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Primary Stability no good

I'll anxiously await the steamroll that will never come. You guys don't play in the same league. Go get in a slap-fight with ID--maybe Niznick could officiate since he invented both lines of product.

Zimmer Ortho is not Zimmer Dental, in case you missed the memo. They don't associate themselves with you.
 




There is, quite literally, NO chance that will happen. You don't work for the #1 orthopaedic company in the world (J&J). You don't even work for Zimmer Ortho. You work for Zimmer Dental, by anyone's estimate the #5 ranked company based on share. You can keep TM--we don't need, or want it. It has no impact on what we do.

The "high" Straumann attained didn't come quickly, and I'm not pissed about whatever you guys are up to at any time. No one cares as much as you think. I don't know what the corporate heads are feeding you, but the TM revolution ain't gonna happen because you simply don't have the reputation of creating meaningful advances in implant technology over there. Zimmer customers are used to paying half of what you charge for that thing. You don't have enough of a track record to get them to switch in droves, and certainly not enough track record to swipe long term Straumann users.

You've been peddling Niznick's stuff a long time, bro. THAT'S who you are. Without him, you'd be working at Hiossen or Megagen if they'd have you. 3 years from now, Sybron/ID might be #4, but you'll still be #5 or #6. Accept it as fact.

Oh did I strike a cord there? Yes I think so. You need to get your facts straight chump.

#1) We do play in your league and steal customers from you on a daily basis.
#2) TSVT and TM are advances beyond Niznick's implants of the past.
#3) TM brought Zimmer from the #3 market share company in Ortho to the #1, and yes it is #1 in Ortho. JNJ is not #1 in Ortho.
#4) TM is the most relevant medical breakthrough in implantable device technology in 60 years. Much more so than your "active juice" you skwirt in your vile to make a Straumann SLA Active implant.
#5) Zimmer will steam roll over you for a couple reasons. Wait patiently and you will watch your market share erode just like Branemark did prior to the Sterioss acquisition.

*Sucks to be you guys!
 




I'll anxiously await the steamroll that will never come. You guys don't play in the same league. Go get in a slap-fight with ID--maybe Niznick could officiate since he invented both lines of product.

Zimmer Ortho is not Zimmer Dental, in case you missed the memo. They don't associate themselves with you.

Straumann "cloned" their internal octagonal connection from Gerry Niznick in 1986. Niznick holds the patent on your "Straumann Standard" (your bread and butter implant) implant's internal connection. Did you miss that memo?

Yes Zimmer Ortho does associate themselves with Zimmer Dental. We are One Zimmer. If we were not, Trabecular Metal would have stayed in Ortho. Besides, Dental delivers 30% return on investment for papa Zimmer. Your comments are rookie at best. Go back to sucking your thumb.
 




Oh did I strike a cord there? Yes I think so. You need to get your facts straight chump.

#1) We do play in your league and steal customers from you on a daily basis.
#2) TSVT and TM are advances beyond Niznick's implants of the past.
#3) TM brought Zimmer from the #3 market share company in Ortho to the #1, and yes it is #1 in Ortho. JNJ is not #1 in Ortho.
#4) TM is the most relevant medical breakthrough in implantable device technology in 60 years. Much more so than your "active juice" you skwirt in your vile to make a Straumann SLA Active implant.
#5) Zimmer will steam roll over you for a couple reasons. Wait patiently and you will watch your market share erode just like Branemark did prior to the Sterioss acquisition.

*Sucks to be you guys!

Keep dreaming. You need to beat 3i, Astra, and Nobel before you get to Straumann. You talk like you're entering the Finals when in reality you're not even playoff-ready. One step at a time, son--one step at a time.

The only reason you're even employed is because of Niznick, so before you lambaste the man, I'd give a tip of the cap to him for giving you something to sell for the past ten years. Not something compelling, mind you, but something.

I'll tell you what-we'll revisit this in one year's time and I'll bet dollars to donuts you haven't gained one bit on the 4 in front of you, while we've separated from the #2 Nobel to stretch the lead even further. Why you ask? Reputation and proof of superior technology in implants. plus digital solutions that add to the story. Two things Zimmer hopes to have, but doesn't yet. Straumann's had it for too many years to count and built a tremendous amount of trust along the way. This crap about you "stealing accounts on a daily basis" is hilarious. If and when Straumann loses an account, it's NEVER to a low-tech hack line like Zimmer.

