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The day will come http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/05/weekinreview/05drugs.html when a drug company does not enthusiastically promote a new drug simply because it can be approved. As an MD I can tell you that just being "approved" is a bare minimum. It's just not good enough. You greedy bastards think that you don't need any new drugs until your current patents run out. Wrong. You should have been improving on your current medication list just after each and every approval.

I say, expand your R&D to 50% of the gross margin. That would be more valuable than all of your silly TV advertising. I for one will always prescribe a generic if need be, because I have friends who work at Lilly and it's simply deplorable. You folks cause more depression than you cure, did you know that?
 








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The day will come http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/05/weekinreview/05drugs.html when a drug company does not enthusiastically promote a new drug simply because it can be approved. As an MD I can tell you that just being "approved" is a bare minimum. It's just not good enough. You greedy bastards think that you don't need any new drugs until your current patents run out. Wrong. You should have been improving on your current medication list just after each and every approval.

I say, expand your R&D to 50% of the gross margin. That would be more valuable than all of your silly TV advertising. I for one will always prescribe a generic if need be, because I have friends who work at Lilly and it's simply deplorable. You folks cause more depression than you cure, did you know that?
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My, how noble you are to prescribe generics to save your patients money while sticking it to big pharma. You are a gentleman and a scholar. Of course, it was big pharma that originally developed the generics you prescribe to treat your patients. BTW, I don't know of any pharmaceutical company that promotes drugs to "cure" depression. That you think depression can be cured speaks volumes about your medical sophistication. Oh, yeah, and the fact that you trawl Cafepharma.
 




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My, how noble you are to prescribe generics to save your patients money while sticking it to big pharma. You are a gentleman and a scholar. Of course, it was big pharma that originally developed the generics you prescribe to treat your patients. BTW, I don't know of any pharmaceutical company that promotes drugs to "cure" depression. That you think depression can be cured speaks volumes about your medical sophistication. Oh, yeah, and the fact that you trawl Cafepharma.
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Those are my patients' terms. And yes, they know about Cafepharma too.

But no, most of your "discoveries" are actually the work of smaller firms. For example, ICOS, Amylin. Just when was the last successful drug discovered by your company? Name one and I'll let you take me to dinner.
 








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The day will come http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/05/weekinreview/05drugs.html when a drug company does not enthusiastically promote a new drug simply because it can be approved. As an MD I can tell you that just being "approved" is a bare minimum. It's just not good enough. You greedy bastards think that you don't need any new drugs until your current patents run out. Wrong. You should have been improving on your current medication list just after each and every approval.

I say, expand your R&D to 50% of the gross margin. That would be more valuable than all of your silly TV advertising. I for one will always prescribe a generic if need be, because I have friends who work at Lilly and it's simply deplorable. You folks cause more depression than you cure, did you know that?
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Doctor, I was a part of the pharmaceutical industry from 1970 to 2000. During that time, lots of discoveries of antibiotics were made, a lot of them by Lilly. But it got so that every time a new antibiotic was discovered and brought to market, doctors would whine and complain...."do we really need another new, expensive antibiotic." And trying to get a new antibiotic past the P & T committee at a hospital....and get sneered at by the ivory tower insipid internist/infectious disease idiots was almost impossible.

So, pharma companies who had the resources and research skills finally said "screw it with new antibiotics."

Now look. People are begging for new and effective antibiotics to use on all kinds of vicious infections.......meanwhile, the pharma companies, the ones who knew how to do it, have turned their backs on developing new discoveries in antibiotics because of the sniveling idiots who always tried to denigrate the efforts.

If it weren't so serious, I would think it is delicious karma on all of you smart-ass doctors who like to throw crap at pharmaceutical companies. Like someone else said on this thread, all of the great generics you have now, and will have shortly, came from discoveries by big pharma. If you are so hung up on bashing big pharma and so much in love with your current generics, I challenge you to never prescribe Levaquin when it goes generic, or Lipitor when it goes generic, or Avodart when it goes generic, or Celebrex when it goes generic, or Plavix when it goes generic.

Yes sir, doc, you just stay with the generics you have right now....see how long your practice lasts. And, by the way, why don't you have all of your insulin using patients go back to using insulin that comes from cows and pigs. See how many of those patients stay with you.
 




