Labcorp - get a clue about ImmunoCAP!!

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For all you $40,000 a year uneducated Labcorp reps - once and for all - Pharmacia Diagnostics (now Phadia) created RAST and replaced it with new technology - ImmunoCAP. All the major institutions - Johns Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, Yale, etc. etc. have ImmunoCAP machines. Quest does not own ImmunoCAP - they are just one of Phadia's largest customers who offer it. RAST is in the past. We don't pay for all the thousands of positive mentions in literature - our test is just cited because it is superior. Look at this link from Wikipedia - an independent encyclopedia source on the web that gives info. about everything - they even have it right and we didn't pay them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAST_test
 






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For all you $40,000 a year uneducated Labcorp reps - once and for all - Pharmacia Diagnostics (now Phadia) created RAST and replaced it with new technology - ImmunoCAP. All the major institutions - Johns Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, Yale, etc. etc. have ImmunoCAP machines. Quest does not own ImmunoCAP - they are just one of Phadia's largest customers who offer it. RAST is in the past. We don't pay for all the thousands of positive mentions in literature - our test is just cited because it is superior. Look at this link from Wikipedia - an independent encyclopedia source on the web that gives info. about everything - they even have it right and we didn't pay them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAST_test
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Anyone can put anything on Wikipedia. Phadia drones put that there, bone head.

And of course, the information happens to be wrong.

Why would LabCorp want to carry a test that docs won't buy? There isn't room enough on this site to list all the institutions that DON'T carry ImmunoCAP. Go find out why.
 






Anonymous said:
For all you $40,000 a year uneducated Labcorp reps - once and for all - Pharmacia Diagnostics (now Phadia) created RAST and replaced it with new technology - ImmunoCAP. All the major institutions - Johns Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, Yale, etc. etc. have ImmunoCAP machines. Quest does not own ImmunoCAP - they are just one of Phadia's largest customers who offer it. RAST is in the past. We don't pay for all the thousands of positive mentions in literature - our test is just cited because it is superior. Look at this link from Wikipedia - an independent encyclopedia source on the web that gives info. about everything - they even have it right and we didn't pay them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAST_test
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Oh. So Phadia is the only company that upgrades their technology? Keep trying.
 






Spare yourselves the anguish of arguing ImmunoCap vs. RAST, whatever. In-vitro allergy tests, all of them, are expensive, bogus tests. Most PCP's do not order in-vitro allergy tests for those reasons. Allergy shots are a total pain and usually not helpful vs. the expense involved! Better to stick with the inhaled corticosteroids, the albuterols, etc.
 






Anonymous said:
Anyone can put anything on Wikipedia. Phadia drones put that there, bone head.

And of course, the information happens to be wrong.

Why would LabCorp want to carry a test that docs won't buy? There isn't room enough on this site to list all the institutions that DON'T carry ImmunoCAP. Go find out why.
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This might be the dumbest thing ever said on here. Who cares who "Doesn't"? Look who does: Mayo, Johns Hopkins, Cleveland Clinic, etc etc.
 






Anonymous said:
This might be the dumbest thing ever said on here. Who cares who "Doesn't"? Look who does: Mayo, Johns Hopkins, Cleveland Clinic, etc etc.
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Why do so few physicians use this testing at all?

Surely if Johns Hopkins and Mayo are using a test, everyone should be doing it?

Get real. Physicians make up their own minds. And they don't buy Quest's ImmunoCAP hype.
 


















Anonymous said:
For all you $40,000 a year uneducated Labcorp reps - once and for all - Pharmacia Diagnostics (now Phadia) created RAST and replaced it with new technology - ImmunoCAP. All the major institutions - Johns Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, Yale, etc. etc. have ImmunoCAP machines. Quest does not own ImmunoCAP - they are just one of Phadia's largest customers who offer it. RAST is in the past. We don't pay for all the thousands of positive mentions in literature - our test is just cited because it is superior. Look at this link from Wikipedia - an independent encyclopedia source on the web that gives info. about everything - they even have it right and we didn't pay them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAST_test
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Lesson 1: A couple Swedes came up with the first commercial test for measurement of IgE – a “RAST”. Then, a Texan and a New Jersey doc improved it and made it clinically relevant – and called it a Modified RAST. The Swedes started losing their shirts, not to mention their national pride. Testing was automated in the 90s by both Hycor and Pharmacia, and both companies came up with their own EIA tests (not “RAST”). Pharmacia fixed their automation problem, but not their sensitivity problem, because EIA has never been more sensitive than Modified RAST.

