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Thank you, it's good to hear from someone from the other side who understands. From my perspective, it's more of a game of chicken right now. Healthcare systems are working to save $$ in every way possible. Where everyone can benefit is when manufacturers want to be partners with the system rather than fight them. Ultimately, we know we won't change surgeon's preferences. At my hospital system, they either like EES or Covidien. There are those in the middle that are willing to change, but it's not a significant percentage of the users. We still fight our internal battles to change preferences and to push reprocessing. It's not an easy task because reprocessing already is perceived negatively due to OEM marketing and discussions, past experiences (with reprocessed devices way back when the reprocessing industry was just starting off) and from cohort discussions. But hospitals can't afford to give up on the fight because, for our system alone, we save $2.5m each year on reprocessing. While we can't expect OEMs like EES to take a $2.5m hit to their bottom line, we just need you to step to the plate. Acknowledge that reprocessing is here to stay, but give us a better option for saving $$. If you do so, I can guarantee we can pull the plug on reprocessing quickly and, as long as you stay our partner, it won't come back.

I'm a patient at your hospital...

1. Am I given a choice when I am scheduled for surgery whether or not I receive a new device or a reprocessed single use device?

2. Since you mentioned a savings of 2.5 million, how will that savings be passed to me(the patient)?

3. If I am paying cash for my surgical procedure and you use a reprocessed device on me, will I be charged for the lower cost, reprocessed device or will you charge me for the cost of a new, OEM device?

4. Do you advertise to your patients or your community that you reprocess single use devices? If you reprocess and the hospital across the street doesn't, shouldn't I have a right to know that so that I can make an informed choice of which hospital I would like to go to for my surgical procedure?
 






Assuming MM means Materials Management, I never implied that I was in that position with my hospital system. I am legit in that I have a strategic role in my hospital system and I'll continue on here because I don't see how you will stop me. Thanks.

I also never inferred that I wanted a rep as a friend. You need to think outside the box and not so narrow-mindedly. I am asking for a partner in that it is a mutually beneficial relationship. How can I be 'truly delusional' if you yourself state that it 'occasionally' will happen? Obviously the partnership mentality is a stretch for uber aggressive alphas, but those are only the reps that you're thinking of. Not to say that the Regional Corporate Account Directors are not alphas themselves, but they understand the business at a much higher level than reps. You may see it as "Here is my product line, how do I make lots of $$?" The people I deal with see it as "Here is my company, how do I work with [Insert Hospital System] to advance/increase my book of business?" That's the level of partnership I'm talking about. They see the whole book of business and understand that a relationship is the only way to get things done with the help of hospital leadership. Believe me, if their only goal is to get paid and make us spend more money, you can bet that we're not standing for that. If you're willing to partner with us and understand the limitations that we are under as health care providers, the path for your success and ours may be more alike than you comprehend. Otherwise, it's an uphill battle and we'll fight you every step of the way.

You tell me which tactic sounds more appealing.

If you continue to maintain your alpha uber aggressive mentality and approach your role in our hospitals that way, then I think you won't be using your tactics in our hospitals for very long. It's time for you to face facts that you need to work with hospitals and not against. You're right that CF is not a venue designed for/targeted to hospital staff, but when we are trying to help you understand how to potentially be better at your job, don't you think it would be a good idea to listen anyways?

You make good points. Keep in mind you are arguing with a Ethicon rep who calls himself uber alpha aggressive. Really? Ethicon is the pharma of devices and zero selling goes on here. Its all contract based.

Ethicon reps know they are bottom of the barrel so they feel the need to pump themselves up. Go do your inventory and realize reprocessing is here and will continue to kick your ass. Next.
 






I'm a patient at your hospital...

1. Am I given a choice when I am scheduled for surgery whether or not I receive a new device or a reprocessed single use device?

2. Since you mentioned a savings of 2.5 million, how will that savings be passed to me(the patient)?

3. If I am paying cash for my surgical procedure and you use a reprocessed device on me, will I be charged for the lower cost, reprocessed device or will you charge me for the cost of a new, OEM device?

4. Do you advertise to your patients or your community that you reprocess single use devices? If you reprocess and the hospital across the street doesn't, shouldn't I have a right to know that so that I can make an informed choice of which hospital I would like to go to for my surgical procedure?

