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I worded for another company previous to Novartis that did the same thing, so you always left a 1 bonus on the table when you went to work for another company. I heard from a high level person that they knew it was against the law and legally if someone ever challenged this in a court of law they would need to pay the bonus. However, they knew that nobody would ever sue over 1 quarter or 1 trimester of bonus..Atty fees alone are more than the law suite..Thus...companies continue to now pay out on the bonus that the employee had already earned.
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I "worked" for another company previous to Novartis that did the same thing, so you always left a 1 bonus on the table when you went to work for another company. I heard from a high level person that they knew it was against the law and legally if someone ever challenged this in a court of law they would need to pay the bonus. However, they knew that nobody would ever sue over 1 quarter or 1 trimester of bonus..Atty fees alone are more than the law suite..Thus...companies continue to now pay out on the bonus that the employee had already earned.
 






Message to Dagmar we are all working less because of your bag of tricks. What you have is a bunch of unhappy reps who are mailing it in. When sales drop off on a launch let's see how happy the Swiss will be with you. Better stock up on those fancy shoes.
 






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Message to Dagmar we are all working less because of your bag of tricks. What you have is a bunch of unhappy reps who are mailing it in. When sales drop off on a launch let's see how happy the Swiss will be with you. Better stock up on those fancy shoes.
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I was happy and working hard until this non compete incident happened. Now I trust no one. I now question if my hard work is worth it for a company that lies to its employees.
 






Anonymous said:
I was happy and working hard until this non compete incident happened. Now I trust no one. I now question if my hard work is worth it for a company that lies to its employees.
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Same here I lost all respect for Novartis. My ASM has said nothing acting like it never happened. My brother is a lawyer he looked at the non compete said it was a joke not to worry.
 






Anonymous said:
It really doesn't matter if it legal, last 3 months or if a timeframe exists. This is how NVS is using the non-compete. An employee gives notice to go to the competition ie.Biogen. NVS attorney's send a letter to Biogen informing them the new employee signed a non-compete. The new employee new job offer is retracted. Employee who left NVS is not without a job. Unless you decide to leave MS for awhile and return to MS you are not going to the competition. The only way I see a change is if the NVS MS employees form a class action suit against NVS because we were told this was NOT a non-compete. Still looking for evidence and I heard it is available stating we were NOT signing a non-compete.

NVS doesn't realize 1 point. When the bonus decrease, and it will, you will have an unhappy group of employees who are stuck and not working. You lose sales while keeping employees for many, many years who are not giving full effort. NVS - your trick to get us to sign the non-compete will backfire on the company in the end.
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How long is the non compete that you signed with Novartis? I would also let the company you are interviewing with know about the clause, they may still hire you. If you are not meeting the targeted bonus contact a lawyer to send a letter to NVS to tell them to back off. The letter should come from Sanford Wittels, they won the Velez suit.
 






Anonymous said:
I "worked" for another company previous to Novartis that did the same thing, so you always left a 1 bonus on the table when you went to work for another company. I heard from a high level person that they knew it was against the law and legally if someone ever challenged this in a court of law they would need to pay the bonus. However, they knew that nobody would ever sue over 1 quarter or 1 trimester of bonus..Atty fees alone are more than the law suite..Thus...companies continue to now pay out on the bonus that the employee had already earned.
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No attorney needed in small claims court.
 






Find an employment attorney that works near you. Unless you are going to court they do not have to be exceptionally good or expensive.

For non-competes, as soon as you think you may be interviewing, have the lawyer review the letter and write a letter to whom it may concern, your new employer, as to why the non-compete is invalid. Many of us have these from companies but they almost never hold water unless you are in a very high level position. Even then, there must be proof that what you worked on with your current company could be harmed by your move to a competitor. BTW, the hiring company that did not hire after they got the non compete are either spineless, or the candidate did not reveal the non-compete as they were supposed to. You are almost always asked to reveal these agreements.

For bonuses, there is a distinct legal difference between bonus and commission. If you receive year end bonus based on how the company does, you will not receive it if you leave. However, commission is treated legally as money you have earned and sales you have achieved during a set period of time. If the time perod, the quarter, has past, you can fight and earn the commission. Novartis policy here does not comply with legal rulings. New York has refused to allow companies to make forfeiture claims while California has upheld them. I have not fought Novartis on this, but another huge pharma company (they claim they are biotech, but they aren't). All it took was a well written letter from an employment attorney and my commission was paid. Your ability to fight varies based on the state laws and precedenes in your state but the companies benefit from most people rolling over and accepting non-payment.
 












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There is not a "non-compete" for reps, geezuz people, start worrying about other things, but not this...
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In MS there is a non compete for reps. It was initially signed to be for stock grants but 9 months later it turmed to a non compete. How do we know this? Someone from NVS left to go to the competition and NVS sent a letter to the new company. The NVS managers were given a script to read to the reps about the non compete. There is no one from legal to talk to and they are trying to keep this as quiet as possible.
 






Anonymous said:
Find an employment attorney that works near you. Unless you are going to court they do not have to be exceptionally good or expensive.

For non-competes, as soon as you think you may be interviewing, have the lawyer review the letter and write a letter to whom it may concern, your new employer, as to why the non-compete is invalid. Many of us have these from companies but they almost never hold water unless you are in a very high level position. Even then, there must be proof that what you worked on with your current company could be harmed by your move to a competitor. BTW, the hiring company that did not hire after they got the non compete are either spineless, or the candidate did not reveal the non-compete as they were supposed to. You are almost always asked to reveal these agreements.

For bonuses, there is a distinct legal difference between bonus and commission. If you receive year end bonus based on how the company does, you will not receive it if you leave. However, commission is treated legally as money you have earned and sales you have achieved during a set period of time. If the time perod, the quarter, has past, you can fight and earn the commission. Novartis policy here does not comply with legal rulings. New York has refused to allow companies to make forfeiture claims while California has upheld them. I have not fought Novartis on this, but another huge pharma company (they claim they are biotech, but they aren't). All it took was a well written letter from an employment attorney and my commission was paid. Your ability to fight varies based on the state laws and precedenes in your state but the companies benefit from most people rolling over and accepting non-payment.
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The issue is the rep who left did not know it was a non compete so most likely she did not mention it. Only after NVS realized the MS reps are being recruited elsewhere they decided to call this a non compete. We need someone to file a lawsuit immediately

Thanks for the bonus info
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I did not sign the non compete. The amount of people who would benefit from those stocks is extremely small and if you read it, it sounded very much like a non compete. The five phone calls and emails from HR "reminding me" that the "stock option" form was due back, was very tell tale.
 






As anyone who has worked here for a while will tell you...Don't trust them. So my many hours of taped conversations with my manager, RD and conference calls on this subject will play in my favor in the court of law. Especially when HR says in one of the calls....This IS NOT a non-compete.......game on Novartis!
 






Anonymous said:
As anyone who has worked here for a while will tell you...Don't trust them. So my many hours of taped conversations with my manager, RD and conference calls on this subject will play in my favor in the court of law. Especially when HR says in one of the calls....This IS NOT a non-compete.......game on Novartis!
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If you actually have a tape stating this is not a non-compete put it online so someone who did not tape it can benefit from it. The person who lost out on the job because of Novartis telling the new company would be financially responsible. Make them pay that is the only thing they care about. Stand up and fight. Don't let them steamroll over you. This is America stand up and be proud.
 






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