Not such good news about ABH Dermagraft

What a slack ass excuse. So, If everybody jumps off the ledge, so should you? I would hope that your parents taught you better, but, I guess not. Oh well, just play the "following victim" card, since you already baited that hook.
Where I come from we have a term for people like you..."puke'.
 






What a slack ass excuse. So, If everybody jumps off the ledge, so should you? I would hope that your parents taught you better, but, I guess not. Oh well, just play the "following victim" card, since you already baited that hook.
Where I come from we have a term for people like you..."puke'.

Wow. First I didn't say I did those things, and second, I am no victim. Since you reason like a 12 year old, I will explain that through humor I was saying that in EVERY business in this world there are rouge's who make their own choices outside of their companies direction- some of them are not great choices. I'm just so sorry that your virgin little eyes were exposed to something that turned that weak little tummy of yours...ALEGIDLY. Your word for me is "puke"? That huts. For me to respond on the same level I'm leaning towards either "Nanny nanny boo boo stick your face in poo poo" or "I know you are but what am I". You pick.

Now lets move on please- unless you have a funny come back...Probably a knock knock joke, but hell, swing away!
 






I have had the misfortune to deal with a PUKE like you in this life as well as on the military side. No matter what you write, you are the same. I limp dick puke.
Make a new excuse...I expect it.
Be advised, I do not care about you, your company or your thoughts.
PUKE.
 






I have had the misfortune to deal with a PUKE like you in this life as well as on the military side. No matter what you write, you are the same. I limp dick puke.
Make a new excuse...I expect it.
Be advised, I do not care about you, your company or your thoughts.
PUKE.

Private Pile: Why so mad? Your not creative- just sort of angry and mean. If there is bad in this world, trust in Karma- what goes around, comes around- one way or another....if it should. Chill.
 






the worst news about this take over is one of the people shire picked up. anyone ever heard of patrice sutherland? somehow she bullshitted her way into abh. obviously nobody there did any type of due diligence. patrice was basically run out of sanofi due to all of her crap. she fought, scrapped and scraped her way to an rd role and everyone knows she finally got it because she was minority female who made enough waves and needed to be shut up. well, she and her vp did not get along very well and who do you think won that one? she of course went out on disability for about 4-5 months so she couldn't be fired. word was that if/when she returned she was going to be put on a plan. well while out on disability, she had her knee fixed and managed to find a job as vice president of some eye drop company. she quickly brought in her boyfriend as some executive type. well this job only lasted about 6 months and my guess is she was fired. could have left on her own but my guess is they saw through her bullshit, found out she hired her boyfriend and was given the boot. somehow she arrives at skin is us and nobody checked into any of this. if they would have, she would have never been hired. by the way, she was also a plaintiff or lead witness in a lawsuit against sanofi. you can look it up and see her name. abh should be very very careful with this woman. she is like the trojan horse. comes in good but with a lot of shit to deal with if things don't go her way. beware. if you don't believe me, go to the sanofi board and post her name there and see what responses you get. she became known as the anti christ at sanofi.
 






the worst news about this take over is one of the people shire picked up. anyone ever heard of patrice sutherland? somehow she bullshitted her way into abh. obviously nobody there did any type of due diligence. patrice was basically run out of sanofi due to all of her crap. she fought, scrapped and scraped her way to an rd role and everyone knows she finally got it because she was minority female who made enough waves and needed to be shut up. well, she and her vp did not get along very well and who do you think won that one? she of course went out on disability for about 4-5 months so she couldn't be fired. word was that if/when she returned she was going to be put on a plan. well while out on disability, she had her knee fixed and managed to find a job as vice president of some eye drop company. she quickly brought in her boyfriend as some executive type. well this job only lasted about 6 months and my guess is she was fired. could have left on her own but my guess is they saw through her bullshit, found out she hired her boyfriend and was given the boot. somehow she arrives at skin is us and nobody checked into any of this. if they would have, she would have never been hired. by the way, she was also a plaintiff or lead witness in a lawsuit against sanofi. you can look it up and see her name. abh should be very very careful with this woman. she is like the trojan horse. comes in good but with a lot of shit to deal with if things don't go her way. beware. if you don't believe me, go to the sanofi board and post her name there and see what responses you get. she became known as the anti christ at sanofi.

I work here at ABH and have worked with PAtrice in a limited basis for the past few months. She is a complete trainwreck. She is unprofessional, unresponsive, clueless, lazy, condescending, and has a complete lack of sales ability. I'm not sure how she got into ABH, let alone got put into a National Accounts role. She is one of the worst sales professionals I have ever encountered. I'd post more but details may give away my identity. Needless to say, if I were in charge she'd be the first to go!
 






sorry for the delay in responding but i just happened to see that someone else responded. i worked with her at sanofi and she became well known for her bullshit ways of doing things. it was either her way or she did everything she could to make your life hell. i'll post more specifics of her time at sanofi when i have more time but i am sorry you are having to work with her. she is the worst.
 






Wow. Looks like a bunch of the sanofi boys are having trouble moving on with their lives. Patrice moved on boys time you did They are still crying over the fact that a single mom, west point grad with an MBA stood up for herself. Ur right she is a piece of crap --- wait no she is is a successful national account manager at an awesome company she loves, who has raised two daughters with the help of her adorable sexy (have u seen him. navy boyfriend WP). And for her girls--- Oh yeah one is at west point and the other is going to play basketball for the US coast guard next year. Your right what a loser she is ha ha laugh is on you boys ---Can u say move on boys. Looks like she did. And everyone wonders why sanofi went to hell with Jerry and all his boys. Lol. Oh yeah heard Clifton got demoted. And that he screwed over lohec and mcilvain to save his own skin guess they arent happy they were loyal to an unloyal man Poetic justice!!!! That is karma baby. Heard clifton is working outa his home office and is using a female dm as a secretary.look like nothings changed at sanofi!!! What a joke. They will never learn. I think Patrice got it right all along.!!! Female power baby.
 






