Switching OpCo's

I'll add my perspective. I left ethicon about a year ago but was there a while and I knew all the reps in my accounts including the Ortho spine reps. Ortho spine reps have always thought they are better and the reason is because they feel like they are actually doing something of value and are needed. In a few ways they are but its not because they are telling a doc what to do. If that was the case then why are many many cases all over the country done without a rep. They are of value more to the hospital because they consign the product. It's a win win for everyone. Imagine all of a sudden that your product is stocked like ethicon. I promise you your importance would go to almost nothing. I was still there long enough to work with the Depuy synthese reps. They were great guys and I was in many of their cases to get some quick sales. But man, if you think that's sales I'm telling you that's cake compared to other med sales jobs. That's a defend/relationship sale.
 




I'll add my perspective. I left ethicon about a year ago but was there a while and I knew all the reps in my accounts including the Ortho spine reps. Ortho spine reps have always thought they are better and the reason is because they feel like they are actually doing something of value and are needed. In a few ways they are but its not because they are telling a doc what to do. If that was the case then why are many many cases all over the country done without a rep. They are of value more to the hospital because they consign the product. It's a win win for everyone. Imagine all of a sudden that your product is stocked like ethicon. I promise you your importance would go to almost nothing. I was still there long enough to work with the Depuy synthese reps. They were great guys and I was in many of their cases to get some quick sales. But man, if you think that's sales I'm telling you that's cake compared to other med sales jobs. That's a defend/relationship sale.


The products are consigned to the companies and of the Distributor, NOT the hospital. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt, not knowing what the actual Ortho reps does.

So if an implant is wasted or incorrectly used it is NOT the hospitals' responsibility.
 




The products are consigned to the companies and of the Distributor, NOT the hospital. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt, not knowing what the actual Ortho reps does.

So if an implant is wasted or incorrectly used it is NOT the hospitals' responsibility.

I'd say you have no clue what you're talking about. Keep your mouth shut and thank your lucky stars that you're paid anything at all to restock suture carts.
 




I'd say you have no clue what you're talking about. Keep your mouth shut and thank your lucky stars that you're paid anything at all to restock suture carts.

Suture reps have not existed in probably 15 years maybe more. You have no clue what Ethicon represents. We are routinely in cases that use 2k worth of disposables per case and there may be 5 cases that day by the same doc. 10k worth of sales a day for just 1 surgeon is common in every terriorty. We sell biologics that cost upwards of 15k for 1 piece of tissue. Some reps manage territories that approach 8 million annually per year. If you go to any large hospital in any town USA, I can assure you that yheu are using tons of ethicon products in every OR. Ethicon is pervasive every where you look, not just in one hallway of the hospital.
 








Suture reps have not existed in probably 15 years maybe more. You have no clue what Ethicon represents. We are routinely in cases that use 2k worth of disposables per case and there may be 5 cases that day by the same doc. 10k worth of sales a day for just 1 surgeon is common in every terriorty. We sell biologics that cost upwards of 15k for 1 piece of tissue. Some reps manage territories that approach 8 million annually per year. If you go to any large hospital in any town USA, I can assure you that yheu are using tons of ethicon products in every OR. Ethicon is pervasive every where you look, not just in one hallway of the hospital.

Yea, what a "sales" job (by the corporate accounts director) ha!
 








Don't be mad about it. You guys have it made cause u don't have to sell. I'm just saying Ethicon is tough cause it's a true sales job.

If your job is "tough", and yet you get paid like a surgical tech, and the Ortho reps "have it made", and yet get paid more than double and triple your "tough" job, then what does that make you?

See if you can solve the riddle chief.
 




Whatever, nothing is like getting up at 5 or 6am and working back to back to back trauma cases in the OR then going home and getting called back that night because it's your turn to cover that night. Then hustling in hallways to get equipment from spot to spot and still eat angle in docs for growth. Trauma is a beast and it's hard. If anything it's odd to say but standing around for hours on end gets difficult. But the reward in the 350k a year and a life on the bottom of the 1%

I call bullshit! THERE ARE ZERO SYNTHES REPS THAT MAKE 350k!
 








Wondering if anyone has heard of any people leaving EP to go to Bionsense Webster or Depuy Synthes? It seems like a no brainer, the Biosense guys get paid a lot and the Synthes guys get paid even more. Why aren't more EP people going over? Is it frowned upon? I would like to give it a try but don't want to be blackballed if I ask my DM.....

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It is not as easy to move across different opcos as you think. You may get your manager's support but behind the scenes you might not have it because of plans that you don't know about. Also, the Biosense guys make a lot because they have the backround and experience. They are not really looking for a Ethicon rep who has spent years selling staplers and sutures.
 








If your job is "tough", and yet you get paid like a surgical tech, and the Ortho reps "have it made", and yet get paid more than double and triple your "tough" job, then what does that make you?

See if you can solve the riddle chief.

No thanks, "chief"

You must be a hardware rep. Carrying those sets around with your head up the ass of your 2 docs because your whole life and families life depend on that guy liking you. Go get a real sales job d bag
 




Synthes trauma reps love to cry.When it is all said and done, it is a great job that requires minimum selling and is more of a glorified baby sitter and equipment expoditor than anything else

What do you mean "love to cry"? Are there really none of them making 300k? It seems like a better gig than ours. I have 2 of them that overlap my territory and their both good guys. Both seem like they are doing more than ok money wise.
 




Suture reps have not existed in probably 15 years maybe more. You have no clue what Ethicon represents. We are routinely in cases that use 2k worth of disposables per case and there may be 5 cases that day by the same doc. 10k worth of sales a day for just 1 surgeon is common in every terriorty. We sell biologics that cost upwards of 15k for 1 piece of tissue. Some reps manage territories that approach 8 million annually per year. If you go to any large hospital in any town USA, I can assure you that yheu are using tons of ethicon products in every OR. Ethicon is pervasive every where you look, not just in one hallway of the hospital.

Suture reps existed until the end of 2012. Since that time Ethicon has lost huge suture market share and profit. The Endo reps don't understand the suture market, have no time to manage it, and aren't motivated by compensation to grow or maintain it.
 




Suture reps existed until the end of 2012. Since that time Ethicon has lost huge suture market share and profit. The Endo reps don't understand the suture market, have no time to manage it, and aren't motivated by compensation to grow or maintain it.
This is only partially correct..the only suture share/profit Ethicon has lost has been to knotless suture, due to a terrible contract that was negotiated with angiotech allowing quill to drop their price as soon as the ink was dry. Ethicon has taken a ridiculous amount of time getting even close to a full portfolio of knotless options, specifically for lap or robotic use, further allowing vloc to take share.
None of this had anything to do with the rep model or knowledge. This has solely been the fault of the organization.
Ethicon has not lost market share on regular suture.
 




This is only partially correct..the only suture share/profit Ethicon has lost has been to knotless suture, due to a terrible contract that was negotiated with angiotech allowing quill to drop their price as soon as the ink was dry. Ethicon has taken a ridiculous amount of time getting even close to a full portfolio of knotless options, specifically for lap or robotic use, further allowing vloc to take share.
None of this had anything to do with the rep model or knowledge. This has solely been the fault of the organization.
Ethicon has not lost market share on regular suture.

Listen to yourselves. You pussies are arguing about suture! What a sad sad day.