Please no new drug!

[Anonymous]

So your dsm asks you to do unehticl things and your reaction is to do nothing but make some copies. How about address it with them like a professional. Before you go ballistic on me hear me out. By addressing it you confirm their actual intent and eliminate confusion. This request can be through email and after the email response or conversation you send them a reply of your understanding of what is asked. This way there is a record and it is clear. For the paranoid people it also helps protect against a perceived retrobution down the road from your DSm as it gives you basis for a case. I have done this before when direction was not clear and it has always slowed the emotions down and brought a proper response. This signals the dsm to be more specific with you and most likely reduces similar confusion that your counterparts might be getting too.
To hear people complain about potential unethical behaviors but do nothing really sickens me. It makes me think you were in agreement or complisite? with the dsm but now you dont like your boss and hope to use it againt him. It also means you would allow other coworkers to be put through the same issue.

 

[Anonymous]

So your dsm asks you to do unehticl things and your reaction is to do nothing but make some copies. How about address it with them like a professional. Before you go ballistic on me hear me out. By addressing it you confirm their actual intent and eliminate confusion. This request can be through email and after the email response or conversation you send them a reply of your understanding of what is asked. This way there is a record and it is clear. For the paranoid people it also helps protect against a perceived retrobution down the road from your DSm as it gives you basis for a case. I have done this before when direction was not clear and it has always slowed the emotions down and brought a proper response. This signals the dsm to be more specific with you and most likely reduces similar confusion that your counterparts might be getting too.
To hear people complain about potential unethical behaviors but do nothing really sickens me. It makes me think you were in agreement or complisite? with the dsm but now you dont like your boss and hope to use it againt him. It also means you would allow other coworkers to be put through the same issue.

I am not the original poster, but you just gave horrible advice! You never directly approach someone that has done something wrong or unethical. There are better and mor appropriate channels. Bad comment!

 

[Anonymous]

So your dsm asks you to do unehticl things and your reaction is to do nothing but make some copies. How about address it with them like a professional. Before you go ballistic on me hear me out. By addressing it you confirm their actual intent and eliminate confusion. This request can be through email and after the email response or conversation you send them a reply of your understanding of what is asked. This way there is a record and it is clear. For the paranoid people it also helps protect against a perceived retrobution down the road from your DSm as it gives you basis for a case. I have done this before when direction was not clear and it has always slowed the emotions down and brought a proper response. This signals the dsm to be more specific with you and most likely reduces similar confusion that your counterparts might be getting too.
To hear people complain about potential unethical behaviors but do nothing really sickens me. It makes me think you were in agreement or complisite? with the dsm but now you dont like your boss and hope to use it againt him. It also means you would allow other coworkers to be put through the same issue.

Are you really that naive? There's no complicity...anytime anyone speaks up, they're on the chopping block. The majority of the management team have known each other for over 15 years and they all protect one another. The stuff I have is not "potentially" unethical...it's blatantly unethical...and if you assholes try to screw us out of paying bonus, believe me, I will whistle blow my ass off!!!

 

[Anonymous]

To each his own. I have done this in practice and it has worked fine. Clearly, i do not know what you have been instructed to do by your dsm but when in doubt I have always followed up an email or verbal conversation back to anyone from mgmt with an email.
Only once did i send that to an RSD or HR for further confirmation. Once hr contacted me and the dsm to affirm the answer and once the rsd contacted me and the manager that the direction was incorrect. Per the RSD the DSM emailed me confirming his direction was incorrect and not appropriate. This was at a previous company and my career there was not negitavely impacted best i could tell. Neither request was outragoues but were questionable.
My previous 2 companies had similr verbage about the bonus and the CEO authority. It is not new verbage but most never read the fine print. If the ceo did hold it back your documents might be meaningless because the company would be bankrpt and the preferred stockholders and everyone would get whats left. Watch for 50 cents base vial and $4.10 growth q3
In a layoff you would have to decline any serverance in order to sue and any attorney would require you pay them for all fees and exps. None take it on contingence as most cases are not successful. Free to spend the effort and time but is it really worth the outrage.
Best bet is look for a new company. Why hang for the hassles. In the end you will allways be unhappy here and if you get downsized you will hate yourself more for not leaving earlier

