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Poster #19 is spot on. If you have never sold in a commission only position, you have no idea what a "true" sales position is about. I have done both, business to business sales for 10 years, then luckily made it in to pharma. It was like heaven to come into pharma after a commission - only, no car allowance, no gas allowance job, where I made over 100K a year, and knew every day that it was ME who moved the needle and made every cent I earned.
I'm not complaining - this has been the greatest gig in the world - but I am GRATEFUL for it because I KNOW how hard a "true" sales job is. Those who started their career in pharma are lucky as heck, but they don't have a clue how easy it is compared to other sales positions.
 








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I don't get it? Why do these people "fight" on this site? Makes no sense to me. All this anger over nothing. I doubt if any territory can make seven real calls day. Hell maybe there are a few somewhere. Who cares? Nothing about AZ or this job should raise your blood pressure one point. This is just a job where we make believe we sell, You think you sell you are kidding yourself. Now if you really believe you can sell go into a commission only gig where the income is not capped. Those successful people make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Oh? That's not you? You like the "comfort" of this job? Then in so many words....you don't sell.
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I sell my manager on thinking that I can actually sell. Truthfully, I fuck around most days. I watch Netflix on my personal IPad during my 3 hour lunch breaks. I nap occasionally too.
 




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Snowflake if you could sell go into real estate where you can make five times what you are making here. You THINK you can sell a big difference.
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That is not true. We have it WAY better than most real estate agents. If you are so smart, you go be a real estate agent. You will work nights and weekends, driving your own car and paying sky high prices for health insurance.
 




anonymous said:
I don't get it? Why do these people "fight" on this site? Makes no sense to me. All this anger over nothing. I doubt if any territory can make seven real calls day. Hell maybe there are a few somewhere. Who cares? Nothing about AZ or this job should raise your blood pressure one point. This is just a job where we make believe we sell, You think you sell you are kidding yourself. Now if you really believe you can sell go into a commission only gig where the income is not capped. Those successful people make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Oh? That's not you? You like the "comfort" of this job? Then in so many words....you don't sell.
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Are you fucking kidding me, what a fucking idiot to post something like that!!! What rock did you crawl out from, get off you high and mighty perch and shut the fuck up. My god, are you that ugly and insecure that you don’t have the guts to go out and find a “job” you expect others to apply for and preach to US. People like you need to go jump in front of a high speed train and end it all so we don’t have to put up with you...
 








As drug reps, we sell.
We sell everyone we interact with everyday regarding what utter bull shit this job is.
Nobody, I mean nobody, is making (pre COVID) the required calls. Today (post COVID) we lie to a far greater extent.
We might make 2 actual calls a week in this job, the remainder of our activity is centered around putting miles on company vehicle, catering Panera for a group of over weight clinic staff, passing our iPad back for a signature, attending conference calls and SELLING our people that we are working. Let’s just tell the truth, it’s a facade. It does not really matter if we acknowledge that on this board because AZ already knows it, to do anything about it would result in management managing themselves out of a job.
So, we do sell.
Straight commission jobs suck. Those people can’t sell the lie that is our job. Most never make any money and the few that do work hard (much harder than we do) and have all sorts of expenses that come out of that check—-no thanks.
I don’t mind lying, I like sleeping until 830 and driving around. I go to the gym, get my errands done, stop at the grocery and occasionally stop at a couple clinics. If I can grab a signature and get gas, hell that’s a successful day..
I’m living the lie and I love it.
 




anonymous said:
As drug reps, we sell.
We sell everyone we interact with everyday regarding what utter bull shit this job is.
Nobody, I mean nobody, is making (pre COVID) the required calls. Today (post COVID) we lie to a far greater extent.
We might make 2 actual calls a week in this job, the remainder of our activity is centered around putting miles on company vehicle, catering Panera for a group of over weight clinic staff, passing our iPad back for a signature, attending conference calls and SELLING our people that we are working. Let’s just tell the truth, it’s a facade. It does not really matter if we acknowledge that on this board because AZ already knows it, to do anything about it would result in management managing themselves out of a job.
So, we do sell.
Straight commission jobs suck. Those people can’t sell the lie that is our job. Most never make any money and the few that do work hard (much harder than we do) and have all sorts of expenses that come out of that check—-no thanks.
I don’t mind lying, I like sleeping until 830 and driving around. I go to the gym, get my errands done, stop at the grocery and occasionally stop at a couple clinics. If I can grab a signature and get gas, hell that’s a successful day..
I’m living the lie and I love it.
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I have to congratulate the author of the above post. I for one have always thought we did not sell. However the above post has made me reconsider this position. Hot damn!! I do sell! I sell my idiot manager that I am enthusiastic about the job. I sell myself at meetings showing that I believe in the latest bullshit. I sell to my partners that I work all the time. I sell myself to the fat hogs in offices that I like them as they shovel food into their bellies. I sell that my reported calls are real. Well now I can stand tall and call myself a salesman!
 




anonymous said:
Are you fucking kidding me, what a fucking idiot to post something like that!!! What rock did you crawl out from, get off you high and mighty perch and shut the fuck up. My god, are you that ugly and insecure that you don’t have the guts to go out and find a “job” you expect others to apply for and preach to US. People like you need to go jump in front of a high speed train and end it all so we don’t have to put up with you...
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My angry friend what I wrote is the truth. You may not want to believe it and that's fine. I have a suggestion for you...if you don't want to read this post or any other post on CP don't go on the site!! Even a dumb ass like yourself can understand that.
 








anonymous said:
Are you fucking kidding me, what a fucking idiot to post something like that!!! What rock did you crawl out from, get off you high and mighty perch and shut the fuck up. My god, are you that ugly and insecure that you don’t have the guts to go out and find a “job” you expect others to apply for and preach to US. People like you need to go jump in front of a high speed train and end it all so we don’t have to put up with you...
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LOL this guy is something else. I wonder if it is a broomstick up his ass making him so angry. I love it how he uses "we" in the last sentence. This moron thinks he speaks for everyone. Sounds to me he has one unhappy life to take this job so seriously to get that angry.
 




anonymous said:
Snowflake if you could sell go into real estate where you can make five times what you are making here. You THINK you can sell a big difference.
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This person always uses the word "Snowflake" in his posts. Do you know someone that uses that word in conversation? I am just going to start calling you "Snowball". Hello Snowball.
 








Some people just love to hear themselves talk. Unfortunately, when they get put into a management position, their reps are like prisoners subject to listening and pretending to agreeing with what they are saying. The brown nosers play into that and try really hard to be "their friend". It's sickening really.
 




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