Good questions.

1) Our hospital system Regulatory and Risk department made a decision in 2005 that reprocessed devices were "like new" in our view, to maintain consistency with FDA policy and ruling. Given this stance, we don't offer our patients the choice to use an Ethicon Harmonic vs a Valley Lab Ligasure or a Gyrus SonoSurg (all three are used in our hospital system), so it would be unfair to single out reprocessed harmonics for patient consent. I know not everyone agrees with this strategy, but our system had to make a decision on how we viewed reprocessing and that was our decision in 2005 based on all the information available.

2) We are a non-profit organization so supplies savings like reprocessing are reinvested directly into our system to improve patient care/experience. With reprocessing specifically, we even tied reprocessing usage/performance to capital dollars to motivate staff and departments to use reprocessed devices. These capital dollars could be used as the departments chose towards capital investments.

3) Our hospital costs based on a weighted average cost system. So, based on our reprocessing decision in 2005, all harmonics are grouped together to determine cost. Depending on our % usage of reprocessed, the greater the number of reprocessed harmonics used, the lower the average cost for all patients. You may argue that if a reprocessed harmonic is used in your case, that you are essentially still paying an inflated cost and not the actual cost of the device. I challenge those who argue this point to show me a healthcare system that is detailed enough to charge patients the actual cost of the device with no mark-up schedule. Show me that and i'll show you a healthcare system that won't be in business for long, or is a benchmark that all others should follow.

4) Sites like Carol.com and others to follow help to bring visibility to the true cost of care for patients. We don't know what our neighbor hospital pays for supplies or charges for care so we have no right or obligation to share what we charge or pay either. We have clinical service lines in place that are led by clinicians to look at, amongst other things, the total cost of care within our system and within that clinical service line. It is one of their tasks to use the information available to do their part in helping to reduce cost of care through standardization of procedures, standardization of supplies and standardization of clinical delivery. I do not think the burden should be on the healthcare providers to help their patients choose the most cost efficient provider of services. That is counter-intuitive to business strategy. While we are a non-profit, we're not out to shoot ourselves in the foot. I think part of that burden has to be the responsibility of the patient, to be an informed consumer of health care services. We don't go out and buy a car/refrigerator/washer without shopping around first and asking the appropriate questions. Why should the healthcare industry be held to a different set of standards?

Like I said at the beginning, these are good questions and I don't think we have the perfect answers/solutions to them. We do the best we can with the information we have, and I think we do a great job at that. Is there room to improve? Yes, there always is. I feel that we would have more time to focus on improving if we weren't stuck spending time pushing reprocessing initiatives forward only to be hampered by OEM counter-detailing.
 






You make good points. Keep in mind you are arguing with a Ethicon rep who calls himself uber alpha aggressive. Really? Ethicon is the pharma of devices and zero selling goes on here. Its all contract based.

Ethicon reps know they are bottom of the barrel so they feel the need to pump themselves up. Go do your inventory and realize reprocessing is here and will continue to kick your ass. Next.

Did you even read my original post? I never stated that I was an Ethicon rep, I'm an implant rep. I also never called myself uber alpha aggressive. I stated that companies seek those type of people to make a profit.

Sweet jesus, if you're going to bash Ethicon, fine but don't use my post as an example because you obviously don't know how to read.

I have to ask though, what market of medical sales are you in that allows you to look down on Ethicon? What makes you so special? How small is your p@nis that you have to come on CF to bash a company to make yourself feel better? Obviously you've been on here a lot because your comments are that same thing over and over again, "ethicon is the pharma of device".

According to you, the ethicon reps are the bottom of the barrel so they feel the need to pump themselves up but you're here bashing them to pump yourself up. The irony of it all..
 






Good questions.

1) Our hospital system Regulatory and Risk department made a decision in 2005 that reprocessed devices were "like new" in our view, to maintain consistency with FDA policy and ruling. Given this stance, we don't offer our patients the choice to use an Ethicon Harmonic vs a Valley Lab Ligasure or a Gyrus SonoSurg (all three are used in our hospital system), so it would be unfair to single out reprocessed harmonics for patient consent. I know not everyone agrees with this strategy, but our system had to make a decision on how we viewed reprocessing and that was our decision in 2005 based on all the information available.

