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be specific about "costs more"? what type of procedure and at what hospital? and and which surgeon? robotics should be and can be cost effective vs lap and better in some cases and more cost effective in all open cases. btw, if your looking at it through the window you confirm that you have no clue what your talking about. the system makes no movement on its own PERIOD. and its fine if staff dogs us. we have thick skin. you have to when your introducing disruptive technology. not everyone can handle it. focus on the patient.

Is this more specific for you?

Source: Emerging Equities Report Aug. 2014.- In the second quarter of 2014, the company launched the da Vinci Xi system in the U.S. The company noted that fifty of the ninety six systems it shipped in the second quarter were da Vinci Xi models. The company’s GAAP revenue for the second quarter was $512 million, down 11% on a year-over-year basis. On a GAAP basis, Intuitive Surgical reported net income of $104 million, or $2.77 per diluted share, compared to $159 million, or $3.90 per diluted share reported for the same period in the previous year. Dr. Gary Guthart, President and CEO of Intuitive Surgical, said that he is encouraged by several trends in the second quarter. Dr. Guthart said that global procedures grew 8% on a sequential basis and 9% year-over-year.

So lets get this correct. Your gross sales are way down but your pushing more cases? You mean the cases that might not be needed, because there is a lower cost and more safer/effective procedure that your not telling the customers?

"A study published in the medical journal Obstetrics & Gynecology concludes that hysterectomies performed with the Da Vinci® Surgical Robot are no safer than laparoscopic hysterectomies – and may actually increase the risk of certain injuries. Researchers from the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center suggest that performing a hysterectomy with the Da Vinci® robot provides no safety benefits over laparoscopic surgery to justify the e
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Is this more specific for you?

Source: Emerging Equities Report Aug. 2014.- In the second quarter of 2014, the company launched the da Vinci Xi system in the U.S. The company noted that fifty of the ninety six systems it shipped in the second quarter were da Vinci Xi models. The company’s GAAP revenue for the second quarter was $512 million, down 11% on a year-over-year basis. On a GAAP basis, Intuitive Surgical reported net income of $104 million, or $2.77 per diluted share, compared to $159 million, or $3.90 per diluted share reported for the same period in the previous year. Dr. Gary Guthart, President and CEO of Intuitive Surgical, said that he is encouraged by several trends in the second quarter. Dr. Guthart said that global procedures grew 8% on a sequential basis and 9% year-over-year.

So lets get this correct. Your gross sales are way down but your pushing more cases? You mean the cases that might not be needed, because there is a lower cost and more safer/effective procedure that your not telling the customers?

"A study published in the medical journal Obstetrics & Gynecology concludes that hysterectomies performed with the Da Vinci® Surgical Robot are no safer than laparoscopic hysterectomies – and may actually increase the risk of certain injuries. Researchers from the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center suggest that performing a hysterectomy with the Da Vinci® robot provides no safety benefits over laparoscopic surgery to justify the e
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none of you are giving specifics. your still quoting ambiguous studies with NO Specifics. How can a da vinci case be more expensive. list details and costs per instrument side by side i wanna see it! hospitals i work with have done it and showed cost equivalent. and that doesnt consider conversions to open, LOS, and complications. they looked at that as well and know they lowered their cost by lowering their open rates, LOS, etc. the acog "statement" does not state specifics on costs. costs arguments against dv always speak with generalities. "2,500 more, etc". including cost of the initial purchase in each procedure. do they include cost of lap tower vs lap. this is all so funny because its the EXACT same arguments that took place when lap was introduced. there is a standard of care developing in front of your own eyes and you cant even see it.
 






none of you are giving specifics. your still quoting ambiguous studies with NO Specifics. How can a da vinci case be more expensive. list details and costs per instrument side by side i wanna see it! hospitals i work with have done it and showed cost equivalent. and that doesnt consider conversions to open, LOS, and complications. they looked at that as well and know they lowered their cost by lowering their open rates, LOS, etc. the acog "statement" does not state specifics on costs. costs arguments against dv always speak with generalities. "2,500 more, etc". including cost of the initial purchase in each procedure. do they include cost of lap tower vs lap. this is all so funny because its the EXACT same arguments that took place when lap was introduced. there is a standard of care developing in front of your own eyes and you cant even see it.

