Sneaky warn notice at Thanksgiving

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anonymous said:
This is not true. If you have a hybrid Head Office based role in NJ and live in PA you still get three months notice. I know so because my colleagues who live in PA were recently affected. Check with HR for your situation.
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Nope! Not true for everyone! It is all Department based or negotiations based. I know people living in PA who got only 3 weeks. I also know one person living in NJ who got 6 months when everyone else in NJ got 3 months.
 












anonymous said:
This is not true. If you have a hybrid Head Office based role in NJ and live in PA you still get three months notice. I know so because my colleagues who live in PA were recently affected. Check with HR for your situation.
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Agreed. The state warn laws apply to your place of employment. NJ has strong laws. For those who have an office/hybrid based role in NJ that’s the warn notice they follow regardless of residency.

Field and remote workers don’t just automatically get NJ because that’s where our corporate office is. They get whatever BMS has reported their home state of work is, independent of residency. You can contact HR and ask what that is if you don’t know.
 






anonymous said:
Agreed. The state warn laws apply to your place of employment. NJ has strong laws. For those who have an office/hybrid based role in NJ that’s the warn notice they follow regardless of residency.

Field and remote workers don’t just automatically get NJ because that’s where our corporate office is. They get whatever BMS has reported their home state of work is, independent of residency. You can contact HR and ask what that is if you don’t know.
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unless BmS moves its headquarters, we are all paid out of NJ - start treating everyone fairly and not look for loopholes in the law.
 






anonymous said:
unless BmS moves its headquarters, we are all paid out of NJ - start treating everyone fairly and not look for loopholes in the law.
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Nothing surprising here. They look for any way to not pay severance if they can. Whatever gives the shareholders and c-suite more cash. Regardless if you are field or remote do not assume you are a NJ employee and will get NJ severance.
 






anonymous said:
Nothing surprising here. They look for any way to not pay severance if they can. Whatever gives the shareholders and c-suite more cash. Regardless if you are field or remote do not assume you are a NJ employee and will get NJ severance.
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Correct! Only NJ residents receive NJ severance and the numbers on NJ WARN don’t match the actual numbers that are laid off. The rest receive 3 weeks unless an under the table deal is made for longer employment, increased severance ……. Only ED and above can negotiate the terms after they throw the rest of their team under the bus.
 






anonymous said:
Nothing surprising here. They look for any way to not pay severance if they can. Whatever gives the shareholders and c-suite more cash. Regardless if you are field or remote do not assume you are a NJ employee and will get NJ severance.
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I know that severance is based on individual and departments but does anyone know the approximate pay per year of service? What about Medical benefits? Are they cut off immediately after the last day of work?
 






anonymous said:
Severance packages should be standardized across our organization in accordance to NJ law, where our US headquarters is located (like every other headquartered NJ company). Everyone is getting a different severance plan, one worse than the next, while only the New Jersey employees are treated somewhat fairly.
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They are, it's an SOP. You can find out right now exactly what your severance package would be.
 












anonymous said:
They are, it's an SOP. You can find out right now exactly what your severance package would be.
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They are not. For your own sake, don’t live in a bubble. Thousands have been laid off. By now, everyone knows someone who is laid off. Ask people from different states and NJ. Packages are not the same.
 






anonymous said:
I know that severance is based on individual and departments but does anyone know the approximate pay per year of service? What about Medical benefits? Are they cut off immediately after the last day of work?
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Yes, they are cut off unless you enroll in COBRA which is a big headache with no help from anyone to keep the benefits going. COBRA is activated one to two months after your last day and after you have made your payments to COBRA and after verification is completed with an assurance that though it is approved later it is continued from last day of employment. However, if you go to a doctor before COBRA is activated, their office does not have information that you have COBRA activated insurance which should be the same as your current insurance. The current insurance has not received communication from COBRA about continued insurance and they decline your benefits. You then have to keep going back and forth with COBRA and your health insurance to get your benefits activated. It is an extremely difficult process and BMS benefits dept is completely hands off in this whole mess. To top it all, you are only allowed COBRA with BMS monthly insurance premiums for a limited time after which if you don’t cancel it immediately, you will be charged thousands by COBRA upto $4000 to $10000 and then you will be going back and forth to cancel it and go through more hassles. In the meantime, if you see a doctor after post BMS COBRA benefits expire, COBRA will keep chasing you for their thousands. You have to cancel COBRA immediately after BMS related COBRA benefits expire or else you will have to pay the extra high premiums. Confusing? If yes, then as soon as you get laid off, immediately ask everything you can related to medical benefits or anything else. Even the IT and people’s services will immediately discard you even though you are still working there. You will not be allowed to speak with any support as easily as you could before. You will have to send an email and wait for a response. Sometimes you get a response back and many times no one responds. Only those people with true hearts will respond to laid off people with compassion. Many don’t care.
 