2) We are a non-profit organization so supplies savings like reprocessing are reinvested directly into our system to improve patient care/experience. With reprocessing specifically, we even tied reprocessing usage/performance to capital dollars to motivate staff and departments to use reprocessed devices. These capital dollars could be used as the departments chose towards capital investments.

3) Our hospital costs based on a weighted average cost system. So, based on our reprocessing decision in 2005, all harmonics are grouped together to determine cost. Depending on our % usage of reprocessed, the greater the number of reprocessed harmonics used, the lower the average cost for all patients. You may argue that if a reprocessed harmonic is used in your case, that you are essentially still paying an inflated cost and not the actual cost of the device. I challenge those who argue this point to show me a healthcare system that is detailed enough to charge patients the actual cost of the device with no mark-up schedule. Show me that and i'll show you a healthcare system that won't be in business for long, or is a benchmark that all others should follow.

4) Sites like Carol.com and others to follow help to bring visibility to the true cost of care for patients. We don't know what our neighbor hospital pays for supplies or charges for care so we have no right or obligation to share what we charge or pay either. We have clinical service lines in place that are led by clinicians to look at, amongst other things, the total cost of care within our system and within that clinical service line. It is one of their tasks to use the information available to do their part in helping to reduce cost of care through standardization of procedures, standardization of supplies and standardization of clinical delivery. I do not think the burden should be on the healthcare providers to help their patients choose the most cost efficient provider of services. That is counter-intuitive to business strategy. While we are a non-profit, we're not out to shoot ourselves in the foot. I think part of that burden has to be the responsibility of the patient, to be an informed consumer of health care services. We don't go out and buy a car/refrigerator/washer without shopping around first and asking the appropriate questions. Why should the healthcare industry be held to a different set of standards?

Like I said at the beginning, these are good questions and I don't think we have the perfect answers/solutions to them. We do the best we can with the information we have, and I think we do a great job at that. Is there room to improve? Yes, there always is. I feel that we would have more time to focus on improving if we weren't stuck spending time pushing reprocessing initiatives forward only to be hampered by OEM counter-detailing.

My issue with your stance is a moral issue. You're taking a single use device that was used for one patient and giving it to me. Now, you or I have ZERO clue where that device came from or who it was used on. We don't know anything about that previous patient. So if that person has a cancer, infection, etc. we'll never know. Now, if I get an infection from that device, guess who pays for that? Me. The problem is that hospitals are petri dishes and we'll never know if the infection came from the reprocessed device or something else that I came in contact with at the hospital. Hospitals will never share infection rates with the public and I'm guessing that you'd never do a study on infection rates of patients who use new single use devices vs. patients who use reprocessed devices. Did you even bother to track infection rates post-op after you made your decision to reprocess in 2005 to see if there was any increase?

So you're saving 2.5 million and guess who is taking all of the risk on your decision? Me, the patient.

Why is it unfair to single out reprocessed single use devices on a consent form? I'm a patient with insurance or I'm a cash paying patient, I should have the choice. However, I can see why you wouldn't want to do that. 1. The patients would refuse and you'd have to buy new(which eats into your bottom line) or 2. Cash payers or people with insurance would reject the notion and the people without insurance would get them because they cannot affort the new devices which creates a whole other moral issue.

Here's what concerns me about your posts, there isn't much concern about patient care or good patient outcomes. It's about saving 2.5 million.
 






Did you even read my original post? I never stated that I was an Ethicon rep, I'm an implant rep. I also never called myself uber alpha aggressive. I stated that companies seek those type of people to make a profit.

Sweet jesus, if you're going to bash Ethicon, fine but don't use my post as an example because you obviously don't know how to read.

I have to ask though, what market of medical sales are you in that allows you to look down on Ethicon? What makes you so special? How small is your p@nis that you have to come on CF to bash a company to make yourself feel better? Obviously you've been on here a lot because your comments are that same thing over and over again, "ethicon is the pharma of device".

According to you, the ethicon reps are the bottom of the barrel so they feel the need to pump themselves up but you're here bashing them to pump yourself up. The irony of it all..

