The SCAM of Med D prescription Drug Plan

[Fleeced Consumer]

By the design of the program, the federal government is not permitted to negotiate prices of drugs with the drug companies, as federal agencies do in other programs. The Department of Veterans Affairs, which is allowed to negotiate drug prices and establish a formulary, pays 58% less for drugs, on average, than Medicare Part D For example, Medicare pays $785 for a year's supply of Lipitor (atorvastatin), while the VA pays $520.

Former Congressman Billy Tauzin, R-La., who steered the bill through the House, retired soon after and took a $2 million a year job as president of Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), the main industry lobbying group. Medicare boss Thomas Scully, who threatened to fire Medicare Chief Actuary Richard Foster if he reported how much the bill would actually cost, was negotiating for a new job as a pharmaceutical lobbyist as the bill was working through Congress. A total of 14 congressional aides quit their jobs to work for the drug and medical lobbies immediately after the bill's passage.

 

[Anonymous]

By the design of the program, the federal government is not permitted to negotiate prices of drugs with the drug companies, as federal agencies do in other programs. The Department of Veterans Affairs, which is allowed to negotiate drug prices and establish a formulary, pays 58% less for drugs, on average, than Medicare Part D For example, Medicare pays $785 for a year's supply of Lipitor (atorvastatin), while the VA pays $520.

Former Congressman Billy Tauzin, R-La., who steered the bill through the House, retired soon after and took a $2 million a year job as president of Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), the main industry lobbying group. Medicare boss Thomas Scully, who threatened to fire Medicare Chief Actuary Richard Foster if he reported how much the bill would actually cost, was negotiating for a new job as a pharmaceutical lobbyist as the bill was working through Congress. A total of 14 congressional aides quit their jobs to work for the drug and medical lobbies immediately after the bill's passage.

Give me ONE FUCKING EXAMPLE where government negotiates a better deal than the free market..... Just ONE EXAMPLE where government provides a BETTER, MORE COST EFFECTIVE product than the private market.

Med D sucks.... no doubt, but to act like the solution will come from government negotiating is a FUCKING JOKE. Med D sucks because of government involvement.... MORE GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT will NOT MAKE IT BETTER.

You are a HOPELESS DRONE.

 

[Anonymous]

By the design of the program, the federal government is not permitted to negotiate prices of drugs with the drug companies, as federal agencies do in other programs. The Department of Veterans Affairs, which is allowed to negotiate drug prices and establish a formulary, pays 58% less for drugs, on average, than Medicare Part D For example, Medicare pays $785 for a year's supply of Lipitor (atorvastatin), while the VA pays $520.

Former Congressman Billy Tauzin, R-La., who steered the bill through the House, retired soon after and took a $2 million a year job as president of Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), the main industry lobbying group. Medicare boss Thomas Scully, who threatened to fire Medicare Chief Actuary Richard Foster if he reported how much the bill would actually cost, was negotiating for a new job as a pharmaceutical lobbyist as the bill was working through Congress. A total of 14 congressional aides quit their jobs to work for the drug and medical lobbies immediately after the bill's passage.



1)Give me ONE FUCKING EXAMPLE where government negotiates a better deal than the free market.....
2) Med D sucks.... no doubt,
3)You are a HOPELESS DRONE.

1) Uh the VA negotiates a better deal than the not so free market

2) Agreeds MED D sucks due to shills like pharma lobby Billy Tauzin & minions like you

3) yes I am a voiceless drone however this voiceless drone will not rest until
re-importation & price negotiations are implemented
If you would like to resign your Pharma Lobby position & join me feel free
Save consumers & your parents /family 60% on medications & you will sleep better

Donations gladly accepted at the soon to be live
Citizens for Fair Drug Pricing PAC

So can I count on you for $500 - $1000 ????

 

[Anonymous]

Pharma costs consumers 50 BILLION annually with the re-importation & non negotiable pricing structure in medicare D.
It is a total scam for consumers & all the congressman & aids that supported this
fleecing job left to work as grossly overpaid pharma lobbyists
What does that tell you ????

 

[Anonymous]

Pharma costs consumers 50 BILLION annually with the re-importation & non negotiable pricing structure in medicare D.
It is a total scam for consumers & all the congressman & aids that supported this
fleecing job left to work as grossly overpaid pharma lobbyists
What does that tell you ????

Show me where those stats come from... how about government cleaning-up the $60 billion in annual medicare fraud?
Re-importation is NOT a long-term solution that will save $50 billion annually MORON.

 

[Anonymous]

State’s competitive bidding success a lesson for Feds

Minnesota’s two United States Senators, have made it clear that they will not hesitate in carrying the state’s best practice measures to the halls of Congress.

We hope they were listening and watching this fall as the state of Minnesota released what has to be considered good news. The news is in relation to a bold move by the Dayton Administration to embark on a competitive bidding process for insurers who want a share of the $4 billion annual business to pay for medical assistance costs for state residents.

It is now estimated that the state program will save upwards of $180 million in state taxpayer dollars over the next two years but without any cut in benefits or forcing most enrollees to change their medical providers.