Well then how many new antibiotics are likely to come from LRL this decade? Are there other companies that are more active? I would really truly like to know. The last time that I needed an antibiotic (for a tick bite) it was a triple-cocktail, 5-day treatment that was nothing less than a small miracle. Yup I would agree, most of us owe our lives to antibiotics.

I know from the internal news that we are very big on animal antibiotics. What else is new?

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Doctor, I was a part of the pharmaceutical industry from 1970 to 2000. During that time, lots of discoveries of antibiotics were made, a lot of them by Lilly. But it got so that every time a new antibiotic was discovered and brought to market, doctors would whine and complain...."do we really need another new, expensive antibiotic." And trying to get a new antibiotic past the P & T committee at a hospital....and get sneered at by the ivory tower insipid internist/infectious disease idiots was almost impossible.

So, pharma companies who had the resources and research skills finally said "screw it with new antibiotics."

Now look. People are begging for new and effective antibiotics to use on all kinds of vicious infections.......meanwhile, the pharma companies, the ones who knew how to do it, have turned their backs on developing new discoveries in antibiotics because of the sniveling idiots who always tried to denigrate the efforts.

If it weren't so serious, I would think it is delicious karma on all of you smart-ass doctors who like to throw crap at pharmaceutical companies. Like someone else said on this thread, all of the great generics you have now, and will have shortly, came from discoveries by big pharma. If you are so hung up on bashing big pharma and so much in love with your current generics, I challenge you to never prescribe Levaquin when it goes generic, or Lipitor when it goes generic, or Avodart when it goes generic, or Celebrex when it goes generic, or Plavix when it goes generic.

Yes sir, doc, you just stay with the generics you have right now....see how long your practice lasts. And, by the way, why don't you have all of your insulin using patients go back to using insulin that comes from cows and pigs. See how many of those patients stay with you.
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Lilly sold a promising antibiotic called Oritavancin to Targanta which failed because of lack of funding. The abx was in the critical care portfolio led by Mark W and Bill M. so does anymore need to be said? Let go of the promising drugs and keep others. Xigris will still make money if the trial is a success and how could it not be with Mark as CMO, the corrupt medical officer. R & D is thrilled Mark is gone but it is a sad time for Xigris fans.
 




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Yes sir, doc, you just stay with the generics you have right now....see how long your practice lasts.
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Adding to that: If the people who screech at big pharma get their way, leading to a society where new drugs are rarely invented if at all, then there will be no source of growth for generics companies, and those companies will also go away - along with their products, of course. Even plain ol' aspirin could be hard to find. If you think that the idea of a simple, widespread commodity disappearing is absurd, consider that people in the Soviet Union rarely had access to toilet paper, and when they did manage to get some, it was full of splinters.

But that's worst-case-scenario speculation about the future. Here's the current state of drug shortages in America:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=136788289&ft=1&f=100
 




The scores of billions being blown on R&D have led to nothing. Thanks to funds being squandered on bloated bureaucratic blab-fests, and never ending meetings, ePM and CBT. Equipment is purchased to write-off and to star in photo-ops for the IndyStar and LilLie Lie Silence Minute, featuring the craven spokesmouth BaaaRRRt.
 




Anonymous said:
The day will come http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/05/weekinreview/05drugs.html when a drug company does not enthusiastically promote a new drug simply because it can be approved. As an MD I can tell you that just being "approved" is a bare minimum. It's just not good enough. You greedy bastards think that you don't need any new drugs until your current patents run out. Wrong. You should have been improving on your current medication list just after each and every approval.

I say, expand your R&D to 50% of the gross margin. That would be more valuable than all of your silly TV advertising. I for one will always prescribe a generic if need be, because I have friends who work at Lilly and it's simply deplorable. You folks cause more depression than you cure, did you know that?
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It's those high margins that fund my $20 million+ compensation package and it's those high margins that have allowed me to amass a personal fortune of over $300 million. Without these high margins my retirement to a life of ease would be in jeopardy. You speak non-sense. $$ JL $$
 




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Adding to that: If the people who screech at big pharma get their way, leading to a society where new drugs are rarely invented if at all, then there will be no source of growth for generics companies, and those companies will also go away - along with their products, of course. Even plain ol' aspirin could be hard to find. If you think that the idea of a simple, widespread commodity disappearing is absurd, consider that people in the Soviet Union rarely had access to toilet paper, and when they did manage to get some, it was full of splinters.