National Center for Biotechnology Information, U.S. National Library of Medicine 8600 Rockville Pike, Bethesda MD, 20894 USA

Total laparoscopic hysterectomy versus da Vinci robotic hysterectomy: is using the robot beneficial?
Soto E1, Lo Y, Friedman K, Soto C, Nezhat F, Chuang L, Gretz H.
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Abstract
OBJECTIVE:

To compare the outcomes of total laparoscopic to robotic approach for hysterectomy and all indicated procedures after controlling for surgeon and other confounding factors.
METHODS:

Retrospective chart review of all consecutive cases of total laparoscopic and da Vinci robotic hysterectomies between August 2007 and July 2013 by two gynecologic oncology surgeons. Our primary outcome measure was operative procedure time. Secondary measures included complications, conversion to laparotomy, estimated blood loss and length of hospital stay. A mixed model with a random intercept was applied to control for surgeon and other confounders. Wilcoxon rank-sum, chi-square and Fisher's exact tests were used for the statistical analysis.
RESULTS:

The 124 patients included in the study consisted of 77 total laparoscopic hysterectomies and 47 robotic hysterectomies. Both groups had similar baseline characteristics, indications for surgery and additional procedures performed. The difference between the mean operative procedure time for the total laparoscopic hysterectomy group (111.4 minutes) and the robotic hysterectomy group (150.8 minutes) was statistically significant (p=0.0001) despite the fact that the specimens obtained in the total laparoscopic hysterectomy group were significantly larger (125 g vs. 94 g, p=0.002). The robotic hysterectomy group had statistically less estimated blood loss than the total laparoscopic hysterectomy group (131.5 mL vs. 207.7 mL, p=0.0105) however no patients required a blood transfusion in either group. Both groups had a comparable rate of conversion to laparotomy, intraoperative complications, and length of hospital stay.

CONCLUSION:

Total laparoscopic hysterectomy can be performed safely and in less operative time compared to robotic hysterectomy when performed by trained surgeons. However, the cost per procedure using robotic hysterectomy was alarming compared to the lower cost to patient using laparoscopic.

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New England Journal of Medicine analysis of studies that examined 20 robot-assisted procedures found that using a robot added about 13 percent, or $3,200, to the average cost of a procedure.

The key study and reports of problems have raised questions about robotic surgery’s safety and cost-effectiveness, leading to a review of the Da Vinci system by the Food and Drug Administration and causing some experts to wonder whether the benefits of undergoing robot-assisted surgery may have been overstated.

At this time, health insurers generally pay for robotic surgery just as they would any other surgical procedure, and patient out-of-pocket costs are typically no different either. That could change, some say, as more comprehensive data become available that clarifies when robotic-assisted surgery helps improve patient outcomes—and when it doesn't.

Robotic surgery is similar to conventional laparascopic surgery, in which surgical instruments are inserted into small incisions in a patient's torso and manipulated by the surgeon. In robotic surgery, however, the surgeon sits at a console in the operating room and uses hand and foot controls to manipulate surgical tools attached to a robot's arms. Both types of surgery may result in quicker recovery times, less blood loss and pain for patients compared with traditional "open" surgeries performed through a larger incision.
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Robot-assisted surgeries are generally more expensive than other methods, however, and don't necessarily improve patient outcomes long-term. A study published in February in the Journal of the American Medical Association of more than 260,000 hysterectomy patients found that the median hospital cost for robot-assisted surgery was $8,868, compared with $6,679 for a laparascopic hysterectomy. The study found that although patients who got robotic hysterectomies were less likely than laparscopic patients to be hospitalized for more than two days, there was no significant difference between the two groups on other measures, such as complications and blood transfusion rates.
 