WHo can give me some information regarding the Federal Accounts position? Obviously, I know it is simply a position calling on the VA systems. Do these guys do well or is it more difficult than a commercial sales position with ABH? How fast does the interview process go? Do they give you a company car or an allowance (only because I am wondering if I am going to need to sell my ride). Thanks, in advance, for all honest replies.
 






Wow. Looks like a bunch of the sanofi boys are having trouble moving on with their lives. Patrice moved on boys time you did They are still crying over the fact that a single mom, west point grad with an MBA stood up for herself. Ur right she is a piece of crap --- wait no she is is a successful national account manager at an awesome company she loves, who has raised two daughters with the help of her adorable sexy (have u seen him. navy boyfriend WP). And for her girls--- Oh yeah one is at west point and the other is going to play basketball for the US coast guard next year. Your right what a loser she is ha ha laugh is on you boys ---Can u say move on boys. Looks like she did. And everyone wonders why sanofi went to hell with Jerry and all his boys. Lol. Oh yeah heard Clifton got demoted. And that he screwed over lohec and mcilvain to save his own skin guess they arent happy they were loyal to an unloyal man Poetic justice!!!! That is karma baby. Heard clifton is working outa his home office and is using a female dm as a secretary.look like nothings changed at sanofi!!! What a joke. They will never learn. I think Patrice got it right all along.!!! Female power baby.

Thanks for that post Patrice. You suck...seriously. You are completely unqualified for your position at ABH. You never proved you could sell anything when you were in the field. And because you threatened to do what you did at Sanofi, you got moved to keep you quiet/happy. Only the move has backfired since you can't do that one either. You are completely unprofessional, unprepared, and in general- a piss poor sales person. Get back into Pharma where you can hide in a pod and leave the selling to the big boys.
 






Investigation into DERMAGRAFT
•Shire understands that the Department of Justice, including the US Attorney's Office for the Middle District of Florida, Tampa Division and the US Attorney's Office for Washington, DC, is conducting civil and criminal investigations into the sales and marketing practices of ABH relating to DERMAGRAFT. Shire is cooperating in these investigations.

SEE today's press release
 






Investigation into DERMAGRAFT
•Shire understands that the Department of Justice, including the US Attorney's Office for the Middle District of Florida, Tampa Division and the US Attorney's Office for Washington, DC, is conducting civil and criminal investigations into the sales and marketing practices of ABH relating to DERMAGRAFT. Shire is cooperating in these investigations.

SEE today's press release

Does anyone have the specifics about what the ABH rep in Florida was doing? I hear there was a rep in Texas that is being investigated too. Any info appreciated.
 






Does anyone have the specifics about what the ABH rep in Florida was doing? I hear there was a rep in Texas that is being investigated too. Any info appreciated.

Everyone knows what we do. It's no secret. Hell, at the meeting people got in front of the entire room and were talking about their successes and would say, "I was working Vascular clinic on an Abdominal DFU....." and the entire room would bust out laughing. It's no secret, just management trying to turn a blind eye to the practice of selling off label. And I guarantee you, they will hang people out to dry when the truth surfaces.

The question is, are they firing any reps yet? I hear they are essentially scared to let people go because of the fear that they will in turn just become an informant.
 






Everyone knows what we do. It's no secret. Hell, at the meeting people got in front of the entire room and were talking about their successes and would say, "I was working Vascular clinic on an Abdominal DFU....." and the entire room would bust out laughing. It's no secret, just management trying to turn a blind eye to the practice of selling off label. And I guarantee you, they will hang people out to dry when the truth surfaces.

The question is, are they firing any reps yet? I hear they are essentially scared to let people go because of the fear that they will in turn just become an informant.

Rumor is that there was much more going on than just off label selling. This could actually get all medicare reimbursement pulled for dermagraft.
 






Investigation into DERMAGRAFT
•Shire understands that the Department of Justice, including the US Attorney's Office for the Middle District of Florida, Tampa Division and the US Attorney's Office for Washington, DC, is conducting civil and criminal investigations into the sales and marketing practices of ABH relating to DERMAGRAFT. Shire is cooperating in these investigations.

SEE today's press release

Where is this press release? Shire did not produce it.
 


















Why did the messages disappear as someone asked about KOB, TE, and NR being fired? I am curious to everyones thoughts on those guys being let go and if you are going to still promote the same way as before or if you will start to turn down business. Personally, I don't want to go to jail.
 












This acquisition is great news for Shire reps and terrible for the current ABH reps. The dermagraft reps average 175k per year and have several thousand dollars per month to spend on entertainment with customers. ABH does not follow ADVAMED/PHARMA guidelines and can still do all the entertainment/dinners, without limit, that used to happen 15 years ago. Many unethical things have happened with this company. As far as the compensation, it will certainly be scaled back to a more 'pharma' model.

I guarantee you that half the current dermagraft reps leave in the next six months. This will open up great opportunities for current Shire reps. It will get you outta the pharma stigma.

Sign me up!