 

[Anonymous]

To each his own. I have done this in practice and it has worked fine. Clearly, i do not know what you have been instructed to do by your dsm but when in doubt I have always followed up an email or verbal conversation back to anyone from mgmt with an email.
Only once did i send that to an RSD or HR for further confirmation. Once hr contacted me and the dsm to affirm the answer and once the rsd contacted me and the manager that the direction was incorrect. Per the RSD the DSM emailed me confirming his direction was incorrect and not appropriate. This was at a previous company and my career there was not negitavely impacted best i could tell. Neither request was outragoues but were questionable.
My previous 2 companies had similr verbage about the bonus and the CEO authority. It is not new verbage but most never read the fine print. If the ceo did hold it back your documents might be meaningless because the company would be bankrpt and the preferred stockholders and everyone would get whats left. Watch for 50 cents base vial and $4.10 growth q3
In a layoff you would have to decline any serverance in order to sue and any attorney would require you pay them for all fees and exps. None take it on contingence as most cases are
not successful. Free to spend the effort and time but is it really worth the outrage.
Best bet is look for a new company. Why hang for the hassles. In the end you will allways be unhappy here and if you get downsized you will hate yourself more for not leaving earlier

I won't have to pay attorney fees because I have many family members that are attorneys. It's illegal in my state to not pay bonus once a sale has been made. You have no idea what you're talking about...I knew you were an idiot when you said you emailed HR.

 

[Anonymous]

To each his own. I have done this in practice and it has worked fine. Clearly, i do not know what you have been instructed to do by your dsm but when in doubt I have always followed up an email or verbal conversation back to anyone from mgmt with an email.
Only once did i send that to an RSD or HR for further confirmation. Once hr contacted me and the dsm to affirm the answer and once the rsd contacted me and the manager that the direction was incorrect. Per the RSD the DSM emailed me confirming his direction was incorrect and not appropriate. This was at a previous company and my career there was not negitavely impacted best i could tell. Neither request was outragoues but were questionable.
My previous 2 companies had similr verbage about the bonus and the CEO authority. It is not new verbage but most never read the fine print. If the ceo did hold it back your documents might be meaningless because the company would be bankrpt and the preferred stockholders and everyone would get whats left. Watch for 50 cents base vial and $4.10 growth q3
In a layoff you would have to decline any serverance in order to sue and any attorney would require you pay them for all fees and exps. None take it on contingence as most cases are not successful. Free to spend the effort and time but is it really worth the outrage.
Best bet is look for a new company. Why hang for the hassles. In the end you will allways be unhappy here and if you get downsized you will hate yourself more for not leaving earlier

You're so stupid, you could be a manager here.

 

[Anonymous]

What are you talking about. Only you keep saying they are not paying your bonus. I certainly never said that nor did your employer. Did nt your attorney relatives tell you how implauseable it would be for a company to not pay a bonus after it was earned. It is so outside the relm of possiblities that merely thinking it is plausable demonstrates a seperation from reality.
Imagine I act like an adult and if my dsm says things that dont sound correct I have them reclarify and if needed I take it to a higher level. Its called being responsible or maybe even standing up for myself. Never had another questionable direction from either manager again. Have any of you ever tried it or are you too scared of the big bad dsm.

Hiding on cp and printing documents that will most likely never be used(lets be honest)
is not going to really make you feel better about the power you feel your boss has over you.
Take that energy and commit to finding a new job. CP is only keeping you down.

When I leave I will even post any openings at the new gig.

God be praised!

 

[Anonymous]

You're such a hypocrite! Why are you hiding on cafe pharma with your long winded posts? You are the one who has a separation from reality if you think I'm the only one who is worried about the company not paying bonus or trying to change terms of bonus payment (not paying after a rep quits, etc). The verbage in the IC plan doc we had to sign is NOT typical. It is completely clear to me that you are so "out of the know" because no one would ever tell you anything because you would probably email your RSD or HR to "clarify" if it were true. Please stop assuming everything and offering unsolicited advice. There are many ways the documents I have may be used...WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF! And if you need clarification, email HR, I'm sure they will have your best interest at heart.

 

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