Teva's Testosterone Gel Approved Game Over

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At least someone on this page has business sense. Last post is right on. Go to Yahoo finance and look with Bio's stock price was in December and then where was after the court ruling. The stock started the the day less than dollar and even going up 28% couldn't break 1.20 not even close to its 52-week high. In addition there was very little volume associated with the stock. The market knows what's going on just look at the data.
 




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At least someone on this page has business sense. Last post is right on. Go to Yahoo finance and look with Bio's stock price was in December and then where was after the court ruling. The stock started the the day less than dollar and even going up 28% couldn't break 1.20 not even close to its 52-week high. In addition there was very little volume associated with the stock. The market knows what's going on just look at the data.
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The reason the stock is lower now than the 52 week high is due to the failure in clinical trials of their lead product libigel in December. If you seriously think this is not a big deal take the blinders off for we will soon all be unemployed.
 




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The reason the stock is lower now than the 52 week high is due to the failure in clinical trials of their lead product libigel in December. If you seriously think this is not a big deal take the blinders off for we will soon all be unemployed.
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Very true. Any agreement was pre-FDA approval. Do you think Teva is going to just sit around now and not pounce on this opportunity? Only if Abbott came up with a shitload of upfront noncompete money which is not going to happen as it has the same impact on profit as losing sales to a competitor. You better pay attention in your profit prophet class coming up pn business savy. Teva will aggressively pursue this market and has the knowhow to grab it.
 




Wondering if rubbing some of this gel on my nubbin will make it grow larger . . . . . somewhat like a small wiener? If so that would be great as my hubby likes it when mine gets huge! Thanks and only serious replies, please.

Tina Pena
 




Remember Allegra? Teva had generic Allegra in pharmacies before Sanofi-Aventis reps knew about it. Teva has a history of getting generics into the pharmacies FAST. Would not be surprised if the generic T-gel is in pharmacies by March. But ignore the media and Teva's track record. Keep working. Business as usual.
 




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Remember Allegra? Teva had generic Allegra in pharmacies before Sanofi-Aventis reps knew about it. Teva has a history of getting generics into the pharmacies FAST. Would not be surprised if the generic T-gel is in pharmacies by March. But ignore the media and Teva's track record. Keep working. Business as usual.
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absolutely! Nothing to see here. Just move along, move along. Keep moving. Nothing here
 












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Remember Allegra? Teva had generic Allegra in pharmacies before Sanofi-Aventis reps knew about it. Teva has a history of getting generics into the pharmacies FAST. Would not be surprised if the generic T-gel is in pharmacies by March. But ignore the media and Teva's track record. Keep working. Business as usual.
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Another great example of Teva's effectiveness. Ever hear of Lofibra? Well, its another fibrate that Teva managed to get preferred across most of the managed care plans at a generic copay. Obviously they know what makes the drug world move: money. They even got pharmacists to switch Tricor and Trilipix to Lofibra and are still doing it. Lofibra has taken a huge amount of both new and refill scripts that were Abbott's. We're talking in the 100s of millions of dollars.
Welcome to the party.
 








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Another great example of Teva's effectiveness. Ever hear of Lofibra? Well, its another fibrate that Teva managed to get preferred across most of the managed care plans at a generic copay. Obviously they know what makes the drug world move: money. They even got pharmacists to switch Tricor and Trilipix to Lofibra and are still doing it. Lofibra has taken a huge amount of both new and refill scripts that were Abbott's. We're talking in the 100s of millions of dollars.
Welcome to the party.
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Word! Those MF's killed our tricor biz big time! Suddenly refills are going to Lofibra and still are. They must be the main reason why fibrate biz for Abbott has been dropping steadily across the country and continue to. Every rep I;ve talked to says the same thing.
Teva is damn aggressive and ruthless. I bet they have taken even more of Abbotts fibrate biz then you can imagine. Believe Tricor/lipix was at like over $2B at one time. Teva probably has already got many, many hundreds of millions and are still taking more. They have helped big time cause the death of the lipid franchise here.
 




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Over 50. Feel fortunate. Us under 50 are screwed whether we retire before OR after the split. At least you have something to look forward to.
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Yes you are right. I feel bad for my former counterparts. The unfortunate part is that I'm 15 years with Abbott and my pension really isn't that big. I cannot take a chance and go to the new company and get laid off. I will lose important benefits. There is no way they will give us concrete, in writing, that we get to keep those benefits if we retire or get laid off from Newco. This was thought out very carefully to screw as many people as possible. Corporate greed at it's worst. If they want to freeze my pension and lay me off at Newco so be it if I get to keep the lifetime benefits I've EARNED.
 








