LCZ DELAYED?

[Anonymous]

here's some evidence, Untrusto is a combination of TWO DRUGS
The ARB portion dosed at it's highest

Vasotec is a 35 year old 1st gen ACE modestly dosed as monotherapy

Show me ANY evidence that this charade works better than ANY OTHER combination
Say ....Altace & a Diurectic
or ANY ARB at max dose & a diurectic

Can you say STACKED Trial ?

Fear not speakers may dabble, anyone else not on the payroll won't screw their patients

ace s work so well that 50% of heart failure patients die in 5 years.

 

[Anonymous]

ace s work so well that 50% of heart failure patients die in 5 years.

What about the ARBS? Guess they aren't much better than the Ace's
which begs the question if Aces & Arbs aren't that great according to you anyway
Why add Diovan to the NI ??

The combination showed what like a 4% difference over lose dose vasotec
20 vs 24%?

How much of that is attributed to the lower BP of the combo ?

How does this lame combo compare to another COMBO ?

Too scared to use a real comparator ?

Science Doosh

 

[Anonymous]

What about the ARBS? Guess they aren't much better than the Ace's
which begs the question if Aces & Arbs aren't that great according to you anyway
Why add Diovan to the NI ??

The combination showed what like a 4% difference over lose dose vasotec
20 vs 24%?

How much of that is attributed to the lower BP of the combo ?

How does this lame combo compare to another COMBO ?

Too scared to use a real comparator ?

Science Doosh

Bm tried ni/ace it never made it out of phase 2. It killed people. You dont seem to be up on this stuff. Stop thinking in terms of bp. We are talking about heart failure.

 

[Anonymous]

Bm tried ni/ace it never made it out of phase 2. It killed people. You dont seem to be up on this stuff. Stop thinking in terms of bp. We are talking about heart failure.

Don't keep spoon feeding the above poster.. he clearly doesn't understand what has been studied and thinks that BP results can be extrapolated to the HF arena... clearly a moron

 

[Anonymous]

ace s work so well that 50% of heart failure patients die in 5 years.

You're an idiot, they die of pump failure. Are you telling me that LCZ improves the pump failure of these patients? Think again baby boy!

 

[Anonymous]

Im telling you that you dont know what your talking about.

 

[Anonymous]

Diovan again really will it ever end? It's obnoxious