New Challenge for Nobel Reps

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Anonymous said:
So what you are saing is that micro-threads do not stop bone loss?
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The micro threads where originally provided to allow for adequate wall thickness for a deep conical design. The ideal outer diameter or radius of the threads was determined by finite element analysis. See Journal of Biomechanics 2003 (1247-1258) and US patent number 6,036,491 if you are really interested.

I don't mean to imply that ideally shaped/profiled micro threads don't play a role in crestal bone maintenance, but the upward and outward facing reverse bevel at the top of Astra implants may have a stabilizing effect on the CT fibers as the bottom of the implant gingival complex and this may have a significant role in crestal bone maintenance. This is only a hypothesis on my part but look at the one thing in common with Astra, Ankylos, Bicon and NobelActive which all share a deep conical design and have a platform switch to some degree and not all having micro or mini threads. Now compare their results to what seems to be happening around ScrewPlants without a platform switch but a design that includes mini threads, a stable platform and blasting to the top of the fixture..................... and it does make you wonder.

There are a combination of factors that come into play and it isn't easy to determine which design element is more important than another. Certainly you want a stable interface if you have the choice. Does a platform switch work for the reason I’m suggesting and not the biologic width nonsense some suggest? Admittedly it is hard to say. Therefore the only thing you can rely on as a clinician is long term data from a specific design and make your choice(s) accordingly.
 




Anonymous said:
You write like you may have won a Pulitzer Prize for literature. With your childish, BLAH..comments which by the way are not words in the English language, You must work for Niznick too with your limited ability to write a sentence and think like an adult.
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Ah yes, all of the ID employees should take lessons from you, capitalizing pronouns in the middle of a sentence, missing commas after parenthetical phrases, and comma in the middle of prepositional phrase. Which company do you work for?
 




Anonymous said:
No response so far from the FDA. I hate to even think that they might not respond at all to any of this. Regardless if Niznick and Nobel are in a mud-slinging contest this is a subject that needs to be put to rest. No reponse from the FDA would make them appear to have been bought by Nobel. I don't think they would risk that.

Who knows, my sales are doing fine and I don't work for either ID or Nobel. it is entertaining to read all of this back and forth between Niznick haters and those brainwashed by Nobel.
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The FDA has not made a public announcement but is looking into the matter. It is to my understanding that they are lining up their resources so as to address the magnitude of this claim. I cannot speak for Helath Canada, nor can I say that a recall will be issued, but I assure you, especially because of the public knowledge of the claim, the FDA will be investigating the situation.
 




Anonymous said:
Wow all that success with "non sterile" implants? The idiocy here never ceases to amaze me. Go buy your Strauman shares, but first go buy a clue.
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The question is not the quality of the product Nobel sells. Yes, they are number one in the industry. The question is, when patients hear that something that was not guaranteed sterile was placed in their mouth, will their greed affect Nobel. Unfortunately, in today's world, whether Nobel has had great success or not, this can cause great problems. Even if, by some miracle the FDA turns the other cheek, the capitolist public will not.
 




Anonymous said:
A lot of talk about this issue on a childish, moronic rep board. No talk, discussion, or recall by FDA, and that is all that matters. Now you ID morons go out and sell on merit instead of waiting for the sky to fall on Nobel. Boston Scientific is still in business, and thriving by the way.
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I don't believe in conspiracy theory nor would I sell an implant to a doctor by defiling another company. That's just impractical sales technique. My doctors are walked through the benefits of the implant and how it could benefit his practice to purchase from us. If he asks a question in comparison, I will give him the honest differences. This does not change the fact that Nobel has a sterility issue. Will it help my business? Yes. Is this what my business is based on? Obvioulsy not, as several Nobel users were converted prior to the release of these tests. Instead of attacking ID and its reps, would you please post a test that disproves the information? Or a response that has fact, not generalizations, disputing the claim?
 




Anonymous said:
So what you are saing is that micro-threads do not stop bone loss?
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As far as I can tell, outside of Astra's new claim, on average ANY implant has about .05mm of bone loss. There is no imperical data that can for certain prove that micr-threads stop bone loss, though they are believed to reduce stress in the crestal bone that can cause bone reduction. It is also strongly believed that platform switching reduces bone loss, but again this is belief as it can't be proven without doubt, since the platform switch is not the only supposed bone loss reduction factor in the studies.
 








Anonymous said:
Based on the first patent you cite, it sounds like you are dancing around the issue. The
United States Patent 7,517,219
McDonald , et al. April 14, 2009
Method of providing specialized dance videos

The time to worry about a patent is after the patent holder puts you on notice of infringement. That is when the clock starts ticking for potential damages. Patent holders better be prepared to spend hundreds of thousands in legal fees if they try to assert a patent because the company being threatened can initiate litigation for declaratory relief, invalidating the patent or proving that the threat was made without justificaiton, which can result in triple damages plus legal fees. Ask Nobel about this... that is what they were hit with to the tune of $15M when they sued 3i on a phoney patent.
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Great response - hilarious in fact ! ! ! Patent number of interest was 7,517,218 not 7,517,219 - dancing around the issue - very clever. Maybe I can provide you with more material in the future.

Sorry it took me so long to get the joke..........................219 is in fact a patent about dance videos.
 




Anonymous said:
As far as I can tell, outside of Astra's new claim, on average ANY implant has about .05mm of bone loss. There is no imperical data that can for certain prove that micr-threads stop bone loss, though they are believed to reduce stress in the crestal bone that can cause bone reduction. It is also strongly believed that platform switching reduces bone loss, but again this is belief as it can't be proven without doubt, since the platform switch is not the only supposed bone loss reduction factor in the studies.
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Ankylos
 




Anonymous said:
As far as I can tell, outside of Astra's new claim, on average ANY implant has about .05mm of bone loss. There is no imperical data that can for certain prove that micr-threads stop bone loss, though they are believed to reduce stress in the crestal bone that can cause bone reduction. It is also strongly believed that platform switching reduces bone loss, but again this is belief as it can't be proven without doubt, since the platform switch is not the only supposed bone loss reduction factor in the studies.
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What is so dishonest about Astra's marketing is that they compare their bone loss studies to 1980's studies with Branemark machined surface implants with countersinking. Niznick has micro-threads and when asked why, he says so he does not have to explain why he does not have them. Now that is an honest answer.
 




Anonymous said:
What is so dishonest about Astra's marketing is that they compare their bone loss studies to 1980's studies with Branemark machined surface implants with countersinking. Niznick has micro-threads and when asked why, he says so he does not have to explain why he does not have them. Now that is an honest answer.
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Maybe you should be honest about your ScrewYouPlants without a platform switch that have your so called mini threads that seem to be showing bone loss down to the first major thread below the mini threads. Maybe those suckers should just have conventionally sized threads all the way to the top and then you might have even less to explain.
 




































Anonymous said:
hahahhahhaahhahahhahhahhahhahahahhahahahhahahahahh!!!!!
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I don't want to call you a liar, but I highly doubt it. The old man would never let you make that much money and still have a territory with him; either your territory would be cut in half, or he would fire you and hire someone who would work for a quarter of what you were being paid.
 




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