I love how implant guy and ethicion pharma guy come on our site. The only thing getting implanted at ethicon is a fat willy that jnj shoves up our asses. Go away both of you.
 






My issue with your stance is a moral issue. You're taking a single use device that was used for one patient and giving it to me. Now, you or I have ZERO clue where that device came from or who it was used on. We don't know anything about that previous patient. So if that person has a cancer, infection, etc. we'll never know. Now, if I get an infection from that device, guess who pays for that? Me. The problem is that hospitals are petri dishes and we'll never know if the infection came from the reprocessed device or something else that I came in contact with at the hospital. Hospitals will never share infection rates with the public and I'm guessing that you'd never do a study on infection rates of patients who use new single use devices vs. patients who use reprocessed devices. Did you even bother to track infection rates post-op after you made your decision to reprocess in 2005 to see if there was any increase?

So you're saving 2.5 million and guess who is taking all of the risk on your decision? Me, the patient.

Why is it unfair to single out reprocessed single use devices on a consent form? I'm a patient with insurance or I'm a cash paying patient, I should have the choice. However, I can see why you wouldn't want to do that. 1. The patients would refuse and you'd have to buy new(which eats into your bottom line) or 2. Cash payers or people with insurance would reject the notion and the people without insurance would get them because they cannot affort the new devices which creates a whole other moral issue.

Here's what concerns me about your posts, there isn't much concern about patient care or good patient outcomes. It's about saving 2.5 million.

Your issue may be a moral one, but for us it is not. We solved our moral issue when we made our decision on reprocessing many years back. We decided, with input from providers, that reprocessed items are 'like new" and therefore they are one and the same in our eyes. This decision is what allows us to do the cost averaging to pass on savings to the patients. If we chose to view the items as different, then we get into the financial and moral issue of who gets reprocessed and who doesn't? Do we use reprocessed on the cash paying or indigent population? What does that represent from a moral standpoint that these populations get the, in yours and OEM views, inferior and cheaper product? And again, it goes back to my point that, if we offer the patient the choice on new or reprocessed, we also should offer the choice between new and reposable or Ethicon and Covidien, etc. All these products are different in terms of how they operate, seal, cut, etc. I ask why we should single out reprocessing on the consent form because, if we do, then the question should be asked about all other products, manufacturers, technologies. If we ask if a patient wants new or reprocessed, we should really be asking them exactly which products they want used in their procedure.

As for the infection discussion, I pointed out in an earlier post that the level of bioburden remaining on reprocessed devices is far smaller than that of in-house hospital sterilized items. I know this because our Central Sterilization department leads visited a reprocessing facility and viewed their process and compared cleaning guidelines. The fact of the matter is that 1) yes, the FDA allows reprocessing but views it as a higher risk activity than in-house sterilization and 2) that is why the reprocessing industry is regulated by tighter standards than in-house sterilization guidelines. Not to mention the fact that the bioburden is inactivated through the use of heat and cleaning agents so that it should pose no threat to the patient. Does my argument invalidate yours? I don't think so, but I think it lends credibility to a discussion or study. I suggest that OEMs stop spending millions on their anti-reprocessing marketing campaigns and just focus a portion on doing a true study of reprocessed versus new devices. Like I've said before, show me (and the FDA) true evidence of the dangers of reprocessed devices, and we'll stop. But don't keep throwing pictures and scare tactics at me and my staff to scare us into not using reprocessed devices.

As for risk, do you have any idea what hospitals and clinicians pay for insurance to cover ourselves for the potential of a malpractice lawsuit? Risk is not just on the patients. It is on our clinicians and hospital system as well. The $2.5million that we save? It doesn't go back into our pockets or to our investors. It goes to funding capital, buying the newest technologies and into improving overall patient care. Is the risk to the patient, clinician and hospital worth it? Absolutely because it allows us to offer you the most advanced healthcare services possible. In fact, it's a little ridiculous to think that we are focused only on the savings rather than patient outcomes. First, like I said, the savings mean nothing to us other than investing into our organization and into the patient experience. Second, IF our focus was only on savings as much money as possible and not on providing quality care, surely we wouldn't be long for this business! How could we be working towards becoming an accredited ACO without demonstrating the necessary patient outcome data to prove that our hospital system provides quality services?

