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Anonymous said:
how are we going to spin this one
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ISI never does recalls. When there is a problem, they try to secretly fix it and then slowly introduce the new device. How no one can see these product changes is beyond me.

You can tell everything is falling apart in-house since the pipeline of product has practically dried up. Instead of releasing new product, they are fixing bad engineering.
 






Anonymous said:
ISI never does recalls. When there is a problem, they try to secretly fix it and then slowly introduce the new device. How no one can see these product changes is beyond me.

You can tell everything is falling apart in-house since the pipeline of product has practically dried up. Instead of releasing new product, they are fixing bad engineering.
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Dried up pipeline? Bad engineering? Can you honestly say that w/ a straight face?? I no longer work at Intuitive, but I miss the level of innovation that company provided. The company just launched a brand new system, as well as an innovative new stapler, when was the last time your company came out with something game changing?? Most companies take 5 to 10 years to come out w/ anything new. At Intuitive we were introduced to new products at every national sales meeting (2x/yr). I miss that level of excitement w/ new products. How often does Covidien and Ethicon have recalls and back-orders? ALL. THE. TIME!! Intuitive was by no means a perfect company to work for, but to say they have poor engineering and a dried up pipeline is ignorant. No other company & engineering team in device is able to launch products faster, and w/o issues than Intuitive. This stapler recall is the first new product recall I have witnessed in the last 7 years.
 












You sound like a girl in marketing doing damage control, not a former sales rep. The company launched a brand new system with a minimum number of instruments. You've already had a recall on it for some of its components. Most companies do not take 5 to 10 years to come out with new product. Just monitor yahoo finance and read the press releases. Most companies have new product or new clinical research coming out monthly. There hasn't been anything on the ISI news feed besides you trying to brainwash med school students to use your product.

Let me tell you about bad engineering. You knew after you submitted to the FDA that tissue was getting caught with the stapler. You scrambled to fix the design before you got FDA approval. You let everyone in the company know of this problem. You obviously didn't fix it and you now have a recall. Are you modeling yourself after the GM ignition, the Ford Pinto or even the Guidant defibrillator?



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Dried up pipeline? Bad engineering? Can you honestly say that w/ a straight face?? I no longer work at Intuitive, but I miss the level of innovation that company provided. The company just launched a brand new system, as well as an innovative new stapler, when was the last time your company came out with something game changing?? Most companies take 5 to 10 years to come out w/ anything new. At Intuitive we were introduced to new products at every national sales meeting (2x/yr). I miss that level of excitement w/ new products. How often does Covidien and Ethicon have recalls and back-orders? ALL. THE. TIME!! Intuitive was by no means a perfect company to work for, but to say they have poor engineering and a dried up pipeline is ignorant. No other company & engineering team in device is able to launch products faster, and w/o issues than Intuitive. This stapler recall is the first new product recall I have witnessed in the last 7 years.
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The management at Intuitive is going to jail soon. Notice that before they disclose yet another recall the management sells their stock.

"SVP Salvatore Brogna who unloaded 12,626 shares of Intuitive Surgical stock on the open market in a transaction that occurred on Tuesday, September 2nd 2014. The stock was sold at an average price of $472.06, for a total transaction of $5,960,229.56."

"SVP Colin Morales sold 4,105 shares of the company’s stock in a transaction that occurred on Tuesday, August 26th. The stock was sold at an average price of $478.66, for a total value of $1,964,899.30. Following the sale, the senior vice president now directly owns 102 shares of the company’s stock, valued at approximately $48,823. The transaction was disclosed in a legal filing with the Securities & Exchange Commission."

SEC is on to their asses.
 












Ethicon is about to mop up on your stapler recall. I watched the robot today for about 5 minutes from the or window. What a piece of shit that thing is. I use don't get it. Huge clunker that costs 2 million. I predict the next Enron collapse
 






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Ethicon is about to mop up on your stapler recall. I watched the robot today for about 5 minutes from the or window. What a piece of shit that thing is. I use don't get it. Huge clunker that costs 2 million. I predict the next Enron collapse
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I work at Intuitive and hate it, but you are an idiot!
 












I'm not the guy who called you an idiot. Although, it's all right there in your writing. Why would anybody want to do a TLH on a ROUTINE hyst. That's the point right there. The fact that not only can you become faster and more proficient on your routine cases, you can also tackle cases that you can not do lap therefore increasing the rate of MIS. That's it! you answered your own question.
 






