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Ok here's the deal..

Woman. Single. In 30's. No kids. Not a lot of debt. Making less than 100k now in a sales job that pays ok but not great (in the 80's annually), pharma perks (car, phone etc.) a great culture that cares about employees and is a very stable and solid company and has been around awhile. I have a great QOL b/c its pretty much a no brainer job with not high accountability and a boring non innovative product. I'm bored, feel unchallenged, unmotivated and burnt out. BUT I don't want to be too ungrateful b/c (1) I have a job and (2) I am getting a decent paycheck and haven't experienced any stress doing this job.

However, Bonuses and commission SUCK! I'm constantly finishing over 100% and still have only cleared no more than the 80's between base and bonus. We are also capped.

I'm ready to move to the next level as I love sales but only when I am being challenged, have a great innovative product to sell and i am paid well for my performance and hard work. I have been wanting to get into med sales and was told about this position by a recruiter.

Bascially my dilemma is this. i have read enough posts on here that say run like hell from this company or opportunity with less than a few people who gave a truly balanced opinion. But overall idea I get is this company has an awesome product, horrible culture, is churn and burn (lucky to last over 2-3 years), micromanaged, you pretty much don't have a life, BUT pays very well if you put in the time and perform under all of the stress.

I'm not a person that believes money is everything or worth losing your sanity, but i have a very specific goal over the next 2-3 years, and that is to make as much money as I can even if that means sacrificing what little life I have. I am no longer looking for a career or growth opportunities within a company anymore as I have already made up my mind, i will pursue my passions ( in the creative field) and eventually become an entrepenuer in that field. But i definitley need to have a nice savings set aside to do that.

So. i plan on striking out on my own in the next 2-3 years and I can only do that if I am able to make enough money in bonuses and comission to stash away and save for when I do make that move. I fugure now is the perfect time to do such a thing b/c I don't have a family or kids to worry about.

I cant do that in my currect "safe" position now, and I realize I may have to accept or look for more aggressive sales opportunties like this that may require long hours, micromanaging and high accountability. what i am saying is, if i am going to take a job that is very aggressive and demanding of my time and its mostly work, but it pays awesome based on performance and the product is actually innovative and fun to sell or serves a purpose in people's lives (IOW's I and/or the product is actually helping to make a difference in people's lives) should I do it despite the bad? I am not looking for a career anymore since I already know what i want to do with the rest of my life.

I am willing to work my arse off to do it.

So given my situation - is it still worth it to pursue this opportunity? Like I said, i wouldn't do it if I had a family or kids or even in a serious Long-term relationship, but right now I am only acocuntable to myself and feel if i can last 2-3 years here that would be good despiite the horrible culture and other things I have read here.

I am really a hard worker, and go getter, but i find only when I know I will be paid well for my efforts is when I really go for it. Other than that I feel unmotivated and un challenged if I am not making decent bonuses and commissions - espcially when I am performing.

So my questoin is - in my case does is make sense to simply go for the money and deal with the downside for a short period of time or should i keep looking for a middle of the road opportunity where I can still make decent money (maybe nothing cose to what is made here) and still have a work/life balance?

Serious replies would be appreciated!! :) I'm just curious as to how others here view it since you work here. And honest and balanced reviews would be great even if you are angry at the company or were shafted.
 






Anonymous said:
Ok here's the deal..

Woman. Single. In 30's. No kids. Not a lot of debt. Making less than 100k now in a sales job that pays ok but not great (in the 80's annually), pharma perks (car, phone etc.) a great culture that cares about employees and is a very stable and solid company and has been around awhile. I have a great QOL b/c its pretty much a no brainer job with not high accountability and a boring non innovative product. I'm bored, feel unchallenged, unmotivated and burnt out. BUT I don't want to be too ungrateful b/c (1) I have a job and (2) I am getting a decent paycheck and haven't experienced any stress doing this job.

However, Bonuses and commission SUCK! I'm constantly finishing over 100% and still have only cleared no more than the 80's between base and bonus. We are also capped.

I'm ready to move to the next level as I love sales but only when I am being challenged, have a great innovative product to sell and i am paid well for my performance and hard work. I have been wanting to get into med sales and was told about this position by a recruiter.

