New Regime: CHANGES?

I'm not in sales. I talk to a lot of people and nobody at any level of authority has said anything. Only a repeat of what they heard someone else say. Like you did in the post.

I'm talking VP here as my guess is that they would be the only ones who know anything. Unless of course it is they who will be disposed of, then even they wouldn't really know.

Long story short, unless you're at the top tier, you don't really know anything and all you're doing is spreading rumor.

Again, nothing based on fact and nothing to back it up. Only "everybody is saying such and such"

Not fighting with you, just would like to have some solid intel for a change.

To your point that department managers are worried. I think everyone in the company is. How many CEO's have we had the last seven years? We need some stability.


The only stability we will have is when we are shut down and collecting our severances. We are an organization with no direction nor hope heading straight for the end. The new management is nothing more that a re-hash of the nonsense we have had over the last year and a half or so, all talk no sunstanance. It's already Oct and you can be damn sure the FDA will be here in just a few short weeks ripping us for not being on the ball and acting like a true Pharma company should. Unless we completely clean house and start from scratch we have no chance, and this means everything, sales, marketing, finance, R&D, IT, operations...everything. Manager and above should be let go and we should start from the beginning and build a new organization.
 






I'm not in sales. I talk to a lot of people and nobody at any level of authority has said anything. Only a repeat of what they heard someone else say. Like you did in the post.

I'm talking VP here as my guess is that they would be the only ones who know anything. Unless of course it is they who will be disposed of, then even they wouldn't really know.

Long story short, unless you're at the top tier, you don't really know anything and all you're doing is spreading rumor.

Again, nothing based on fact and nothing to back it up. Only "everybody is saying such and such"

Not fighting with you, just would like to have some solid intel for a change.

To your point that department managers are worried. I think everyone in the company is. How many CEO's have we had the last seven years? We need some stability.

Hey, what do you want, a signed affidavit?
It's been my experience that there is always truth to these type of whispers. Any long-timer will tell you the same.
 












The only stability we will have is when we are shut down and collecting our severances. We are an organization with no direction nor hope heading straight for the end. The new management is nothing more that a re-hash of the nonsense we have had over the last year and a half or so, all talk no sunstanance. It's already Oct and you can be damn sure the FDA will be here in just a few short weeks ripping us for not being on the ball and acting like a true Pharma company should. Unless we completely clean house and start from scratch we have no chance, and this means everything, sales, marketing, finance, R&D, IT, operations...everything. Manager and above should be let go and we should start from the beginning and build a new organization.

What is sunstanace?????

Do you really think everyone from manager up is a problem? Anyone who holds that belief should just leave. Why? Because that will NEVER happen. EVER.
 












Hey, what do you want, a signed affidavit?
It's been my experience that there is always truth to these type of whispers. Any long-timer will tell you the same.

Funny. No, I wasn't looking for a signed affidavit. I was just hoping for more than just a rumor. Something like I was in a meeting and the big guys said xxxx. Or I caught a glimpse of the resizing plan and it looks like xxx is going to happen. My friend is an executive and he says this or that.

Otherwise it's only rumor and sometimes rumors are worse than the truth when they're repeated as known facts.

Guess we'll all see soon enough. In the mean time I'll try to ignore the coffee machine gossip. But that coffee is so damn good!
 






The only stability we will have is when we are shut down and collecting our severances. We are an organization with no direction nor hope heading straight for the end. The new management is nothing more that a re-hash of the nonsense we have had over the last year and a half or so, all talk no sunstanance. It's already Oct and you can be damn sure the FDA will be here in just a few short weeks ripping us for not being on the ball and acting like a true Pharma company should. Unless we completely clean house and start from scratch we have no chance, and this means everything, sales, marketing, finance, R&D, IT, operations...everything. Manager and above should be let go and we should start from the beginning and build a new organization.

Does that cleaning of house include you?

I'm guessing you're position is below the level of manager. And since you are so low on the totem, you must know what the company needs. That is why you are running things. Those people on the bottom always know what the company needs. Hell, if I want a business plan, I always go to a line packer or a building services dude.

Or maybe you are a manager or above and you're the ONLY one who can save us. The savior himself.

Probably not though. You're just a guy that continually feeds coins into the vending machine. Hoarding all the cupcakes for himself and leaving none for anybody else. I've got my eye on you.
 






The only stability we will have is when we are shut down and collecting our severances. We are an organization with no direction nor hope heading straight for the end. The new management is nothing more that a re-hash of the nonsense we have had over the last year and a half or so, all talk no sunstanance. It's already Oct and you can be damn sure the FDA will be here in just a few short weeks ripping us for not being on the ball and acting like a true Pharma company should. Unless we completely clean house and start from scratch we have no chance, and this means everything, sales, marketing, finance, R&D, IT, operations...everything. Manager and above should be let go and we should start from the beginning and build a new organization.