Lesson 2: Most companies guard their brand names jealously. “RAST” and “ImmunoCAP” are Pharmacia brand names. But Pharmacia came up with a creative marketing solution and a study to distance themselves from their original RAST, while at the same time lumping everyone else under that name: ImmunoCAP (an EIA test) was an improvement on Pharmacia’s own original “RAST” test (which lacked sensitivity), but it wasn’t an improvement on Hycor’s Modified RAST (which always had superior sensitivity). The marketing solution to Pharmacia’s problem was to distance themselves from their own “RAST” brand name, while emphasizing their “ImmunoCAP” brand name, and then label (“libel”) all their competitors’ tests as “RAST”, regardless of whether they are modified-RAST, new RIA, or EIA technologies. Of course, only the original Pharmacia RAST performed poorly, but Pharmacia did not let facts interfere with marketing, and they have been able to thoroughly confuse physicians about the performance characteristics of RIA, EIA, and more recently, advanced chemiluminescent technology. With more creative marketing, including giving away instruments at a convention in the late 90s, Pharmacia managed to increase their US market share, especially by promoting testing to primary care physicians. Since 2000, Pharmacia has been confusing physicians with a Williams et al. study that didn’t evaluate LabCorp’s current RIA test, or Hycor’s EIA test, and was cited as having “critical scientific and statistical flaws.”
 






Anonymous said:
Lesson 1: A couple Swedes came up with the first commercial test for measurement of IgE – a “RAST”. Then, a Texan and a New Jersey doc improved it and made it clinically relevant – and called it a Modified RAST. The Swedes started losing their shirts, not to mention their national pride. Testing was automated in the 90s by both Hycor and Pharmacia, and both companies came up with their own EIA tests (not “RAST”). Pharmacia fixed their automation problem, but not their sensitivity problem, because EIA has never been more sensitive than Modified RAST.

Lesson 2: Most companies guard their brand names jealously. “RAST” and “ImmunoCAP” are Pharmacia brand names. But Pharmacia came up with a creative marketing solution and a study to distance themselves from their original RAST, while at the same time lumping everyone else under that name: ImmunoCAP (an EIA test) was an improvement on Pharmacia’s own original “RAST” test (which lacked sensitivity), but it wasn’t an improvement on Hycor’s Modified RAST (which always had superior sensitivity). The marketing solution to Pharmacia’s problem was to distance themselves from their own “RAST” brand name, while emphasizing their “ImmunoCAP” brand name, and then label (“libel”) all their competitors’ tests as “RAST”, regardless of whether they are modified-RAST, new RIA, or EIA technologies. Of course, only the original Pharmacia RAST performed poorly, but Pharmacia did not let facts interfere with marketing, and they have been able to thoroughly confuse physicians about the performance characteristics of RIA, EIA, and more recently, advanced chemiluminescent technology. With more creative marketing, including giving away instruments at a convention in the late 90s, Pharmacia managed to increase their US market share, especially by promoting testing to primary care physicians. Since 2000, Pharmacia has been confusing physicians with a Williams et al. study that didn’t evaluate LabCorp’s current RIA test, or Hycor’s EIA test, and was cited as having “critical scientific and statistical flaws.”
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Didn't I just read this? Please don't repost the same things. I really don't like re-reading non-fiction stories.....once is enough.
 












Anonymous said:
Why do so few physicians use this testing at all?

Surely if Johns Hopkins and Mayo are using a test, everyone should be doing it?

Get real. Physicians make up their own minds. And they don't buy Quest's ImmunoCAP hype.
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I agree and actually LCA's uses Quest's own literature to document the difference. The Quest troll who started this thread clearly sees in himself what he sees in others.

But the bigger question is why do physicians use allergy testing at all? Because of the money they make because both companies provide the serums for free.

How many doctor's have you talked to that understood or were even aware of the WHO's position on "The Allergy March". If they really gave a shit then they would start allergy testing at an earlier age to hedge off asthma.
 






Anonymous said:
I agree and actually LCA's uses Quest's own literature to document the difference. The Quest troll who started this thread clearly sees in himself what he sees in others.