I'll make a quick argument about the "single-use devices" point. Who came up with the Single Use designation? Was the designation made out of technical necessity or marketing necessity? If you argue that technically the devices were designed to be used once, if the reprocessors can prove that they can sterilize the product and function test it before it leaves their premises, doesn't the devices techically function then??

Ah, the magic of EMR. Our electronic medical records allows us to actually pinpoint which patients were given reprocessed devices and which ones new devices. It's actually quite simple when you use a different hospital item number to identify each device as our EMR tracks which items were used in each case. When a patient goes under the knife, they are exposed to a number of different factors that could lead to an SSI or otherwise. We could say that reprocessed devices are one such factor, but that would be true for anything else (improperly cleaned OR and surfaces, infected in-house sterilized instruments, improper cleansing by clinicians, etc.). In fact, any hospital system that has been participating in the SCIP campaign over the last few years, as we have, should be able to readily say that they are doing everything to minimize variability in surgical procedures so that outliers or faults can be identified.

I think you need to rethink this from the hospital's point of view, specifically a non-profit hospital. Most of your arguments are from a for-profit perspective based on your thinking that we only look at the bottom line. No hospital would survive if their only focus was on increasing profit margins. None. It's a much simpler focus, certainly, but it wouldn't allow any of us to be in this industry for long. When you are the one providing health care services, you absolutely have to be focused on outcomes and quality of care. Of course we are always looking for ways to save money as it allows us to provide higher quality of care through advanced technologies, etc, but that can't be our only focus as we would lose sight of what really brought us to this service in the first place, the patient and their care.
 






In Europe, where they don't just take the reprocessors word that a product is sterile, they have banned reprocessing. We're talking about countries who have socialized healthcare and are known to be cheap when it comes to medical devices and THEY DON'T use reprocessed devices.

(Global Perspectives: Europe) Latest News Regarding the Reprocessing of Single-Use Medical Devices in the EU


By: René Clément, Co-Chairman, MediMark Europe



René Clément

Today, a few countries in the EU allow the reprocessing of single-use medical devices and have developed corresponding guidelines (e.g., Germany), while some countries completely prohibit this practice (e.g., France).

The new Article 12a of the Directive 93/42/EEC such as amended by Directive 2007/47/EC requested the European Commission (EC) to submit, no later than September 5, 2010, a report to the European Parliament and the Council on the issue of the reprocessing of medical devices in the European Community.

This report was published at the end of August and represents an assessment of the issues regarding public health, ethical, legal, economic, and environmental factors. It includes the scientific opinion of the Committee on Emerging and Newly Identified Health Risks (SCENIHR) concerning the safety of reprocessed medical devices marketed for single use. The main findings from the report include the following:

Risks and hazards identified by SCENIHR. Remaining contamination, remnants of chemical substances used during the reprocessing process, and alterations in the performance of the single-use medical devices due to the reprocessing represent the three major hazards that pose a specific problem regarding the elimination of prion contamination, since only relatively aggressive cleaning methods that are not compatible with commonly used materials can ensure prion inactivation. The risk is highest when the reprocessed single-use medical device is used in a critical procedure (i.e., an invasive medical procedure). In contrast, the risk is much lower for non-critical medical procedures in which reprocessed single-use medical devices are used.

Ethical and liability considerations. Ethical concerns are raised in terms of potential inequalities among patients, and the consent of patients needs to be considered. Patients with poor insurance coverage would be more likely to accept secondhand devices. Regarding liability, it would be necessary to clarify the responsibilities of each stakeholder, such as the responsibility of the original manufacturer in case of failures and medical complications due to the reprocessing practice. The requirements regarding the labeling of reprocessed single-use medical devices shall be clarified, in particular for the purpose of the traceability of these devices.

Economic considerations. The economic considerations are the main driver in the reprocessing of single-use medical devices. To date, most of the published economic data do not draw any conclusions on the cost effectiveness of the reprocessing of single-use medical devices because indirect costs are not included and the reprocessing is not performed with a sufficiently equivalent level of quality and safety. However, a recent study performed in Belgium demonstrates that, in a case in which an equivalent level of safety and quality was achieved for reprocessed single-use angiography catheters, the cost of these reprocessed devices was higher than the cost of new single-use angiography catheters.

