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Well at least we agree on "MOST" non-specific screening for a prescribed product...We are taking baby steps... I guess we will have to agree to disagree on the other. If in the future you need a heart cath to determine open heart surgery on yourself please advise the medical team to do a "SCREEN" rather than the actual confirmed catheterization quantifying the actual blockage and wheter it is the LAD or the RAD artery. They can base your open heart surgery off of the "stetoscope screen". Its very comparable to a screening POC cup. They both have a high percentage of false positives and false negatives but you should be alright. Once they open you up and see that you are clear and actually did not need the bypass they will just stitch you up and you will be on your way. No big deal... Better you than me...I know you are going to say, "you can not compare an open heart surgery to drug testing" but you can. These patients are suffering everyday with excruciating pain and they deserve to be told an accurate result. Not a result that has a high probability of being wrong. They go to a professional doctor of medicine who has specialized in pain to get accurate results not results that "could possibly" be accurate. They could very easily be discharged from their pain management therapy based off of unscientific incorrect screening results and struggle for the rest of their lives. I know you do not think that is anything to care about but you obviously have not been in chronic pain. You seem to have the insurance companies views and not care about the patient and that is OK.... to each his own. Do not get sucked into believing screening has a medical purpose in pain management. It is great for employee/workplace testing but is too unreliable for pain management. I understand your position on cost but I am thinking more on a scientific level. Maybe they can reduce the confirmation reimbursement to that of a screening... Would you still think a screen is better if the cost was the same? In regards to your comments on insurance companies, the legal world and the government you must be new to healthcare. They try to control healthcare by telling the actual medical doctor(someone who actually went to medical school) how to treat their patients. The insurance companies do not even know the difference between a screen and a confirm. They just know the cost difference. Its all about the money to them and not about the actual health of the patient. They are not the one's that are going to have to be legally liable when the provider discharges a patient and accuses them of diversion when they were actually taking it. They are not the ones that are going to have to discharge a 80 year old women for SCREENING positive for THC when she actually was just taking a proton pump inhibitor for her gastric reflux. I know this is not open heart surgery but serious inaccuracies can happen if you base your practice off of screens. More than that the provider will have to start mowing lawns because he will not have any patients left. They all will have screened negative for their prescribed drug and accused of diversion. Its not a marketing ploy... facts are facts...science is science. Screens are unreliable and you can not base any decision off of them. I actually think screens are the problem. The doctors should not be able to bill for such unscientific garbage. They do not even use the results because they know they are wrong. The only reason providers screen is for the $$$. You say there is no legal requirement to confirm... There is no legal requirement to get an actual confirmed cath before an open heart bypass surgery but I believe there is an ethical and moral obligation to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that before a sternotomy is performed there is confirmed evidence and it is medically necessary. In closing... screens suck and confirms are medically necessary if you are a provider and want to stand behind your medical decision. You maybe correct though...With all of this governmental data Obamacare may be pushing those "stethoscope screens" for open hearts in the near future if its all about cost and not about patient care.
You are right, you cannot compare open heart screening to drug testing. Period. Two different diagnosis implications, time considerations and impact on life or death. To digress: You assume that a cath is a "must do" before bypass. Sorry but you'd kill a lot of patients with that silly point of view. Things like an EKG and blood SCREENING/level tests can be done before the need to cath. If the symptoms, EKG and blood work aligns, the cath is often bypassed. A better knowledge of medicine prior to pulling out more unrelated analogies might help.
"They are not the ones that are going to have to discharge a 80 year old women for SCREENING positive for THC when she actually was just taking a proton pump inhibitor for her gastric reflux." Once again, there is NO "have to" in this scenario. Nothing dictates the "have to" you describe. Not the government, insurance companies or more importantly, good standards and practices. It is the clinicians job to discover PPI utilization and rule out cross reactivity, not a labs. If medical decisions to keep that patient is made with a legitimate purpose, acting in the usual course of medical practice, and taking reasonable efforts to prevent abuse and diversion are done, the clinician is covered.
Insurance companies and the government do know the difference between test formats. That is why different codes are used and have been changing. They also have discovered that certain companies have been overdoing it. That has been the negative impact on healthcare. I have never stated that screening is better but pointed out that confirmation is not "required" for every patient. "At least 5 confirms" for every patient is certainly not needed.