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Compounders are screwing the hell out of a lot of new meds that have come out on the market. What I cannot, for the life of me understand is, why don't companies like this, with all their "experts" do their home work and get this in their heads, before they launch a med.

In case you people haven't gotten through your thick skulls, the majority of the public is hurting so bad financially and have been, long before this official crisis was finally announced by our liberal media. You know the media that has the world by the balls and has been shoving lies down our throats for eons. Therefore, most people are lucky if they even have the cash to buy a damn med, let alone one that will cost more than they make in a month.

Figure it out big pharma, either you're going to fight these compound pharmacists and all the bootlegging that comes in from other countries or you're going to continue to have failed product launches and tons of turn over. Its your choice. The bootleggers and compound pharmacists nearly killed my business and my company just kept saying, yeah, we're goin after them and year after year, I'd find out they were all still in business and their business skyrocted while mine hit the shitter.
 




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Compounders are screwing the hell out of a lot of new meds that have come out on the market. What I cannot, for the life of me understand is, why don't companies like this, with all their "experts" do their home work and get this in their heads, before they launch a med.

In case you people haven't gotten through your thick skulls, the majority of the public is hurting so bad financially and have been, long before this official crisis was finally announced by our liberal media. You know the media that has the world by the balls and has been shoving lies down our throats for eons. Therefore, most people are lucky if they even have the cash to buy a damn med, let alone one that will cost more than they make in a month.

Figure it out big pharma, either you're going to fight these compound pharmacists and all the bootlegging that comes in from other countries or you're going to continue to have failed product launches and tons of turn over. Its your choice. The bootleggers and compound pharmacists nearly killed my business and my company just kept saying, yeah, we're goin after them and year after year, I'd find out they were all still in business and their business skyrocted while mine hit the shitter.
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Hard to argue against a compounded testosterone pellet vs. branded Testopel. Both are 99.9% Testosterone. If i were a patient, i would not complain. Plus MDs make more on buying the compounded and billing for the brand.
 




Ah yess, the compounders. Aren't they just a barrel of fun. Yes, I recall having to deal with this in the past and my company said they would take care of it. THAT, in spite of actual legal threats, never made one didly bit of an impact on the compounders. Not one single bit.

In fact, during the several years I worked for this company, the compounders not only ramped up production of another form of our med, they charged less and there were other clear reasons for using them. My company was in denial and my sales, tanked and while I still did well in spite of it, it was more than just a little pissing me off. Why, because the compounders in my area were and had been at full throttle, cranking out a most appealing form of the med. Even my most loyal docs said, look, for patients who can't afford your med, I can't justify not telling them to go to a compounding pharmacist.

My question is, how ethical is it of a company to deny to you, a sales rep, that this affects your business and therefore your sales numbers. For newbie reps, this is a real eye opener and its digusting that a manager, who is supposed to be a leader, doesn't explain or discuss this with a rep. Its compete bullshit. Further, every territory is impacted to a different degree, even those that may be side by side. So..I'm just sympathizing with you. Yes, it is shitty, big time shitty. You may never get an award, hit top 10-20% because of compounders and that, my friend, is not fair.
 




Do you all enjoy having a Job?
Are your checks clearing?
Do you have a company car?
How are your health benefits?

I hear Amgen is hiring. Also try some of the medical device companies, they may be hiring as well.

STOP COMPLAINING. Yes it sucks, and mgt is all over the map with ideas which smell of desperation, but if you really hate this, go elsewhere.

AND PLEASE, let us know how you did it so we can all follow your lead!
 




I had an interview with them last week and the manager said he would folow up in the next week and guess what, NO PHONE CALL. That is fine that I wasn't the chosen one, but if they treat their canidates this way I would hate to think how they actually treat their employees. We are people and please respect others as you would want to be respected. Obviously they didn't get the message from their parents.


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Offers should have been extended by now as home study is taking place this week - home office training in South Carolina next week. I think this is the last group they will be training this year. Don't feel bad, though. Most existing reps have only sold a few hundred pellets in a 4-5 month period, which garners them a whopping $200-$300 bonus for that time period. Low base + low bonus = low job satisfaction. I'm thinking Titanic . . .
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Not looking good for Norgenix. Sales are dismal and they have let a few reps go. Still promising new products but that has been pushed from the end of '09 to some time mid-late '10. Morale is terrible and most reps don't feel right making promises regarding reimbursement and clinical results when they know they are not true. Norgenix and Slate continue to butt heads and it seems like NGX is building a case against Slate for misrepresenting their product during co-promotion negotiations. Not a good place to be and the wise ones are networking themselves and hitting the job boards hard. Sad situation.
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The fact is that while Norgenix had more than DOUBLE the amount of reps promoting Testopel, the Slate reps accounted for more than 50% of the total sales in 2009! What does that tell you, huh? It tells me that the REAL reason behind all the smoke screens and excuses you guys made, is that Norgenix hired a bunch of bums who couldn't sell! The truth hurts don't it?
 








