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Has anyone fought or disputed being targeted for termination or being given a warning that has no merit? I don't even want to keep my job if it means giving up everything I believe in but I don't want to resign either.
 






HR doesn't and won't protect you. I would find a new job if you were considering fighting it, because you will be eventually let go. Your FTEs will slip into the low 2s magically over night. Just watch. It happens all the time to truly great hard working reps
 




































Anonymous said:
HR doesn't and won't protect you. I would find a new job if you were considering fighting it, because you will be eventually let go. Your FTEs will slip into the low 2s magically over night. Just watch. It happens all the time to truly great hard working reps
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Does anyone know WHY this is happening so frequently in so many geographies?
 


















Anonymous said:
Has anyone fought or disputed being targeted for termination or being given a warning that has no merit? I don't even want to keep my job if it means giving up everything I believe in but I don't want to resign either.
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I know some people that talked to HR once warnings and/or probations started being issued. It seemed to work for a few people, but not all. I think in the end once you have been targeted the writing is on the wall and it's time to start looking at your options, but it may be worth disputing. Going to HR might buy you a little bit more time, because once there's a record (like emails) HR will make sure that everything is by the book before any action is taken against you. Good luck.
 






Anonymous said:
I know some people that talked to HR once warnings and/or probations started being issued. It seemed to work for a few people, but not all. I think in the end once you have been targeted the writing is on the wall and it's time to start looking at your options, but it may be worth disputing. Going to HR might buy you a little bit more time, because once there's a record (like emails) HR will make sure that everything is by the book before any action is taken against you. Good luck.
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I would not EVER sign my name agreeing to something that had no truth to it. Period. You are obviously on your way out once you are targeted. If, in fact, the warning has no truth to it, and you can back it up, I would not sign my name to it. The same goes with ride alongs. why would you EVER EVER sign your name agreeing to something that isn't true? Your DM will contact HR when you don't, but I would beat them to the punch and contact them stating that you will not sign something that defames your business reputation. SIgn and date such a statement. Then start looking for another job. you may get fired, however, if everyone did this, Forest would have to fire 1/4 of our company.
 






Anonymous said:
Has anyone fought or disputed being targeted for termination or being given a warning that has no merit? I don't even want to keep my job if it means giving up everything I believe in but I don't want to resign either.
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If you're over 40 or in a protected class, fight it like a mad dog and it will really piss off your DM and RD because it will stretch it out for a long long time plus improve your chances in a law suit. Everything they say negative in your FTE you need to rebutt and have proof. Ask HR for a national sales trainer to ride with you for an unbiased evaluation because you feel your being discrminiated against.

If you're under 40 and not in the protected class you can still fight and may be able to delay it but it's inevitible so it's best to just move on.
 












Anonymous said:
I know some people that talked to HR once warnings and/or probations started being issued. It seemed to work for a few people, but not all. I think in the end once you have been targeted the writing is on the wall and it's time to start looking at your options, but it may be worth disputing. Going to HR might buy you a little bit more time, because once there's a record (like emails) HR will make sure that everything is by the book before any action is taken against you. Good luck.
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Can you please tell me what you mean by "worked" for a few people? My results are great this quarter though I had several mediocre quarters last year, never in bottom 25 % though and will be in top 50% for the year. Everything in top 25 % now, 2 of 3 top 10%. High base, over 40. Won every award possible since been here. Definitely targeted, making me crazy.
 


















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Understood, but has anyone had success in fighting this bs?
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Yes, but it requires that you document EVERYTHING. Blind copy every email to your private address (if you are fired they will cut your access to all your documents),also get every award, FCR, expense report and get them in order. Be ready for random audits from your manger at any moment. They will come after you on three fronts: samples, expense reports/gas receipts, and metrics. They will cross check your gas receipts with calls records to try and catch any questionable timing. Be sure to fill up with gas or purchase something to solidify your location. Be sure to ALWAYS ask that your manger put any/all requests in writing so that you have a paper trail. Yes, they will try to use a paper trail AGAINST you but it works both ways! Check with your local state labor board on anything that your manager is requesting that seems unfair or is not requiring others to do as well. The laws very greatly from state to state and many managers are not aware of local laws only federal. Bottom line is if you choose to fight, it can get brutal so be prepared. If you go to HR be ready with solid documentation, if it degrades to he said/she said then they will side with the manager (unless they are trying to get rid of them). HR will look at this as a win or lose issue in court or how much will it cost us if they sue? Do not expect them to be fair! the only thing they care about is keeping Forest "safe" in the dispute. If you have a strong case of harassment, etc. find a lawyer that will listen to the merits of your case and let you know if you can turn up the heat on Forest. Even if you succeed in your fight against your manager it might be smart to look elsewhere for employment.

The simplest way around may be to request a transfer under a different manager to HR if you think it would be a better situation.

Hope this helps..
From
Someone who fought back and won.
 






Anonymous said:
Yes, but it requires that you document EVERYTHING. Blind copy every email to your private address (if you are fired they will cut your access to all your documents),also get every award, FCR, expense report and get them in order. Be ready for random audits from your manger at any moment. They will come after you on three fronts: samples, expense reports/gas receipts, and metrics. They will cross check your gas receipts with calls records to try and catch any questionable timing. Be sure to fill up with gas or purchase something to solidify your location. Be sure to ALWAYS ask that your manger put any/all requests in writing so that you have a paper trail. Yes, they will try to use a paper trail AGAINST you but it works both ways! Check with your local state labor board on anything that your manager is requesting that seems unfair or is not requiring others to do as well. The laws very greatly from state to state and many managers are not aware of local laws only federal. Bottom line is if you choose to fight, it can get brutal so be prepared. If you go to HR be ready with solid documentation, if it degrades to he said/she said then they will side with the manager (unless they are trying to get rid of them). HR will look at this as a win or lose issue in court or how much will it cost us if they sue? Do not expect them to be fair! the only thing they care about is keeping Forest "safe" in the dispute. If you have a strong case of harassment, etc. find a lawyer that will listen to the merits of your case and let you know if you can turn up the heat on Forest. Even if you succeed in your fight against your manager it might be smart to look elsewhere for employment.

The simplest way around may be to request a transfer under a different manager to HR if you think it would be a better situation.

Hope this helps..
From
Someone who fought back and won.
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so many lowly reps here-GOd the dm's just want you to work-is that so freakin Hard!
 






Anonymous said:
so many lowly reps here-GOd the dm's just want you to work-is that so freakin Hard!
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You are So WRONG! How much do you have to read on here to realize hard working reps are being targeted? You must not have been here that long or perhaps you don't make much more than a starting employee at 52k. Maybe you are such a tool that you are not being targeted right now. You're a dumb ass, okay? Can I be any more clear? This is happening to hard working reps that have given their souls to Forest. Do you even know what "A CEO and his Son" is? What Forest is doing goes agents everything in that book, yes, it is a book.

Thank you to the prior poster. I have done all that and spoken to an attorney who said I have a case if fired.

To the poster who fought, did you get to keep your job? Were you transferred? Thank you.
 






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