Environmental considerations. Environmental considerations are usually advocated as another argument in favor of reprocessing single-use medical devices. The increasing use of single-use medical devices has a negative impact on the environment, due in particular to the resources needed for the raw material production, the manufacturing, the transport, and the management of the waste generated after their use. However, the reprocessing practice also has a negative environmental impact that must be taken into consideration (e.g., the use of chemical substances).

The EC is currently assessing the appropriate measures to be put forward in the context of the Recast of the Medical Devices Directives. We believe that reprocessing of single-use devices will be permitted only for devices that are not used in surgically invasive medical procedures and with a validated reprocessing procedure for each device. Since hospitals will not be able to validate their reprocessing processes, only third-party reprocessing companies will be able to comply with any corresponding standards or guidelines.

The full EC commission report can be downloaded at ec.europa.eu/consumers/sectors/medical-devices/files/pdfdocs/reprocessing_report_en.pdf.
 






In Europe, where they don't just take the reprocessors word that a product is sterile, they have banned reprocessing. We're talking about countries who have socialized healthcare and are known to be cheap when it comes to medical devices and THEY DON'T use reprocessed devices.

(Global Perspectives: Europe) Latest News Regarding the Reprocessing of Single-Use Medical Devices in the EU


By: René Clément, Co-Chairman, MediMark Europe



René Clément

Today, a few countries in the EU allow the reprocessing of single-use medical devices and have developed corresponding guidelines (e.g., Germany), while some countries completely prohibit this practice (e.g., France).

The new Article 12a of the Directive 93/42/EEC such as amended by Directive 2007/47/EC requested the European Commission (EC) to submit, no later than September 5, 2010, a report to the European Parliament and the Council on the issue of the reprocessing of medical devices in the European Community.

This report was published at the end of August and represents an assessment of the issues regarding public health, ethical, legal, economic, and environmental factors. It includes the scientific opinion of the Committee on Emerging and Newly Identified Health Risks (SCENIHR) concerning the safety of reprocessed medical devices marketed for single use. The main findings from the report include the following:

Risks and hazards identified by SCENIHR. Remaining contamination, remnants of chemical substances used during the reprocessing process, and alterations in the performance of the single-use medical devices due to the reprocessing represent the three major hazards that pose a specific problem regarding the elimination of prion contamination, since only relatively aggressive cleaning methods that are not compatible with commonly used materials can ensure prion inactivation. The risk is highest when the reprocessed single-use medical device is used in a critical procedure (i.e., an invasive medical procedure). In contrast, the risk is much lower for non-critical medical procedures in which reprocessed single-use medical devices are used.

Ethical and liability considerations. Ethical concerns are raised in terms of potential inequalities among patients, and the consent of patients needs to be considered. Patients with poor insurance coverage would be more likely to accept secondhand devices. Regarding liability, it would be necessary to clarify the responsibilities of each stakeholder, such as the responsibility of the original manufacturer in case of failures and medical complications due to the reprocessing practice. The requirements regarding the labeling of reprocessed single-use medical devices shall be clarified, in particular for the purpose of the traceability of these devices.

Economic considerations. The economic considerations are the main driver in the reprocessing of single-use medical devices. To date, most of the published economic data do not draw any conclusions on the cost effectiveness of the reprocessing of single-use medical devices because indirect costs are not included and the reprocessing is not performed with a sufficiently equivalent level of quality and safety. However, a recent study performed in Belgium demonstrates that, in a case in which an equivalent level of safety and quality was achieved for reprocessed single-use angiography catheters, the cost of these reprocessed devices was higher than the cost of new single-use angiography catheters.

Environmental considerations. Environmental considerations are usually advocated as another argument in favor of reprocessing single-use medical devices. The increasing use of single-use medical devices has a negative impact on the environment, due in particular to the resources needed for the raw material production, the manufacturing, the transport, and the management of the waste generated after their use. However, the reprocessing practice also has a negative environmental impact that must be taken into consideration (e.g., the use of chemical substances).