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I'm not the guy who called you an idiot. Although, it's all right there in your writing. Why would anybody want to do a TLH on a ROUTINE hyst. That's the point right there. The fact that not only can you become faster and more proficient on your routine cases, you can also tackle cases that you can not do lap therefore increasing the rate of MIS. That's it! you answered your own question.
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What the hell r you guys smoking over there? Do y'all realize how bad the staff dogs y'all out behind your back. It's a lot! They hate setting that clunker up and the expense for a routine hyst. And it's faster? Compete nonsense. Doing cases that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do lap? Man, what r u talking about. Be specific
 












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What the hell r you guys smoking over there? Do y'all realize how bad the staff dogs y'all out behind your back. It's a lot! They hate setting that clunker up and the expense for a routine hyst. And it's faster? Compete nonsense. Doing cases that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do lap? Man, what r u talking about. Be specific
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Two reasons:

Visualization and being able to sit at the console all day (rather than standing over the patient).

Every surgeon knows that robotic outcomes are the same as traditional lap, and that it costs more, and extremely few of them give a shit.
 






Anonymous said:
Two reasons:

Visualization and being able to sit at the console all day (rather than standing over the patient).

Every surgeon knows that robotic outcomes are the same as traditional lap, and that it costs more, and extremely few of them give a shit.
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Now your sounding like the a Intuitive employee HACK...

I'll tell you who gives a shit. The Patients, the Insurance companies, the FDA and SEC. Who would want to have a procedure with a Robot that costs more and has a very bad reputation of lying about adverse effects?
 






Anonymous said:
Two reasons:

Visualization and being able to sit at the console all day (rather than standing over the patient).

Every surgeon knows that robotic outcomes are the same as traditional lap, and that it costs more, and extremely few of them give a shit.
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well at least your honest but that's still only 1 compelling reason in my book. sitting in a chair...bingo, that is the truth. Why is extreme visualization needed in a routine hyst?
 






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Now your sounding like the a Intuitive employee HACK...

I'll tell you who gives a shit. The Patients, the Insurance companies, the FDA and SEC. Who would want to have a procedure with a Robot that costs more and has a very bad reputation of lying about adverse effects?
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be specific about "costs more"? what type of procedure and at what hospital? and and which surgeon? robotics should be and can be cost effective vs lap and better in some cases and more cost effective in all open cases. btw, if your looking at it through the window you confirm that you have no clue what your talking about. the system makes no movement on its own PERIOD. and its fine if staff dogs us. we have thick skin. you have to when your introducing disruptive technology. not everyone can handle it. focus on the patient.
 






just look at how many TLH's were being done before the robot became the #1 approach for hyst... (64% open vs 14% TLH vs 22% vaginal). so for all of you idiots out there who lost your trocar, enseal, ligasure, harmonic business, quit crying and just accept the fact this is and will continue to be the standard of care and will be the most cost effective. how many new GYN surgeons are coming out who are actually doing hysterectomies without robotic assistance? Very few.... Even the AAGL fellows are using robots.

argue all you want, robotic surgery is here to stay. whether it is intuitive or another company, it is not going anywhere and will continue to evolve and gain market share in other specialties.


Disclosure: FORMER intuitive rep, still a shareholder
 






Anonymous said:
just look at how many TLH's were being done before the robot became the #1 approach for hyst... (64% open vs 14% TLH vs 22% vaginal). so for all of you idiots out there who lost your trocar, enseal, ligasure, harmonic business, quit crying and just accept the fact this is and will continue to be the standard of care and will be the most cost effective. how many new GYN surgeons are coming out who are actually doing hysterectomies without robotic assistance? Very few.... Even the AAGL fellows are using robots.

argue all you want, robotic surgery is here to stay. whether it is intuitive or another company, it is not going anywhere and will continue to evolve and gain market share in other specialties.


Disclosure: FORMER intuitive rep, still a shareholder
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I could care less about losing my business to Intuitive because I know Ill get it back eventually and when I do it's gonna be a nice couple years bonus. Acogs is very clear about the benefits or should I say the lack of. And don't get too proud of yourself because you do realize we get calls all the time to join intuitve. We pass because it's hard to sell something you don't believe in
 






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be specific about "costs more"? what type of procedure and at what hospital? and and which surgeon? robotics should be and can be cost effective vs lap and better in some cases and more cost effective in all open cases. btw, if your looking at it through the window you confirm that you have no clue what your talking about. the system makes no movement on its own PERIOD. and its fine if staff dogs us. we have thick skin. you have to when your introducing disruptive technology. not everyone can handle it. focus on the patient.
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"Intuitive Surgical’s da Vinci systems have been under intense scrutiny over their cost effectiveness and efficiency claims in the past year. A comprehensive study conducted by Columbia University in 2013 suggested that surgeries performed using the systems may cost significantly more than standard minimally invasive procedures, without any major benefits. The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists also echoed these research findings, and questioned the lack of clinical data to demonstrate the efficacy of robotic hysterectomies over cheaper laparoscopic procedures."
 






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