Legacy Merck arrogance

Unless you have unlimited access to all the Merck secret files...would you care to share?

Prior to Vioxx I used to be amazed at how many products Pfizer would recall, paid fines for infractions, and continued on business as usual. I almost thought Pfizer sees all the penalties and bad press as a normal cost in doing business. Physicians continue to love them.

Anyway, please share your special insight into the dark side of Merck that myself a 30-year veteran is not privy to. Don't tell me the usual toxic stuff. I am aware of them already.

Let's just say that Merck is on the FDA's watch list for a reason. There are only four companies there, by the way.

Makes you proud, huh?
 








I call BS. Lets see a link

I call it Barbara Streisand too. In this business everyone is an expert and everyone claim to have inside information. May be Merck is flagged after the Vioxx debacle. I doubt the FDA would assign one single person or department to closely monitor a few companies. I may agree that they would take a second and third look at any NDA from Merck so they would not be embarrassed from a Vioxx-like recall.
 




Really guys...some of our own Merck people are pretty crappy too.

every company will have a little dead weight. I am sure no one understood that SP was smoke and mirrors. They had no real pipeline and the people had no clue how to work. We could deal with the pipeline. We inherited so much trash in the form of SP employees. Why do you think we gave them such a good package to leave? Here is 1-2 years worth of pay because your useless and have no value here or in life. A am sure the SP feel like they made out big time. The real truth is Merck actually made out big time.
 




Very similar to what states do with people on welfare. They will pay the welfare recipient money to move to another state. It might be big money up front but the people will do nothing for years. They just collect the state checks. Same with the L-SP people. We gave them a big pay check to leave. They were doing nothing anyway. I'm sure most will piss it away and have nothing in 5 years. Kind of like the welfare people.
 




Very similar to what states do with people on welfare. They will pay the welfare recipient money to move to another state. It might be big money up front but the people will do nothing for years. They just collect the state checks. Same with the L-SP people. We gave them a big pay check to leave. They were doing nothing anyway. I'm sure most will piss it away and have nothing in 5 years. Kind of like the welfare people.

As a well-regarded former Merck employee from 20 years previous, I had never been so shocked or disappointed as I was when I re-joined Merck as a result of the merger. Merck had become a joke. I felt foolish after informing my S-P colleagues that Merck would really demonstrate to them a new standard. How wrong I was. Merck had become a collection of clowns. And compared to S-P they were certainly arrogant. The sad part was that they had precious little to be arrogant about. I think that it was simply a behavior that they kept from the days when one could at least explain some of their arrogance away as an overreaction to their accomplishments. But today they are clowns and fools and failures just like so many other jesters that entertain at the whim of the pharma executives. So very sad to have once been that good and to have become so small - in capability and in psyche.
 




As a well-regarded former Merck employee from 20 years previous, I had never been so shocked or disappointed as I was when I re-joined Merck as a result of the merger. Merck had become a joke. I felt foolish after informing my S-P colleagues that Merck would really demonstrate to them a new standard. How wrong I was. Merck had become a collection of clowns. And compared to S-P they were certainly arrogant. The sad part was that they had precious little to be arrogant about. I think that it was simply a behavior that they kept from the days when one could at least explain some of their arrogance away as an overreaction to their accomplishments. But today they are clowns and fools and failures just like so many other jesters that entertain at the whim of the pharma executives. So very sad to have once been that good and to have become so small - in capability and in psyche.

You got it. Clowns and Jokes. Jokes and Clowns. That sums up Merck. We legacy Merck people kept thinking it would get better. It had to get better. Bye bye Jerome Keller. It keeps getting worse much to our dismay. Send in the clowns.

Sondheim's song is so Merck.
Isn't it rich?
Isn't it bliss?
Don't you love FARCE?
So very Merck I'd say. According to Sondheim, his use of clown was synonymous with fool. Now that's so really very Merck!
 




every company will have a little dead weight. I am sure no one understood that SP was smoke and mirrors. They had no real pipeline and the people had no clue how to work. We could deal with the pipeline. We inherited so much trash in the form of SP employees. Why do you think we gave them such a good package to leave? Here is 1-2 years worth of pay because your useless and have no value here or in life. A am sure the SP feel like they made out big time. The real truth is Merck actually made out big time.

Wow...a lot of anger and frustration here. :)

Merck acquired SP. No one forced Merck to buy SP.
 




Very similar to what states do with people on welfare. They will pay the welfare recipient money to move to another state. It might be big money up front but the people will do nothing for years. They just collect the state checks. Same with the L-SP people. We gave them a big pay check to leave. They were doing nothing anyway. I'm sure most will piss it away and have nothing in 5 years. Kind of like the welfare people.

Some Merck people are deadweight and not doing anything too. The same logic applies andwe are paying them $$ to ask them to go away.

Conclusion: some Merck and SP people fit into your welfare analogy. Send them away with a nice severance package.
 




As a well-regarded former Merck employee from 20 years previous, I had never been so shocked or disappointed as I was when I re-joined Merck as a result of the merger. Merck had become a joke. I felt foolish after informing my S-P colleagues that Merck would really demonstrate to them a new standard. How wrong I was. Merck had become a collection of clowns. And compared to S-P they were certainly arrogant. The sad part was that they had precious little to be arrogant about. I think that it was simply a behavior that they kept from the days when one could at least explain some of their arrogance away as an overreaction to their accomplishments. But today they are clowns and fools and failures just like so many other jesters that entertain at the whim of the pharma executives. So very sad to have once been that good and to have become so small - in capability and in psyche.