The EC is currently assessing the appropriate measures to be put forward in the context of the Recast of the Medical Devices Directives. We believe that reprocessing of single-use devices will be permitted only for devices that are not used in surgically invasive medical procedures and with a validated reprocessing procedure for each device. Since hospitals will not be able to validate their reprocessing processes, only third-party reprocessing companies will be able to comply with any corresponding standards or guidelines.

The full EC commission report can be downloaded at ec.europa.eu/consumers/sectors/medical-devices/files/pdfdocs/reprocessing_report_en.pdf.

This is a report published by the EC on reprocessing but it is not a formal banning of reprocessing. It is a report based on their findings from research:

"Conclusion on public health considerations on the reprocessing of single use medical
devices
Three major hazards were identified by the SCENIHR i.e. a remaining contamination, the
persistence of chemical substances used during the reprocessing process and the alterations in
the performance of the single use medical devices due to the reprocessing.
A specific problem is the elimination of prion contamination, since only relatively aggressive
cleaning methods, not compatible with the commonly used materials, can ensure prion
inactivation.
In order to identify and reduce potential hazards associated with reprocessing of a specific
single use medical device, the whole reprocessing cycle starting with the collection of these
single use medical devices after (first) use until the final sterilisation and delivery step,
including its functional performance, needs to be evaluated and validated.
Not all single use medical devices are suited for reprocessing in view of their characteristics
or the complexity of certain single use medical devices.

The risk is highest when the reprocessed single use medical device is used in a critical
procedure, i.e. when used for an invasive medical procedure. In contrast, the risk is much
lower for non-critical medical procedures in which reprocessed single use medical devices are
used.
It must be noted that the World Health Organization identified similar hazards, risks and
limitations of reusing single use medical devices in a report titled "Medical device regulations
– Global overview and guiding principles"23."

- Here the EC states the known fact that reprocessed devices contain bioburden. However, there are no numbers or statistics provided that support an increased infection rate after adoption of reprocessed devices. Rather, the EC chooses to identify that the whole reprocessing cycle must be evaluated and validated to help identify and reduce potential hazards of reprocessing.

- The FDA requires reprocessors to receive 510(k) validation prior to allowing reprocessing of a device. The 510(k) validation directly addresses the reprocessing process and validates that there are no hazards to the process.

"Conclusion on ethical and liability considerations on the reprocessing of single use
medical devices in the current situation
In the current situation, the reprocessing of single use medical devices raises ethical concerns
in terms of potential inequalities between patients. In addition, the issue of prior information
and consent of patients needs to be considered.
Regarding the liability, it would be necessary to clarify the responsibilities of each
stakeholder and to inform healthcare professionals in case they are using reprocessed single
use medical devices, as their responsibility may be engaged in case of adverse events.
The requirements regarding the labelling of reprocessed single use medical devices shall be
clarified, in particular for the purpose of traceability of these devices."

- I've already noted the ethical and moral implications with using reprocessed devices. Our system chose to make a statement that both new and reprocessed are viewed as "like new" in our hospitals. It is not the perfect answer, but it is ours. I've already raised the point of needing to identify when other like products could be used in place of other products in procedures.

"Conclusion on economic considerations on the reprocessing of single use medical
devices
To date, the published economical data do not allow drawing any conclusion on the costeffectiveness
of the reprocessing practice for single use medical devices when performed with
a sufficient level of quality and safety. This cost-effectiveness needs to be demonstrated by
long-term studies including a large number of patients and clear calculation of the direct and
indirect costs."

- The EC states that there is no published economical data on the savings from using reprocessed devices. They recommend that a long-term study of a large number of patients is needed to prove cost-effectiveness.

- My hospital system has tracked savings on reprocessing down to the line item, purchase order level for 2+ years now. We have shown savings and executive leadership has supported this initiative since it's inception.

"Conclusion on environmental considerations on the reprocessing of single use
medical devices
To date, no comprehensive study balances quantitatively all the environmental implications of
reprocessing single use medical devices versus discarding those devices.
Available data very much focus only on the waste reduction that the reprocessing of single
use medical devices creates to some extent. Various elements, such as the environmental
impact of transport, resources and energy consumption, as well as the use of chemical
disinfectants, must be taken into consideration."