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What are we looking forward to? Diminished retirement? Knowing that all the years we put in might be lost?
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Retire now, keep what you have from Abbott coming (prob quite a bit), dye your grey hair brown, then go get another job for 10 years before you retire for good. What I am saying is at least you got in early and have years under your belt. The 35-40 year olds with 5-10 years will be job jumping in this crazy job environment from here on out, for the next 25 years.
 




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Yes you are right. I feel bad for my former counterparts. The unfortunate part is that I'm 15 years with Abbott and my pension really isn't that big. I cannot take a chance and go to the new company and get laid off. I will lose important benefits. There is no way they will give us concrete, in writing, that we get to keep those benefits if we retire or get laid off from Newco. This was thought out very carefully to screw as many people as possible. Corporate greed at it's worst. If they want to freeze my pension and lay me off at Newco so be it if I get to keep the lifetime benefits I've EARNED.
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curious what "lifetime benefits" you are referring to. Medical? How much will you have to pay per month for coverage? Surely its not completely free. Is it?
Is there any other benefit associated with leaving early even tho you already are retirement eligible? Dont you pretty much have your max retirement monthly payment maxed out with no penalty? I thought only those who leave before 50 get screwed on the monthly payment?
I'm a young guy so just trying to see what your rationale is. Surely I will never get a penny of pension, ever. Like 300 per month locked in now.
 




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curious what "lifetime benefits" you are referring to. Medical? How much will you have to pay per month for coverage? Surely its not completely free. Is it?
Is there any other benefit associated with leaving early even tho you already are retirement eligible? Dont you pretty much have your max retirement monthly payment maxed out with no penalty? I thought only those who leave before 50 get screwed on the monthly payment?
I'm a young guy so just trying to see what your rationale is. Surely I will never get a penny of pension, ever. Like 300 per month locked in now.
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My medical will cost me about $350 to $400 per month compared to much much more if I'm just a retired consumer paying for my insurance before Medicare kicks in. I also pay a very small amount for lifetime life insurance. If I go to Newco and get laid off, I have only Cobra which is horribly expensive until I find another job. I have a friend who is 57 and got laid off in Wyeth/Pfizer merger and still hasn't found another job. There is no guarantee I will find another job or find one in a timely manner. I cannot afford to risk losing that medical benefit. At RM/DM right now Jim Hynd is giving them all a big rah rah speech that nothing is going to change, that they learned their lessons from Hospira. Well the only lesson I see that they have learned is that they won a 7 year class action lawsuit against all those poor employees who worked 10, 15, 20 plus years and lost those benefits they earned. He claims no layoffs at Newco. Didn't Julie (last name?) tell us NO LAYOFFS for 5 years....we are good with our numbers only to go through a layoff of about 1900 a year later????? The only people who really know for sure are the elite upper upper mgt. How can Jim Hynd say this?
 




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My medical will cost me about $350 to $400 per month compared to much much more if I'm just a retired consumer paying for my insurance before Medicare kicks in. I also pay a very small amount for lifetime life insurance. If I go to Newco and get laid off, I have only Cobra which is horribly expensive until I find another job. I have a friend who is 57 and got laid off in Wyeth/Pfizer merger and still hasn't found another job. There is no guarantee I will find another job or find one in a timely manner. I cannot afford to risk losing that medical benefit. At RM/DM right now Jim Hynd is giving them all a big rah rah speech that nothing is going to change, that they learned their lessons from Hospira. Well the only lesson I see that they have learned is that they won a 7 year class action lawsuit against all those poor employees who worked 10, 15, 20 plus years and lost those benefits they earned. He claims no layoffs at Newco. Didn't Julie (last name?) tell us NO LAYOFFS for 5 years....we are good with our numbers only to go through a layoff of about 1900 a year later????? The only people who really know for sure are the elite upper upper mgt. How can Jim Hynd say this?
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this is the first time I have been happy to be over 55, retirement eligible, eligible for TRICARE and have saved aggressively and own several rental properties. I am going to work my ass off in the interim, make the max bonus I can and wait to see what happens. I have never lost much sleep worrying about the future of pharma as the only problem I have ever had was a major dickhead manager at the last company....
 




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Word! Those MF's killed our tricor biz big time! Suddenly refills are going to Lofibra and still are. They must be the main reason why fibrate biz for Abbott has been dropping steadily across the country and continue to. Every rep I;ve talked to says the same thing.
Teva is damn aggressive and ruthless. I bet they have taken even more of Abbotts fibrate biz then you can imagine. Believe Tricor/lipix was at like over $2B at one time. Teva probably has already got many, many hundreds of millions and are still taking more. They have helped big time cause the death of the lipid franchise here.
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If Teva can keep mfg costs under control, they will take the lion's share of this market. Courting insurance companies and pharmacists is the way to grab sales these days. Seeing and kissing doctors' asses doesn't mean shit when there are cheaper alternatives. I give Teva 3 months at most to get into the fray in this market and wreak major damage to Androgel sales. Can you say "switches"?
 




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