifts to bolster their morale. I have too many of you crybabies reporting to me and your greed and entitlement is pathetic. The world and economy are in shambles and JNJ hasn't fared too well this past year. Be thankful you are still employed. Tool.
 






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