It is also likely that the federal government will also see corresponding savings due to the fact that medical assistance for the most part is funded by both the state and the federal government. Gov. Mark Dayton has held true to his promise to seek reform with such health care initiatives and we applaud the work of his administration.

It makes sense at the state level and it makes minds wonder why it wasn’t tried much sooner.

It’s such plans and principles that can and should work at the national level, too, if only leaders there could be so driven.

In one specific case, the federal government is now projecting that the Medicare Part D prescription drug program will run an unfunded deficit of $700 billion in its first 10 years, according to estimates. Medicare Part D was passed by a Republican-controlled Congress in 2003 and signed into law by President George W. Bush. Under the 2003 legislation, Medicare is not allowed to negotiate drug prices with manufacturers.


More shrinking needs to be done and that can come through competitive bidding and/or outright negotiations with the large pharmaceutical companies, or by looking at reform that would allow the importation and reimportation of prescription drugs. Both could be considered competition to the current system

 

[Anonymous]

Here's what corporate welfare profit protection enjoyed by pharma does for society
(beside kill patients & fleece billions from the public) :

A)The pharmaceutical sector had the dubious honor of topping all others when it came to U.S. job cuts in 2010. Outplacement company Challenger, Gray & Christmas reports that, of the roughly 530,000 jobs eliminated in this country last year, nearly 54,000 were at pharmaceutical firms. Another 28,000 were announced in the health care/products sector.

B)That may sound rough, but things were even worse in 2009. Pharmaceutical companies were responsible for about 61,000 of the 1.29 million layoffs announced that year.

Pharmaceuticals also announced very little hiring in 2010 -- less than 2,000 jobs. The flip side is the retail sector, which Challenger says announced about 203,000 additional jobs last year and the transportation sector, which added nearly 64,000 new jobs.

As the chart shows, the number of layoffs in the pharmaceutical industry rose sharply over the past five years as companies restructured. And a spokesman for Challenger acknowledges that, even though layoffs dropped in 2010, they were still relatively heavy

 

[Anonymous]

1) Uh the VA negotiates a better deal than the not so free market

2) Agreeds MED D sucks due to shills like pharma lobby Billy Tauzin & minions like you

3) yes I am a voiceless drone however this voiceless drone will not rest until
re-importation & price negotiations are implemented
If you would like to resign your Pharma Lobby position & join me feel free
Save consumers & your parents /family 60% on medications & you will sleep better

Donations gladly accepted at the soon to be live
Citizens for Fair Drug Pricing PAC

So can I count on you for $500 - $1000 ????

Good, support re-importation...I hope the first lead-laced pill from China goes to you, you whiny fuck.

 

[Anonymous]

Good, support re-importation...I hope the first lead-laced pill from China goes to you, you whiny fuck.

as opposed to the dirty filthy contaminated Novartis mfg facilities cited multiple time for violations by the FDA which have routinely caused patient deaths

at least in China when mgmnt fucks up they give you the option of hari kari or a bullet in the head

imagine if that was a novartis option , 90% of current mgmnt would be long gone

 

[Anonymous]

Good, support re-importation...I hope the first lead-laced pill from China goes to you, you whiny fuck.

HEY r***** IF IT IS LEAD LACED IT WILL BE FROM NOVARTIS & THEIR DIRTY FDA FINED FACILITIES

Novartis announces USD 1 billion investment to build largest pharmaceutical R&D institute in China
Novartis Institute of BioMedical Research in Shanghai, an integral part of the Novartis global R&D network worldwide, to rank third largest for Novartis worldwide
Additional USD 250 million invested in advanced technical R&D and manufacturing facility opening in Changshu, furthering economic development of Jiangsu province and Suzhou city

 

[Anonymous]

HEY r***** IF IT IS LEAD LACED IT WILL BE FROM NOVARTIS & THEIR DIRTY FDA FINED FACILITIES

Novartis announces USD 1 billion investment to build largest pharmaceutical R&D institute in China
Novartis Institute of BioMedical Research in Shanghai, an integral part of the Novartis global R&D network worldwide, to rank third largest for Novartis worldwide
Additional USD 250 million invested in advanced technical R&D and manufacturing facility opening in Changshu, furthering economic development of Jiangsu province and Suzhou city

Hey REEEEEEEEEEETAAAAAARRRRRRRD!!!!!!!!!!! Go Fuck yourself! Ever hear of counterfeit medications? With re-importation the control that this country will have over counterfeit meds will be almost zero. So YES!! Take the first counterfeit pill yourself AND CHOKE ON IT YOU WORTHLESS INANE DRONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Anonymous]

Hey REEEEEEEEEEETAAAAAARRRRRRRD!!!!!!!!!!! Go Fuck yourself! Ever hear of counterfeit medications? With re-importation the control that this country will have over counterfeit meds will be almost zero. So YES!! Take the first counterfeit pill yourself AND CHOKE ON IT YOU WORTHLESS INANE DRONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with you, but you MUST understand these r*****s motivation. They don't care about couterfeits, they don't care about quality of healthcare, ALL they care about is trying to financially hurt somebody who makes more money than they do. In their dellusional minds they think that if they are jealous enough and envious enough that they might be able to bring down "rich" people. What they are too stupid to understand is that their plans will NOT improve their own lives what-so-ever.... it will just bring down the quality of life for everyone. Everyone will be equally miserable. They are MORONS.