Manager and above? Really? Are you truly that illogical? You sound like the whiney protestors on Wall Street. Do you really think that without some upper management this company would exist? Do you really think that our investors want to start from square one and begin again? If you do, then YOU are part of the problem too. While there are a few more senior management people who need to be gone or demoted, you can't clean house and think that's it, problems solved.
 






Manager and above? Really? Are you truly that illogical? You sound like the whiney protestors on Wall Street. Do you really think that without some upper management this company would exist? Do you really think that our investors want to start from square one and begin again? If you do, then YOU are part of the problem too. While there are a few more senior management people who need to be gone or demoted, you can't clean house and think that's it, problems solved.

It's pretty funny that you consider yourself a part of the 1%.
You're what that 1% would call a "useful idiot".
 












It's pretty funny that you consider yourself a part of the 1%.
You're what that 1% would call a "useful idiot".
Get rid if the all the managers and up to save the company? Really? Oh yeah, saying you sound like a whiny occupy wall street protestor really makes me a 1%er.......NOT! You just proved that you can't comprehend an obvious analogy. So, who's the idiot?
 






Get rid if the all the managers and up to save the company? Really? Oh yeah, saying you sound like a whiny occupy wall street protestor really makes me a 1%er.......NOT! You just proved that you can't comprehend an obvious analogy. So, who's the idiot?

These are two different posts that you're attributing to a single poster. That's OK. Even geniuses such as yourself can become confused by the intricacies of posting on a message board.
 












These are two different posts that you're attributing to a single poster. That's OK. Even geniuses such as yourself can become confused by the intricacies of posting on a message board.

Oh hell, for all we know one poster is responsible for multiple posts that are at odds with each other. He or she might be doing it for fun. Or all their personalities get a turn.

That is why message boards should be considered nothing more than entertainment or at the most, cocktail party conversation.
 






Company has WAY too many supervisors,managers,directors,senior directors ,vice presidents for its size. Significant number of them don't know the processes of their own area 's and don't care to learn.Some choose to stay in the office and play on computer or blackberry while others claim to know how improve the operation because that's the way we did it at (insert failed company name here). Toss in all the consultants and its a recipe for getting little done. The line packer and building service dude are only as good as their leadership.
What the hey?.....no more snow ball cupcakes in the machine
 












Company has WAY too many supervisors,managers,directors,senior directors ,vice presidents for its size. Significant number of them don't know the processes of their own area 's and don't care to learn.Some choose to stay in the office and play on computer or blackberry while others claim to know how improve the operation because that's the way we did it at (insert failed company name here). Toss in all the consultants and its a recipe for getting little done. The line packer and building service dude are only as good as their leadership.
What the hey?.....no more snow ball cupcakes in the machine

I think you're right in one sense. If you looked only at the size of the company, there are too many supervisors, managers, etc.

The one thing you don't take into account is that having two plants manufacturing at the same time means duplicate roles in each plant. Not to mention the distribution center. If we were making all our batches in one plant instead of two, and distributed from that same plant we wouldn't need quite as many people to run it. Two plants is an inefficient model. Think about it...In our worst scenario we dispense in one plant, then send the materials to get compounded in another. After compounding, we ship the bulk material back to the same building where it was dispensed for packaging. Then we ship it to Pennsylvania for eventual distribution. Look at all the extra steps and extra people needed to manage the areas. Talk about a model of inefficiency. But I do believe we are stuck with it.
 






I think you're right in one sense. If you looked only at the size of the company, there are too many supervisors, managers, etc.

The one thing you don't take into account is that having two plants manufacturing at the same time means duplicate roles in each plant. Not to mention the distribution center. If we were making all our batches in one plant instead of two, and distributed from that same plant we wouldn't need quite as many people to run it. Two plants is an inefficient model. Think about it...In our worst scenario we dispense in one plant, then send the materials to get compounded in another. After compounding, we ship the bulk material back to the same building where it was dispensed for packaging. Then we ship it to Pennsylvania for eventual distribution. Look at all the extra steps and extra people needed to manage the areas. Talk about a model of inefficiency. But I do believe we are stuck with it.

About five years ago, I saw the feasibility study regarding the company's long-term plans. That study did indeed suggest that the Sterile Department should be phased out and the two plants should be merged at Melville and that the Hicksville plant should be sold. I'm assuming that the powers-that-be changed horses mid-stream.