- My argument for the EC is that, aren't the various elements common between reprocessed devices and new? When both items become waste and must be discarded, transportation is the same. The EC argues that resources, energy consumption and chemical disinfectants are environmental aspects of reprocessing that may make this an environmentally detrimental activity. My point is that, each time we use a reprocessed device, we save that much waste from going to our landfills. As part of our $2.5million in cost savings, we diverted 56,237 lbs of waste from the landfills by re-using the devices. At the end of the reprocessing cycle, the reprocessed breakdown and recycle the component parts of the device, something that few if any hospital systems will do.

In the end, this document was intended as guidance for hospital systems choosing to use reprocessing. The EC points out concerns with reprocessing but few of the points in the document are clear, conclusive evidence against using reprocessed devices. Item 3.2 clearly points out some of the countries with views on reprocessing. Most have no oversight on the reprocessing industry and those that do have guidelines and regulations to follow for third party reprocessors.

If the article had actually been read rather than just copied and pasted, it's clear this is more of an editorial and commentary on reprocessing rather than an edict. Are there countries that have banned reprocessing? Absolutely. Are there some still using and allowing it? Absolutely. Within the US alone there are hospitals that don't use reprocessed devices and have banned it and others that use it regularly. I don't think that the commentary from a governmental body outside of the US is evidence for or against reprocessing. I don't even want to get into the differences between their healthcare industry and ours. Socialized healthcare and our healthcare system? Worlds apart.

I think the views of other countries can be noted but should not be used to govern what we choose to do and what is discussed in the on-going commentary on this board.
 






I sell implants so reprocessing poses no threat to me. I do however find it annoying and kind of (used car salesman-ish), sleezy, but I guess there is a pkace for used goods in every market. To the reprocessing reps, just know you are viewed as total bottom of the barrel. You will never be accepted as or paid as a device rep. With that said, it is probably here to stay. The rat race will continue with OEM's upgrading equipment with "trip wires" and used car salesman trying to find a work around.

To the MM posting on here (assuming you are legit which is doubtful). Get real and get the hell off CF. You are truly delusional if you think a rep is going to partner with you for any other reason than revenue growth. You talk about reps as if we should be your friends and be lookong out for your hospital. Sorry, not gonna happen. Sure occasionally it will but only if the rep is achieving some objective which gets him paid (some bonus or standardization, etc). As long as we work for public companies (who seek uber agressive, alphas), and make more $ as you spend more $, we will continue to use any tactic that works.

Funny reading this- my first med device job was entry level with a reprocessing compny in 2011. Now I sell impant stimlulators and make more money then anyone posting on this thred.
 






I'm a patient at your hospital...

1. Am I given a choice when I am scheduled for surgery whether or not I receive a new device or a reprocessed single use device?

2. Since you mentioned a savings of 2.5 million, how will that savings be passed to me(the patient)?

3. If I am paying cash for my surgical procedure and you use a reprocessed device on me, will I be charged for the lower cost, reprocessed device or will you charge me for the cost of a new, OEM device?

4. Do you advertise to your patients or your community that you reprocess single use devices? If you reprocess and the hospital across the street doesn't, shouldn't I have a right to know that so that I can make an informed choice of which hospital I would like to go to for my surgical procedure?

how is this any different then when an OEM company offers a hospital a 20% discount to bring their products it, or continue to use them with fear of their competitor? Do you mention the savings the hospital is getting to the patinet? If the patient is paying cash, do you give them a 20% discount too? NO BECAUSE IT BENEIFTS the HOSPITAL
 






Funny reading this- my first med device job was entry level with a reprocessing compny in 2011. Now I sell impant stimlulators and make more money then anyone posting on this thred.
WOW .THATS VERY IMPRESSIVE. So what 110K . Hey young buck tell jus what you paid in taxes last year . Because the taxes I paid as individual is more that you will earn in 2 years. My company taxes ( Yes I have my own company and love to read these) were more than you will earn in 3 years. S corp is pass through but you don't have a clue. So please go put in your crm how many calls you made today BIG STIMULATOR SALESMAN >S