But the bigger question is why do physicians use allergy testing at all? Because of the money they make because both companies provide the serums for free.

How many doctor's have you talked to that understood or were even aware of the WHO's position on "The Allergy March". If they really gave a shit then they would start allergy testing at an earlier age to hedge off asthma.
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The Phadia troll is consumed by his own pride.
 






Anonymous said:
For all you $40,000 a year uneducated Labcorp reps - once and for all - Pharmacia Diagnostics (now Phadia) created RAST and replaced it with new technology - ImmunoCAP. All the major institutions - Johns Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, Yale, etc. etc. have ImmunoCAP machines. Quest does not own ImmunoCAP - they are just one of Phadia's largest customers who offer it. RAST is in the past. We don't pay for all the thousands of positive mentions in literature - our test is just cited because it is superior. Look at this link from Wikipedia - an independent encyclopedia source on the web that gives info. about everything - they even have it right and we didn't pay them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAST_test
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Wikipedia?

Wikipedia also said "Sinbad" died yesterday. This is the problem with all the "thousands of publications" that "support" ImmunoCAP. Like Wikipedia, virtually all of them are what Phadia (or people paid by Phadia) have to say about their own product. And most of it, like Wikipedia, is so biased and misleading that it would better be described as "propaganda," not objective fact.

Wikipedia:

"The St. Petersburg-based company, which describes itself as "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit," leaves it to a vast user community to catch factual errors and other problems. Apparently, someone edited it to say Sinbad died of a heart attack. By the time the error was caught, e-mail links of the erroneous page had been forwarded to hundreds of people.

A note on Sinbad's Wikipedia page Thursday night said the site has been temporarily protected from editing to deal with vandalism.

Wikipedia was created in 2001 as a Web research tool. It has more than 1.6 million articles, contributed by members of the public."
 






Anonymous said:
For all you $40,000 a year uneducated Labcorp reps - once and for all - Pharmacia Diagnostics (now Phadia) created RAST and replaced it with new technology - ImmunoCAP. All the major institutions - Johns Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, Yale, etc. etc. have ImmunoCAP machines. Quest does not own ImmunoCAP - they are just one of Phadia's largest customers who offer it. RAST is in the past. We don't pay for all the thousands of positive mentions in literature - our test is just cited because it is superior. Look at this link from Wikipedia - an independent encyclopedia source on the web that gives info. about everything - they even have it right and we didn't pay them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAST_test
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The Wikipedia "RAST" site is a Phadia infomercial, but it's missing the "info-babe" to sell it.
 






From what I understand Quest has about a 5 year patent on ImmunoCAP. Reality is LCA would love to get machines in house to compete but will have to cross their fingers and wait.
 












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Clearly, you have no real understanding.
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Let's get this straight. Johns Hopkins has an ImmunoCap machine in one of their remote labs for teaching purposes. This does not mean that all Hopkins doctors are on board with ImmunoCap. If they are using ImmunoCap, Phadia has no clue because all of their docs must use Hopkins labs which do not report their data to Quest (which is what the Phadia reps get paid off of). I know for a fact that ImmunoCap is not a test used often at all by ANY Hopkins doc.
 






Anonymous said:
Let's get this straight. Johns Hopkins has an ImmunoCap machine in one of their remote labs for teaching purposes. This does not mean that all Hopkins doctors are on board with ImmunoCap. If they are using ImmunoCap, Phadia has no clue because all of their docs must use Hopkins labs which do not report their data to Quest (which is what the Phadia reps get paid off of). I know for a fact that ImmunoCap is not a test used often at all by ANY Hopkins doc.
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And why do you suppose that is the case?
 






Anonymous said:
Let's get this straight. Johns Hopkins has an ImmunoCap machine in one of their remote labs for teaching purposes. This does not mean that all Hopkins doctors are on board with ImmunoCap. If they are using ImmunoCap, Phadia has no clue because all of their docs must use Hopkins labs which do not report their data to Quest (which is what the Phadia reps get paid off of). I know for a fact that ImmunoCap is not a test used often at all by ANY Hopkins doc.
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"I know for a fact that ImmunoCap is not a test used often at all by ANY Hopkins doc"

How the heck do you know that? I'm sure there are plenty of physicians at Hopkins that use ImmunoCAP.
 






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