BTW, TM isn't the answer. For every TM customer you gain, you're losing 2 to ID anyway. Just get used to the number 5 spot. Sit back, relax, and inhale the smell of mediocrity. It won't be so bad for you once you accept it. I think I can hear a TM breaking as we speak...you better get there quick with a spin story...
 




Keep dreaming. You need to beat 3i, Astra, and Nobel before you get to Straumann. You talk like you're entering the Finals when in reality you're not even playoff-ready. One step at a time, son--one step at a time.

The only reason you're even employed is because of Niznick, so before you lambaste the man, I'd give a tip of the cap to him for giving you something to sell for the past ten years. Not something compelling, mind you, but something.

I'll tell you what-we'll revisit this in one year's time and I'll bet dollars to donuts you haven't gained one bit on the 4 in front of you, while we've separated from the #2 Nobel to stretch the lead even further. Why you ask? Reputation and proof of superior technology in implants. plus digital solutions that add to the story. Two things Zimmer hopes to have, but doesn't yet. Straumann's had it for too many years to count and built a tremendous amount of trust along the way. This crap about you "stealing accounts on a daily basis" is hilarious. If and when Straumann loses an account, it's NEVER to a low-tech hack line like Zimmer.

BTW, TM isn't the answer. For every TM customer you gain, you're losing 2 to ID anyway. Just get used to the number 5 spot. Sit back, relax, and inhale the smell of mediocrity. It won't be so bad for you once you accept it. I think I can hear a TM breaking as we speak...you better get there quick with a spin story...

Nice try but wrong on "all" counts. Zimmer was in the #3 position, above 3i, just before the Astra/Dentsply merger which "created" the new #3 player. Astra and Dentsply were #5 and #7 on their own. Zimmer currently sits at #4 in Dental. Zimmer does have a "full" digital solution. It is not officially on the market yet but will be this year. And yes my friend, TM terrifies you as it should. 1 year from now several of you will be shown the door for being too full of yourselves while Zimmer reps take over your largest customers with TM.

Cheers
 




Nice try but wrong on "all" counts. Zimmer was in the #3 position, above 3i, just before the Astra/Dentsply merger which "created" the new #3 player. Astra and Dentsply were #5 and #7 on their own. Zimmer currently sits at #4 in Dental. Zimmer does have a "full" digital solution. It is not officially on the market yet but will be this year. And yes my friend, TM terrifies you as it should. 1 year from now several of you will be shown the door for being too full of yourselves while Zimmer reps take over your largest customers with TM.

Cheers

I love the arrogance. You are getting sloppy seconds from the ortho side of your company and you act as if it is the second coming of Christ. Let me help you out, if it was such a game changer and it is truly going to catapult you into the #1 position, why wait until now to bring it over to the dental side? I mean, according to you, dental represents 30% profits right? In case you are curious, things are a little different in the ortho world than in dental. Anyone remember the HA surface, yeah that was supposed to revolutionize the industry too right?

As for having a digital platform in the works, yeah we hear that a lot. Come talk to us when it actually hits the market pal, cause based on your company's track record of bringing new technology to market, that could be decades.

Now, I'm sure you will try to come up with some clever retort to my post here, but the facts are the facts. Over the past few decades Straumann has brought consistent innovations to the market which has allowed us to climb into a position of dominance in the dental industry. It did not happen overnight, but it is where we sit today. I have no doubt that your TM mplants will give you a bump, but until you can sustain it like the big boys you should really keep quiet. While being #4/5 in the industry is certainly a decent spot given all the bottom feeders, you are still a long way from being anywhere near a contender. So keep getting out of bed each morning and trying to 'steal' my customers, your effort is not unnoticed...just your product.
 




I'll anxiously await the steamroll that will never come. You guys don't play in the same league. Go get in a slap-fight with ID--maybe Niznick could officiate since he invented both lines of product.

Zimmer Ortho is not Zimmer Dental, in case you missed the memo. They don't associate themselves with you.

Speaking of memo's....

We can thank Zimmer for the crackdown by the Govt because Zimmer dental thought they were above the fray of Zimmer ortho legal issues. So therefore, Zimmer dental was slapped harder and we all have to deal with it.

BTW, since you were paying doctor's off in the states on the ortho side, what about the dental side?
 