I saw an opening in the Sacramento, CA. area. My question is this. I've heard that its no secret that due to the California having the largest managed care market in the U.S. (for those of you who have no clue, I'm talking about the Kaiser Health Care system and more) and their propensity to keep reps out and do business with the cheapest supplier, that selling this type of new med, would seriously be a challenge. Also, above comments about compounders is another significant issue, especially in CA. No matter what anyone else says. Therefore, if you work in CA , you've got two MAJOR hits against you, going out the gate. Can anyone give me a reason why a person would want this position?

What is being done to deal with managed care? Do you have reps calling strictly on them, who are experienced or is that something that's coming? Second, are you going after the compounders? Do you have lawyers on them? Thanks and yes, I'm very interested in this product, it sounds light years ahead of the competition, but what about the costs? What insurance companies are paying? Who is it on formulary with? Do you teach people how to go about this? You see, I have been in the biz a while. One of the top Big 2 pharmas had an ah ha moment or two on the launch of a few of their meds, in spite of what reps kept telling them. They didn't seem to listen about a certain med in particular and two launches failed. Reps do know a thing or two. Say, lets talk about dividing territories up. Damn, its not rocket science that if you have a rep in S. CA and one in N. CA or a nurse educator, either, that you'd want each driving down into the others territory, when a lateral drive of 1-2 hrs would cover it. So hows the territory divided up in CA? I hope to hell you have people working their own region and not 2 different people driving 6-8 hrs to cover some damn podunk town, right the hell next to someones home base. I swear, some of these pharma idiots that divide up territories should resign. Its just plain stupid and expensive to follow their maps.
 




Mega dittos on all the above. Its the little secrets about different states that they try to hide from newbies, but end up with a hecka lotta turnover for doing so. Once the kidlets get wise to the old managed care and compounder e-ffect, its suddently not quite so fair or much fun after all.

I did see the job remains posted on the net, so the Sac position remains open. Wouldn't you love to talk to whoever left. Now that would be worth its weight in deciding whether or not to interview. Open invitation to ya'll who are gone. Whats the skinny on selling this med. Pros and con's, please.
 




I also saw that opening. I need a job. Would someone please tell me how it is going here, that has the inside scoop? Should I apply? I can't just rely on a few of these comments. All companies launching a new med have issues and I'd just like to know if this is a workable situation. Thanks. Oh and did the Sac rep leave or was it as "let go" situation?
 




As someone who knows firsthand, I would run from this "opportunity". The product is actually pretty good, but the product's parent company, support and resources for the reps are terrible. The reimbursement is spotty at best, for commercial and medicare plans. There is little to no money for lunch and learns. I am not usually a fan of lunches as an educational opportunity, but with a new product, procedure and reimbursement info, a rep needs a good 20-30 minutes to have the discussion. I know that in these tough economic times it is hard to be picky about a job, but I am speaking from experience-RUN and do NOT look back!!!
 




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As someone who knows firsthand, I would run from this "opportunity". The product is actually pretty good, but the product's parent company, support and resources for the reps are terrible. The reimbursement is spotty at best, for commercial and medicare plans. There is little to no money for lunch and learns. I am not usually a fan of lunches as an educational opportunity, but with a new product, procedure and reimbursement info, a rep needs a good 20-30 minutes to have the discussion. I know that in these tough economic times it is hard to be picky about a job, but I am speaking from experience-RUN and do NOT look back!!!
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Um, you're living in the past there buddy - you are describing how things were at Norgenix while they were co-promoting Testopel. That culture is LONG gone as the exact OPPOSITE of what you said is how it is currently. BTW, Slate Pharma is the manufacturer and has hired 25 direct reps to get things DONE RIGHT.

Buh bye...
 




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Um, you're living in the past there buddy - you are describing how things were at Norgenix while they were co-promoting Testopel. That culture is LONG gone as the exact OPPOSITE of what you said is how it is currently. BTW, Slate Pharma is the manufacturer and has hired 25 direct reps to get things DONE RIGHT.

Buh bye...
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DONE RIGHT...BUT DONE WITH $$$$, WHO HAS YOUR MONEY? Besides try slim fast, it may work.....and for you...try some stilts....Testopel wont make you grow any taller
 
























Whitehead is the biggest scumbag in pharmaceuticals. He will get his due. Is there a reason he had been fired from 5 jobs in 4 years???? Or all of his ex wives hate his guts?? Pattern???
 




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