I have to agree with you. We try to be classy when we have no more class. We try to act like the Old Merck in the 80's when we are not that innovative anymore. We try to keep repeating the George Merck's saying when we really are for the money. We try to remind ourselves we were the most admired and this is our plan to return to that spot when we have nothing to actually allow us to regain that spot. We try to talk like "Merck" when our current crop of management are full of back stabbers, anal retentive self serving a**holes with zero vision and charisma. When Keller walked on stage we applauded because he was on our side and a leader. Now we applauded because our managers are watching us (and standing behind us) with threatening looks.
 




I have to agree with you. We try to be classy when we have no more class. We try to act like the Old Merck in the 80's when we are not that innovative anymore. We try to keep repeating the George Merck's saying when we really are for the money. We try to remind ourselves we were the most admired and this is our plan to return to that spot when we have nothing to actually allow us to regain that spot. We try to talk like "Merck" when our current crop of management are full of back stabbers, anal retentive self serving a**holes with zero vision and charisma. When Keller walked on stage we applauded because he was on our side and a leader. Now we applauded because our managers are watching us (and standing behind us) with threatening looks.

As an outsider, I am surprised that you say you are trying to act like the Old Merck of the 80's. When I left, your management had disdain for the old Merck, Jerry Keller and his type, and George Merck's philosophy. Thus we're left with "Be Well" which says little and yet says much about current Merck philosophy. This is why I chose to leave Merck. Regarding Merck management's forced applause, it is similar to a totalitarian regime like China. You will follow headquarters and your leaders or face severe consequences, right? I felt sorry while watching olympians fail from totalitarian countries. Who knows what happens to them or the ones they love when they do not achieve gold. This is what makes Merck of today a 3rd rate company and a not so very nice employer, right?
 




I have to agree with you. We try to be classy when we have no more class. We try to act like the Old Merck in the 80's when we are not that innovative anymore. We try to keep repeating the George Merck's saying when we really are for the money. We try to remind ourselves we were the most admired and this is our plan to return to that spot when we have nothing to actually allow us to regain that spot. We try to talk like "Merck" when our current crop of management are full of back stabbers, anal retentive self serving a**holes with zero vision and charisma. When Keller walked on stage we applauded because he was on our side and a leader. Now we applauded because our managers are watching us (and standing behind us) with threatening looks.

No loyal Merck employee would post that-sounds more like a LSP Rep to me.
 




There were bad people in all 3 companies Organon, SP, and Merck.

THe most at Merck because it is the most entrenched and the biggest.
Why no innovation?
1. Long term employees , saying we alway did it this way , good or bad they couldn't see anything through anything other then the Merck lens.
2. MDs as gods, there are very few people in development who are allowed to make even small decisions who aren't MDs and MDs as a group are educated to be self important.
3. Bureaucracy makes it slow slow slow
 




No loyal Merck employee would post that-sounds more like a LSP Rep to me.

Now I am Merck loyal until I retired after 30 years. I have personally witnessed the glorious and shitty days over the three decades. I retired with sadness knowing those standing on stage at meetings are of such a low caliber. I missed Keller and Emmens.
 




I have to agree with you. We try to be classy when we have no more class. We try to act like the Old Merck in the 80's when we are not that innovative anymore. We try to keep repeating the George Merck's saying when we really are for the money. We try to remind ourselves we were the most admired and this is our plan to return to that spot when we have nothing to actually allow us to regain that spot. We try to talk like "Merck" when our current crop of management are full of back stabbers, anal retentive self serving a**holes with zero vision and charisma. When Keller walked on stage we applauded because he was on our side and a leader. Now we applauded because our managers are watching us (and standing behind us) with threatening looks.

Exactly correct.
 




There were bad people in all 3 companies Organon, SP, and Merck.

THe most at Merck because it is the most entrenched and the biggest.
Why no innovation?
1. Long term employees , saying we alway did it this way , good or bad they couldn't see anything through anything other then the Merck lens.
2. MDs as gods, there are very few people in development who are allowed to make even small decisions who aren't MDs and MDs as a group are educated to be self important.
3. Bureaucracy makes it slow slow slow

The irony is this:

1) There is a plurality of long-term employees not even knowing what was well-known 20 years ago. So many golden children missed out on learning multiple decades of wisdom. They were spending their time kissing ass, crafting PP presentations which typically were based on taking credit for other's efforts, or they were amplifying e-mails down the chain of command. Perhaps they have done well for themselves but unfortunately the company is now fatally overburdened with these shallow dimwits. And the prospects of Merck ever getting back to where they got off 20 years ago are almost as dim as the current management.

2) Where were those MDs when Merck was killing people taking Vioxx?

3) Bureaucracy is a giant mechanism opersated by pygmies. - Honore de Balzac. It is there so that the morons in charge won't be caught out. At least 1 and 3 are consistent.
 




As an outsider, I am surprised that you say you are trying to act like the Old Merck of the 80's. When I left, your management had disdain for the old Merck, Jerry Keller and his type, and George Merck's philosophy. Thus we're left with "Be Well" which says little and yet says much about current Merck philosophy. This is why I chose to leave Merck. Regarding Merck management's forced applause, it is similar to a totalitarian regime like China. You will follow headquarters and your leaders or face severe consequences, right? I felt sorry while watching olympians fail from totalitarian countries. Who knows what happens to them or the ones they love when they do not achieve gold. This is what makes Merck of today a 3rd rate company and a not so very nice employer, right?

Calling the present-day Merck a "not so very nice" employer, is like calling Lindsey Lohan just "a little unstable."

Merck is toxic...FU MERCK!
 








Now I am Merck loyal until I retired after 30 years. I have personally witnessed the glorious and shitty days over the three decades. I retired with sadness knowing those standing on stage at meetings are of such a low caliber. I missed Keller and Emmens.

You and me both. When Merck no longer was the company that always did the right thing, my respect for anything Merck was lost. I no longer have sadness, anger, or grief about Merck which I think is a good thing.