Lets, so far I have quoted:

1. New England Journal of Medicine.
2. National Center for Biotechnology Information, U.S. National Library of Medicine 8600. Rockville Pike, Bethesda MD, 20894 USA.
3. A study published in the medical journal Obstetrics & Gynecolog.
4. A comprehensive study conducted by Columbia University.
5. Researchers from the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center.

Keep your fucking head in the sand idiot. Your arguing without the benefit of facts. Wait until that MDL comes down. Do you even know what that is? lol Your boss does... fool
 






Lets, so far I have quoted:

1. New England Journal of Medicine.
2. National Center for Biotechnology Information, U.S. National Library of Medicine 8600. Rockville Pike, Bethesda MD, 20894 USA.
3. A study published in the medical journal Obstetrics & Gynecolog.
4. A comprehensive study conducted by Columbia University.
5. Researchers from the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center.

Keep your fucking head in the sand idiot. Your arguing without the benefit of facts. Wait until that MDL comes down. Do you even know what that is? lol Your boss does... fool


don't forget this one:

6. A study published in February in the Journal of the American Medical Association of more than 260,000 hysterectomy patients found that the median hospital cost for robot-assisted surgery was $8,868, compared with $6,679 for a laparascopic hysterectomy.

This sales reps are idiots.
 






Forbes 9/29/2014 @ 8:45AM

Cost and Safety Concerns

Intuitive Surgical’s recent performance has been negatively impacted by a number of factors such as concerns over the efficacy and cost effectiveness of its da Vinci systems, changed institutional capital-spending priorities because of the Affordable Care Act in the U.S., and negative publicity due to increasing liability lawsuits against the company. The surgical robot maker’s performance has been especially lackluster in the U.S., where unit sales of da Vinci systems have dropped almost 30% over last year.

Q2 2014 financial report where it reported an 11% year-over-year (y-o-y) decline in revenues and a 35% drop in net income.

The initial decline was attributed to a critical report by Columbia University last year which questioned the benefits of da Vinci surgery over traditional surgery in hysterectomy procedures. Since hysterectomy procedures account for about 30% of all surgeries performed using the da Vinci system in the U.S., sales were significantly impacted. There were several other reports that questioned da Vinci surgeries related to their cost effectiveness, which brought in a lot of negative publicity to the company as well. However, the biggest limiting factor for an increase in da Vinci system sales in the U.S. right now is the impact of the Affordable Care Act on spending priorities of hospitals and health institutions.


Fucking sales reps having nothing to offer, your shit costs more and now the adverse effects are going to bit you in the ass.
 






don't forget this one:

6. A study published in February in the Journal of the American Medical Association of more than 260,000 hysterectomy patients found that the median hospital cost for robot-assisted surgery was $8,868, compared with $6,679 for a laparascopic hysterectomy.

This sales reps are idiots.


Do you believe everything you read? Your #6 is a database manipulation of discharge data. It would be hard to argue that it was even a scientific analysis of the data it used to prove a point, from a very biased, non-robotic GYN onc from Columbia. The sad thing is that people like you who have no clue what they are actually talking about take things like this and spew incessantly about the negative press. Keep in mind that both markets where robotic surgery are now standard of care were OPEN surgical procedures. Even though lap surgery was started in GYN, it never was adopted for the majority of patients. WHy? because the technology was extremely limited. The new generation of laparoscopic tools (da Vinci) overcomes those limitations, allowing more MIS to take place in the hands of more surgeons. End of discussion.....
 