anonymous said:
Yes, they are cut off unless you enroll in COBRA which is a big headache with no help from anyone to keep the benefits going. COBRA is activated one to two months after your last day and after you have made your payments to COBRA and after verification is completed with an assurance that though it is approved later it is continued from last day of employment. However, if you go to a doctor before COBRA is activated, their office does not have information that you have COBRA activated insurance which should be the same as your current insurance. The current insurance has not received communication from COBRA about continued insurance and they decline your benefits. You then have to keep going back and forth with COBRA and your health insurance to get your benefits activated. It is an extremely difficult process and BMS benefits dept is completely hands off in this whole mess. To top it all, you are only allowed COBRA with BMS monthly insurance premiums for a limited time after which if you don’t cancel it immediately, you will be charged thousands by COBRA upto $4000 to $10000 and then you will be going back and forth to cancel it and go through more hassles. In the meantime, if you see a doctor after post BMS COBRA benefits expire, COBRA will keep chasing you for their thousands. You have to cancel COBRA immediately after BMS related COBRA benefits expire or else you will have to pay the extra high premiums. Confusing? If yes, then as soon as you get laid off, immediately ask everything you can related to medical benefits or anything else. Even the IT and people’s services will immediately discard you even though you are still working there. You will not be allowed to speak with any support as easily as you could before. You will have to send an email and wait for a response. Sometimes you get a response back and many times no one responds. Only those people with true hearts will respond to laid off people with compassion. Many don’t care.
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The IT and people’s services are mostly sitting in India with zero understanding of the urgency associated with COBRA. They have no clue about the American health system and send an automated reply that you will receive a response within 3 days. Nothing comes in 3 days. Then you will send a follow up email and again receive an automated reply that you will receive a response in 3 days. Two weeks pass and there is no follow up. It is best to have a spouse who works with insurance or find another job as quickly as you can which is not easy for everyone. The day you lose your job, you need to focus on finding another job. If you keep working like nuts for a lost job and don’t do what is required for yourself, only you will be responsible for delays and lack of medical benefits or whatever.
 






anonymous said:
Yes, they are cut off unless you enroll in COBRA which is a big headache with no help from anyone to keep the benefits going. COBRA is activated one to two months after your last day and after you have made your payments to COBRA and after verification is completed with an assurance that though it is approved later it is continued from last day of employment. However, if you go to a doctor before COBRA is activated, their office does not have information that you have COBRA activated insurance which should be the same as your current insurance. The current insurance has not received communication from COBRA about continued insurance and they decline your benefits. You then have to keep going back and forth with COBRA and your health insurance to get your benefits activated. It is an extremely difficult process and BMS benefits dept is completely hands off in this whole mess. To top it all, you are only allowed COBRA with BMS monthly insurance premiums for a limited time after which if you don’t cancel it immediately, you will be charged thousands by COBRA upto $4000 to $10000 and then you will be going back and forth to cancel it and go through more hassles. In the meantime, if you see a doctor after post BMS COBRA benefits expire, COBRA will keep chasing you for their thousands. You have to cancel COBRA immediately after BMS related COBRA benefits expire or else you will have to pay the extra high premiums. Confusing? If yes, then as soon as you get laid off, immediately ask everything you can related to medical benefits or anything else. Even the IT and people’s services will immediately discard you even though you are still working there. You will not be allowed to speak with any support as easily as you could before. You will have to send an email and wait for a response. Sometimes you get a response back and many times no one responds. Only those people with true hearts will respond to laid off people with compassion. Many don’t care.
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Fuck Cobra. Miyagi-do all day.
 


















anonymous said:
The IT and people’s services are mostly sitting in India with zero understanding of the urgency associated with COBRA. They have no clue about the American health system and send an automated reply that you will receive a response within 3 days. Nothing comes in 3 days. Then you will send a follow up email and again receive an automated reply that you will receive a response in 3 days. Two weeks pass and there is no follow up. It is best to have a spouse who works with insurance or find another job as quickly as you can which is not easy for everyone. The day you lose your job, you need to focus on finding another job. If you keep working like nuts for a lost job and don’t do what is required for yourself, only you will be responsible for delays and lack of medical benefits or whatever.
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Thank you for sharing these posts as it helps others to prepare for what’s coming. BMS must gag the ones laid off as there is no transparency as they float around 3 months at ppk.
 






anonymous said:
Thank you for sharing these posts as it helps others to prepare for what’s coming. BMS must gag the ones laid off as there is no transparency as they float around 3 months at ppk.
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They don’t gag anyone. No one is floating around. It is very hard on them. Those laid off are working and completing all their projects. The smart ones immediately look for jobs instead of hoping that they will get a job at BMS. Three months are required to finish off work, finish doctor’s appointments, apply for jobs internally and externally, moving, selling houses yaddi yaddi ya. Be nice because sooner or later, you will be that floater.
 






anonymous said:
They don’t gag anyone. No one is floating around. It is very hard on them. Those laid off are working and completing all their projects. The smart ones immediately look for jobs instead of hoping that they will get a job at BMS. Three months are required to finish off work, finish doctor’s appointments, apply for jobs internally and externally, moving, selling houses yaddi yaddi ya. Be nice because sooner or later, you will be that floater.
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Exactly! It's very hard, shameful, awkward, etc to be laid off and "floating around for 3 months" while some people know and some people don't - meanwhile you're panicking and politicking and trying to secure something internally while looking externally. If you are a decent human, you're helping your team continue with work and holding your head high. Those that haven't experienced it easily say "must be nice to have a job for 3 months with nothing to do" but they don't understand the crappy emotional roller-coaster these folks are on.

On top of everything, the benefits/HR system is a total Black hole. No way to speak to anyone truly helpful - submitting tickets to ask a question, get a 30-second blanket non-specific response, only to end up with 5 more questions and 5 more tickets to submit. Its really awful - esp the benefit/cobra stuff. The paperwork is not clear and even if you think you understand it, the mistakes and mishandling that occur are never-ending.
 






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