Bascially my dilemma is this. i have read enough posts on here that say run like hell from this company or opportunity with less than a few people who gave a truly balanced opinion. But overall idea I get is this company has an awesome product, horrible culture, is churn and burn (lucky to last over 2-3 years), micromanaged, you pretty much don't have a life, BUT pays very well if you put in the time and perform under all of the stress.

I'm not a person that believes money is everything or worth losing your sanity, but i have a very specific goal over the next 2-3 years, and that is to make as much money as I can even if that means sacrificing what little life I have. I am no longer looking for a career or growth opportunities within a company anymore as I have already made up my mind, i will pursue my passions ( in the creative field) and eventually become an entrepenuer in that field. But i definitley need to have a nice savings set aside to do that.

So. i plan on striking out on my own in the next 2-3 years and I can only do that if I am able to make enough money in bonuses and comission to stash away and save for when I do make that move. I fugure now is the perfect time to do such a thing b/c I don't have a family or kids to worry about.

I cant do that in my currect "safe" position now, and I realize I may have to accept or look for more aggressive sales opportunties like this that may require long hours, micromanaging and high accountability. what i am saying is, if i am going to take a job that is very aggressive and demanding of my time and its mostly work, but it pays awesome based on performance and the product is actually innovative and fun to sell or serves a purpose in people's lives (IOW's I and/or the product is actually helping to make a difference in people's lives) should I do it despite the bad? I am not looking for a career anymore since I already know what i want to do with the rest of my life.

I am willing to work my arse off to do it.

So given my situation - is it still worth it to pursue this opportunity? Like I said, i wouldn't do it if I had a family or kids or even in a serious Long-term relationship, but right now I am only acocuntable to myself and feel if i can last 2-3 years here that would be good despiite the horrible culture and other things I have read here.

I am really a hard worker, and go getter, but i find only when I know I will be paid well for my efforts is when I really go for it. Other than that I feel unmotivated and un challenged if I am not making decent bonuses and commissions - espcially when I am performing.

So my questoin is - in my case does is make sense to simply go for the money and deal with the downside for a short period of time or should i keep looking for a middle of the road opportunity where I can still make decent money (maybe nothing cose to what is made here) and still have a work/life balance?

Serious replies would be appreciated!! :) I'm just curious as to how others here view it since you work here. And honest and balanced reviews would be great even if you are angry at the company or were shafted.
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Look, this is a nice, honest post... But you have to be honest with yourself... The fact that you went to this site to get advice is a sign of immaturity. Use some networking skills, and find a rep of similar background, and get their opinion. Most reps are very happy to speak directly about the job.

Youve opened yourself up for a world of criticsm. If your comfortable with the onslaught of what people are about to post about your diahrea of the mouth above... Then maybe you are ready for the stress ISI will give you.
 












If you get an interview...don't ramble so much.

What exactly are you asking?

It's a job, you should be able to build relationships and train surgical teams. There are a few more requirements but that is the heart of it.

The fact that you make $80k is going to make it very hard to get this job, or even an interview.
 


















You should look elsewhere unless you are presented with an opportunity at ISRG. Look at Stryker and small orthopedic companies. If you can land a Sales job, not as an associate or ASC then you can control your fortune. Be wary if you fail you will perish. Good luck.
 






Thank you for your serious and courteous reply and thanks for the advice!!!

:)

I just like to see other peoples perspective on what theyd do. Ultimatley i will make the best decision for myself. And i dont think its immature to ask others perpectives -especially those already working in the industry.

And to the posters above, this is not just relevant to Intuitive but for any other opportunities with other companies that may come up.
 












Anonymous said:
If you get an interview...don't ramble so much.

What exactly are you asking?

It's a job, you should be able to build relationships and train surgical teams. There are a few more requirements but that is the heart of it.

The fact that you make $80k is going to make it very hard to get this job, or even an interview.
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You nevvvvver know!!! I believe if the universe says so, then it will happen!!!!
 












Anonymous said:
Look, this is a nice, honest post... But you have to be honest with yourself... The fact that you went to this site to get advice is a sign of immaturity. Use some networking skills, and find a rep of similar background, and get their opinion. Most reps are very happy to speak directly about the job.

Youve opened yourself up for a world of criticsm. If your comfortable with the onslaught of what people are about to post about your diahrea of the mouth above... Then maybe you are ready for the stress ISI will give you.
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Lol! M'kay.
 