Do you believe everything you read? Your #6 is a database manipulation of discharge data. It would be hard to argue that it was even a scientific analysis of the data it used to prove a point, from a very biased, non-robotic GYN onc from Columbia. The sad thing is that people like you who have no clue what they are actually talking about take things like this and spew incessantly about the negative press. Keep in mind that both markets where robotic surgery are now standard of care were OPEN surgical procedures. Even though lap surgery was started in GYN, it never was adopted for the majority of patients. WHy? because the technology was extremely limited. The new generation of laparoscopic tools (da Vinci) overcomes those limitations, allowing more MIS to take place in the hands of more surgeons. End of discussion.....

This maybe the end of discussion for you... Most likely due to the fact it sounds like Intuitive propaganda. You didn't quote a single study on any of your claims. Why should anyone believe what you say when all the studies that are being posted are saying the opposite of your Intuitive claims. Intuitive has lied about costs, safety and adverse Effects, not just to the FDA, but to the Investors, and your OWN insurance company, but more importantly Intuitive has lied to the patients (nice informed content there huh) and has been publicly admonished for it. So now your saying, "Don't lesson to # 6 - the Journal of the American Medical Association".

Sure, next you will be saying that your earning for the year are going to be, "great".
 






Some of you bitter reps sound like typewriter salespeople during the computer revolution. You're getting old and outdated. Computers don't leave industries, ever! Nor do robots. It will only get cheaper, smaller and more efficient. Our way of life is changing day by day. Stop bitchin about change and progress. In a few years surgery will become less and less... Imaging and biotechnology will continue to catch things earlier and earlier. And I really enjoy reading lap reps talk about cost like that is their moral high ground over robotics. If you cared that much about cost take a pay cut biatch. You aren't worth 6 figures standing there making sure a surgeon uses enseal or ligasure from 7am-3.
 






Some of you bitter reps sound like typewriter salespeople during the computer revolution. You're getting old and outdated. Computers don't leave industries, ever! Nor do robots. It will only get cheaper, smaller and more efficient. Our way of life is changing day by day. Stop bitchin about change and progress. In a few years surgery will become less and less... Imaging and biotechnology will continue to catch things earlier and earlier. And I really enjoy reading lap reps talk about cost like that is their moral high ground over robotics. If you cared that much about cost take a pay cut biatch. You aren't worth 6 figures standing there making sure a surgeon uses enseal or ligasure from 7am-3.

Right on, bro! Only an idiot would work from 7:00 to 3:00. Having a life and spending time with your family is for pussies!
 






Do you believe everything you read? Your #6 is a database manipulation of discharge data. It would be hard to argue that it was even a scientific analysis of the data it used to prove a point, from a very biased, non-robotic GYN onc from Columbia. The sad thing is that people like you who have no clue what they are actually talking about take things like this and spew incessantly about the negative press. Keep in mind that both markets where robotic surgery are now standard of care were OPEN surgical procedures. Even though lap surgery was started in GYN, it never was adopted for the majority of patients. WHy? because the technology was extremely limited. The new generation of laparoscopic tools (da Vinci) overcomes those limitations, allowing more MIS to take place in the hands of more surgeons. End of discussion.....

You better believe this article from the Wall Street Journal. The investors do!

Robotic Surgery Brings Higher Costs, More Complications, Study Shows
Columbia Researchers Compared Robotic Surgery to Regular Laparoscopic Surgery for Removing Ovaries, Ovarian Cysts.

In the latest study to question the value of robotic surgery, researchers from Columbia University found that the technology costs significantly more and has a higher rate of complications than regular minimally invasive surgery for removing ovaries and ovarian cysts.

Last year, the same researchers reported that robotic surgery for hysterectomies was more costly, and brought no better outcomes, than regular laparoscopic surgery. Separately, a small study published in July found that robotic surgery for bladder cancer was no better than laparoscopy at reducing complications.

“There’s a widespread belief that newer is better but our findings question that. People need to stop and critically analyze whether using this expensive technology will really add any benefit for patients,” said Jason D. Wright, chief of gynecologic oncology at Columbia and lead author of the new study, published Tuesday in the journal Obstetrics & Gynecology.