But that's worst-case-scenario speculation about the future. Here's the current state of drug shortages in America:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=136788289&ft=1&f=100
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Excellent point! Generic companies would belly up overnight if discoveries by big pharma dry up. I hope the idiot doc who started this thread will some day have the facts of life explained to him. He probably thinks that President O and his HHS secretary will take care of all new and needed drug discoveries. Sadly, if they do, it will probably be sustained release coke for the president, and e-marijuana cigarettes for his secretary of HHS.
 




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Excellent point! Generic companies would belly up overnight if discoveries by big pharma dry up. I hope the idiot doc who started this thread will some day have the facts of life explained to him. He probably thinks that President O and his HHS secretary will take care of all new and needed drug discoveries. Sadly, if they do, it will probably be sustained release coke for the president, and e-marijuana cigarettes for his secretary of HHS.
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Yes! Exactly.
 




Anonymous said:
Excellent point! Generic companies would belly up overnight if discoveries by big pharma dry up. I hope the idiot doc who started this thread will some day have the facts of life explained to him. He probably thinks that President O and his HHS secretary will take care of all new and needed drug discoveries. Sadly, if they do, it will probably be sustained release coke for the president, and e-marijuana cigarettes for his secretary of HHS.
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Both the Big Pharma and the generics would dry up if most people would just live a clean life style. Most of the sicknesses you try to treat are self inflicted.
 




Anonymous said:
The day will come http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/05/weekinreview/05drugs.html when a drug company does not enthusiastically promote a new drug simply because it can be approved. As an MD I can tell you that just being "approved" is a bare minimum. It's just not good enough. You greedy bastards think that you don't need any new drugs until your current patents run out. Wrong. You should have been improving on your current medication list just after each and every approval.

I say, expand your R&D to 50% of the gross margin. That would be more valuable than all of your silly TV advertising. I for one will always prescribe a generic if need be, because I have friends who work at Lilly and it's simply deplorable. You folks cause more depression than you cure, did you know that?
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If you look at the problems in health care today there is plenty of fault to go around. Pharma, hospitals that have mahogany paneling and doctors who are overpaid and and practice a lot of knee-jerk medicine. So take a deep breath and ask yourself what you can do. And yes big pharma is guilty of greed - just like the bulk of the entire health care industry.
 




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Both the Big Pharma and the generics would dry up if most people would just live a clean life style. Most of the sicknesses you try to treat are self inflicted.
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You mean like uerine cancer, or breast cancer, or prostate cancer, or H1N1 flu, or rabies?

Or do you mean like AIDS, or type ll diabetes, or obesity?

Try getting your HR department of diversity to tell gay employees that clean living will stop them from getting AIDS! See how that works for you.
 








Anonymous said:
The day will come http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/05/weekinreview/05drugs.html when a drug company does not enthusiastically promote a new drug simply because it can be approved. As an MD I can tell you that just being "approved" is a bare minimum. It's just not good enough. You greedy bastards think that you don't need any new drugs until your current patents run out. Wrong. You should have been improving on your current medication list just after each and every approval.

I say, expand your R&D to 50% of the gross margin. That would be more valuable than all of your silly TV advertising. I for one will always prescribe a generic if need be, because I have friends who work at Lilly and it's simply deplorable. You folks cause more depression than you cure, did you know that?
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Yep, that's just what this board needs.....another whiny doctor....the kind we have to listen to every day in our work. Especially at a time when Lilly and other companies are escorting employees to the parking lots on a daily basis. Thanks doc, you are special. Need a pen?
 




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Those are my patients' terms. And yes, they know about Cafepharma too.

But no, most of your "discoveries" are actually the work of smaller firms. For example, ICOS, Amylin. Just when was the last successful drug discovered by your company? Name one and I'll let you take me to dinner.
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Typical. MD (or so he says) dumps on the pharma industry and then expects a free dinner. The Grenada Medical School just isn't turning out a quality product any more.
 








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