Anonymous said:
Thank you for your serious and courteous reply and thanks for the advice!!!

:)

I just like to see other peoples perspective on what theyd do. Ultimatley i will make the best decision for myself. And i dont think its immature to ask others perpectives -especially those already working in the industry.

And to the posters above, this is not just relevant to Intuitive but for any other opportunities with other companies that may come up.
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Theyd is not a word. You must be from the south. Dumbass...
 












Anonymous said:
Thank you for your serious and courteous reply and thanks for the advice!!!
:)
I just like to see other peoples perspective on what theyd do. Ultimatley i will make the best decision for myself. And i dont think its immature to ask others perpectives -especially those already working in the industry.

And to the posters above, this is not just relevant to Intuitive but for any other opportunities with other companies that may come up.
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You're right. It's not immature to ask other people's perspective. It's immature to post a giant monologue on CP about your 80K pharma job and how it's a great dilema that you face whether or not to apply for a job at Intuitive.
We don't care that you're a single woman in your 30's with no kids and a no brainer drug rep gig. I've been a CSR at Intuitive for 1 1/2 years and pray that you don't come to work for Intuitive anytime soon. You need some major time in the device world or at least a challenging job to prepare you for what it takes to be successful with ISI. We are very hard working folks who take our jobs and the people we hire very seriously. Almost too seriously. I think we've been guilty in the past of being almost too selective.
Seriously, get out there and find a device company or biotech company that will push you to be a better rep and will reward you for success. That's what my managers do and I'm glad I spent some years with Medtronic and Depuy before coming to ISI.
We've been pretty easy on you considering your original message but please take some time to challenge yourself before coming here and working your "arse" off somewhere else before you get on our payroll and fizzle out after 10 months.
 












Ah, come on guys. Give her a break. She is obviously new to medical device and just looking for some advice. Hard to advise someone if you don't know where their coming from.

In all honesty, it's true ISI would not consider your resume at this time. They typically recruit the strongest of the talent pool which consists of reps that have years of surgical clinical sales and surgical capital equipment experience with numerous accolades to back up their performance. I don't know anyone at ISI that came from a pharma background, different type of sale and not what the ISI recruiters are on the hunt for.

I would take the advice of the poster who encouraged you to apply for another position right now. Shoot for a surgical instruments company or device company that requires procedural support and education. If you can excel in this environment and prove it in a few years, ISI will most likely review your resume. They always have openings given the constant changing of the guards the company is known for.

Good luck!
 






Thanks soo much for your kind and courtesy reply!!

i think you are right, that possibly starting out with a smaller device company and then working my way up from there is best. that way i can get a feel of the environment.

issue is I am really so over where I am at now and want to get out as soon as possible. I'm bored to tears and everyday is just like going through the motions!

I'll try looking into smaller device comapnies. I have to admit though, that this job at ISI seems interesting simply b/c of of the really good innovative product it has. I would definitley be excited to sell a product like this and wouldn't get bored doing it.

But baby steps is best sometimes. Don't want to get too far in over my head.
 






Anonymous said:
You're right. It's not immature to ask other people's perspective. It's immature to post a giant monologue on CP about your 80K pharma job and how it's a great dilema that you face whether or not to apply for a job at Intuitive.
We don't care that you're a single woman in your 30's with no kids and a no brainer drug rep gig. I've been a CSR at Intuitive for 1 1/2 years and pray that you don't come to work for Intuitive anytime soon. You need some major time in the device world or at least a challenging job to prepare you for what it takes to be successful with ISI. We are very hard working folks who take our jobs and the people we hire very seriously. Almost too seriously. I think we've been guilty in the past of being almost too selective.
Seriously, get out there and find a device company or biotech company that will push you to be a better rep and will reward you for success. That's what my managers do and I'm glad I spent some years with Medtronic and Depuy before coming to ISI.
We've been pretty easy on you considering your original message but please take some time to challenge yourself before coming here and working your "arse" off somewhere else before you get on our payroll and fizzle out after 10 months.
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Wow. You really think you are great, don't you? Typical ISI attitude. News flash.... You sell a piece of equipment. You are not that awesome. Surgeons use the robot because they think it gets them some respect in the OR, not because of you. Get over yourself.
 






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