Supporters say that because robotic surgery uses only tiny incisions, it involves less blood loss, pain and postoperative pain medication than traditional open surgery, as well as shorter recovery times and hospital stays. But experts note that regular laparoscopic surgery has the same benefits without the added investment in technology, training and maintenance that robotic surgery requires.

Intuitive Surgical Inc., ISRG -2.76% which makes the da Vinci Surgical System reviewed in the studies, said surgeons and patients choose to use it “because it can lead to fewer complications and shorter hospital stays.” The company also said the technology is often used on patients “with more complex disease and higher risk factors,” which the latest study didn’t take into account.

Sales of the $2 million machines have been hard hit over the past year by concerns over the technology’s safety and cost-effectiveness. The Sunnyvale, Calif., company recently posted its fourth consecutive quarter of net-income declines. For the last quarter, the company reported a profit of $104 million, down from $159.1 million a year earlier. Revenue fell 11% to $512.2 million.

Use of the da Vinci robot—which allows surgeons to sit at a computer console and manipulate robotic arms outfitted with tiny surgical instruments—had been growing steadily since its 2000 debut as hospitals raced to embrace the new technology that was seen as bringing a competitive edge. More than 3,100 of the systems have been installed around the world.

But analysts say hospitals are being more cautious with such purchases as government and commercial payers shift to reimbursements based on value, not volume, of services.

Last year, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists issued a statement telling women that robotic surgery wasn’t the best, or the most cost-efficient, minimally invasive approach for hysterectomy. Barbara S. Levy, ACOG’s vice president for health policy, said the new research showed that, “So far, robotics has not lived up to the hype for benign gynecologic procedures.”

In the latest study, the Columbia researchers analyzed records of more than 87,000 women who had their ovaries or ovarian cysts removed at 502 hospitals between 2009 and 2012. Use of robots increased sharply during that period, from 3.5% to 15% of ovarian surgeries, and from 2.4% to 12.9% for cyst removal, the study reported.

But 7.1% of patients who had ovaries removed with robotic surgery incurred complications—including injuries to the bladder, kidney and ureter during surgery—compared with 6% of those who had regular laparoscopy. And 3.7% of patients who had robotic surgery to remove cysts had complications, compared to 2.7% with laparoscopy.

Given that ovarian and cyst surgery is typically routine and low risk, the authors speculated that the higher rate of complications with robotic surgery could be due to “surgeons gaining experience on a new technology.”

The difference in cost was even more pronounced, according to the Columbia study: robotic surgery cost $2,504 more for removing ovaries and $3,311 more for removing cysts than regular laparoscopy. Both the fixed and variable costs of robotic surgery were higher than laparoscopic surgery, according to the study, which used actual accounting costs reported by hospitals rather than the often inflated “charges.”

“It’s not just the cost of buying this big, expensive machine,“ Dr. Wright said. “Every time they use it, they are incurring extra costs, probably due to longer surgeries and the cost of disposable instruments.”

Robert Edwards, vice chairman of gynecologic services at University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, who supervises more than 80 surgeons, said that robotic surgery has a role in complex, difficult cases that require advanced maneuverability. “But the pendulum has swung a little too far, and now everything is being done robotically. We need to take a hard look at why and how it’s being used,” said Dr. Edwards, who wasn’t involved in the new study.

Vik Srinivasan, a senior analyst at the Advisory Board Co. ABCO -1.66% , who advises hospitals on purchasing robotic systems, said many have been willing to absorb the extra cost in order to gain market share. But that’s become more difficult as more hospitals acquired robots. “Now, hospitals are wondering, do we risk losing patients and surgeons if we don’t have this key technology?” Mr. Srinivasan said. “Those are tough questions that hospitals have to think through.”

Write to Melinda Beck at HealthJournal@wsj.com