I love the arrogance. You are getting sloppy seconds from the ortho side of your company and you act as if it is the second coming of Christ. Let me help you out, if it was such a game changer and it is truly going to catapult you into the #1 position, why wait until now to bring it over to the dental side? I mean, according to you, dental represents 30% profits right? In case you are curious, things are a little different in the ortho world than in dental. Anyone remember the HA surface, yeah that was supposed to revolutionize the industry too right?

As for having a digital platform in the works, yeah we hear that a lot. Come talk to us when it actually hits the market pal, cause based on your company's track record of bringing new technology to market, that could be decades.

Now, I'm sure you will try to come up with some clever retort to my post here, but the facts are the facts. Over the past few decades Straumann has brought consistent innovations to the market which has allowed us to climb into a position of dominance in the dental industry. It did not happen overnight, but it is where we sit today. I have no doubt that your TM mplants will give you a bump, but until you can sustain it like the big boys you should really keep quiet. While being #4/5 in the industry is certainly a decent spot given all the bottom feeders, you are still a long way from being anywhere near a contender. So keep getting out of bed each morning and trying to 'steal' my customers, your effort is not unnoticed...just your product.

Dude this Zimmer guy is right. Lets be honest here. TM is a clear breakthrough and if we all were smart we would continue to lavish our customers to protect ourselves. They have already taken one of my largest accounts.
 




Dude this Zimmer guy is right. Lets be honest here. TM is a clear breakthrough and if we all were smart we would continue to lavish our customers to protect ourselves. They have already taken one of my largest accounts.

Great point, I guess you got me. Straumann is just smoke and mirrors compared to Zimmer. Their revolutionary new TM implant will undoubtedly dominate the industry. This is what they competition must have felt like when Apple started their run.

I am scared now. I wonder if Zimmer is hiring in my area?
 




Great point, I guess you got me. Straumann is just smoke and mirrors compared to Zimmer. Their revolutionary new TM implant will undoubtedly dominate the industry. This is what they competition must have felt like when Apple started their run.

I am scared now. I wonder if Zimmer is hiring in my area?

Zimmer = Apple. Straumann undoubtedly = PC (old school). TM is revolutionary.
 




Dude this Zimmer guy is right. Lets be honest here. TM is a clear breakthrough and if we all were smart we would continue to lavish our customers to protect ourselves. They have already taken one of my largest accounts.

I hope this is sarcasm and not the Zimmer moron responding as a 3rd party poster again. The guy has problems much bigger than the delusion of taking over Straumann.
 












And what may I ask are those?

Posing (poorly) as a dentist. Answering your own inane posts. Creating false scenarios out of thin air with any and all implant companies. There's a few for you. And that's before you eventually get to the delusional part about the state of implant business as it exists today.
 




Are you guys on crack? Straumann, Astra, or Nobel are not half of the company that Zimmer is. I would rather work for the #1 orthopeadic company in the world than the #1 or #3 dental implant company any day. You guys are just pissed because we have Trabecular Metal and you guys will never have it. Now we can steam roll over you and your precious ITI and make you look like the over sized ego maniacs that you have become. Enjoy the high now as it will quickly disapear as quickly as it came.

You don't work for the # 1 Ortho company in the world. You are a Dental Implant Rep working for the red headed step child division of a much larger company. The Ortho Division doesn't even know you exist, and wouldn't waste a minute of their time talking to you unless it was to take their coffee order.
 




Posing (poorly) as a dentist. Answering your own inane posts. Creating false scenarios out of thin air with any and all implant companies. There's a few for you. And that's before you eventually get to the delusional part about the state of implant business as it exists today.

Man I love messing with your heads. I post, you reply, I post, you reply. Makes me laugh.

The Puppet Master
 












Straumann and Astra have the most respected implants and proof of such in the game. I'll take that over whatever you just said. Whatever you're selling, it's a non-issue.

They may be popular, but with the patient demand looking for immediate restorations (and who can blame them, toothless or a flipper option suck either way) there are other options that allow the surgeon to meet those demands with predictability. Astra by far has the worse primary stability followed by Straumman.
 




They may be popular, but with the patient demand looking for immediate restorations (and who can blame them, toothless or a flipper option suck either way) there are other options that allow the surgeon to meet those demands with predictability. Astra by far has the worse primary stability followed by Straumman.

Soooooooo TRUE!