 

[Anonymous]

I agree with you, but you MUST understand these r*****s motivation. They don't care about couterfeits, they don't care about quality of healthcare, ALL they care about is trying to financially hurt somebody who makes more money than they do. In their dellusional minds they think that if they are jealous enough and envious enough that they might be able to bring down "rich" people. What they are too stupid to understand is that their plans will NOT improve their own lives what-so-ever.... it will just bring down the quality of life for everyone. Everyone will be equally miserable. They are MORONS.

A) stop replying to yourself dunce
B) take up your xenophobia with novartis , they're comfortable with a BILLION
investment in China & yet the public is supposed to be "afraid" of the meds coming out of there

Use your scare tactics with your pharma lobbying minions
you've lost this argument & you are a bona fide asshole to boot
dickhead

 

[Anonymous]

A) stop replying to yourself dunce
B) take up your xenophobia with novartis , they're comfortable with a BILLION
investment in China & yet the public is supposed to be "afraid" of the meds coming out of there

Use your scare tactics with your pharma lobbying minions
you've lost this argument & you are a bona fide asshole to boot
dickhead

You don't even know or understand the argument.... all you care about is taking money away from people who make more than you with the hope that it might somehow enrich your own life. IT WON'T.

 

[Anonymous]

You don't even know or understand the argument.... all you care about is taking money away from people who make more than you with the hope that it might somehow enrich your own life. IT WON'T.

All you care about is Novartis taking money from fixed income seniors mainly & building monuments to the pharaoh vazella while poisoning patients & screwing their own employees

You think shilling for pharma's ill gotten billions might enrich your own life IT WONT.

Americans are fed up with the pharma screw job that is why you need to contribute to the
citizens for fair drug pricing PAC

Can I put you down for $50 cheap ass ?

 

[Anonymous]

Med D is funded by the pharma companies, right?

 

[Anonymous]

All you care about is Novartis taking money from fixed income seniors mainly & building monuments to the pharaoh vazella while poisoning patients & screwing their own employees

You think shilling for pharma's ill gotten billions might enrich your own life IT WONT.

Americans are fed up with the pharma screw job that is why you need to contribute to the
citizens for fair drug pricing PAC

Can I put you down for $50 cheap ass ?

You are still ignoring the fact that the pharmaceutical industry agreed to contribute $80 billion to help close the doughnut hole for seniors..... but it still ain't enough for you socialists, is it? You still can't stand the fact that someone makes more money than you, can you? I can't imagine how awful it must be to live with that much jealousy and envy.... you people are pathetic.

 

[Anonymous]

You are still ignoring the fact that the pharmaceutical industry agreed to contribute $80 billion to help close the doughnut hole for seniors..... but it still ain't enough for you socialists, is it? You still can't stand the fact that someone makes more money than you, can you? I can't imagine how awful it must be to live with that much jealousy and envy.... you people are pathetic.

I'm still waiting for a link / proof that they have actually contributed any amount
above ZERO .

Chirp Chirp Chirp , that's the sound of crickets while you come up with another
'clever' retort

 

[Anonymous]

I'm still waiting for a link / proof that they have actually contributed any amount
above ZERO .

Chirp Chirp Chirp , that's the sound of crickets while you come up with another
'clever' retort

Here are 7 links confirming the $80 billion "FLEECING" of Pharmaceutical companies by the US Government.... This is COMMON KNOWLEDGE MORON.
Are you also a Holocaust Denier?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/22/AR2009062200349.html

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/21/nation/na-healthcare21

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/policy/06insure.html

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/health/jan-june09/pharma_06-22.html

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs...billion-discount-drug-offer-is-just-a-smidgen

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31464689/ns/politics-white_house/

http://www.mcknights.com/pharmaceut...-medicare-part-d-drug-program/article/138876/

 

[Anonymous]

Here are 7 links confirming the $80 billion "FLEECING" of Pharmaceutical companies by the US Government.... This is COMMON KNOWLEDGE MORON.

You are not very bright are you ????? Let me ask you one more time & let's see if you can figure this out. Promises & agreements are like assholes , everyone has one (in your case several)
SHOW ME WHERE AN ACTUAL TRANSFER OF MONEY FROM THE BANK ACCOUNTS OF ANY PHARMA COMPANY HAS ACTUALLY TRANSPIRED . THEY HAVE CONTRIBUTED 2 THINGS SO FAR . JACK & SHIT (same as your knowledge base)

In fact novartis doesn't even pay it's own current obligations !
http://www.cafepharma.com/boards/showthread.php?t=486017

Here's what the facts are. Before pharma EVER "contributes" (LOL!!)
80 billion to ANYTHING , they will jack the prices up about 90 Billion
for a net positive 10 billion . The standard Pharma M.O.

Fucking clown , go hang yourself for your unbridled stupidity