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No matter what you think of Bush, can you imagine that whiner Gore as president, especially on 9/11?

Yeah, I can. At least we wouldn't have invaded Iraq (which Bushwhacker admits he wouldn't have done had he had good info - nudge, nudge, wink, wink!). So that would have saved the 4 or 5 trillion he wasted in Iraq, people would have tired of him and I doubt Barack Obama would have ever been president. He wasn't elected on his merits or track record, he was elected as a repudiation of what Bush fucked up. No fuckup, no need to repudiate a fuckup.

It ain't rocket science. You're blind hatred of Democrats leaves you so willing to shoot yourself in the foot.
 
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You're in Modmo? Are you givin' out spreads on the Sports thread again?

No. I can't be myself while in Modmo. As a result, I can't entertain. Why Sarah can't see the absolute beauty of my very essence, is quite remarkable. 2 to 1 this post gets whacked...and you will never get the opportunity to chuckle at it.:D
 






Yeah, I can. At least we wouldn't have invaded Iraq (which Bushwhacker admits he wouldn't have done had he had good info - nudge, nudge, wink, wink!). So that would have saved the 4 or 5 trillion he wasted in Iraq, people would have tired of him and I doubt Barack Obama would have ever been president. He wasn't elected on his merits or track record, he was elected as a repudiation of what Bush fucked up. No fuckup, no need to repudiate a fuckup.

It ain't rocket science. You're blind hatred of Democrats leaves you so willing to shoot yourself in the foot.

Is that right? You know it was a Clinton policy that had a stated goal of removing sadam from power, right? It is easy to make those kind of statements from the sidelines, much like obama's plans to end the wars, close gitmo and more.

If gore had been president I would be wearing a burka.
 






Yeah, I can. At least we wouldn't have invaded Iraq (which Bushwhacker admits he wouldn't have done had he had good info - nudge, nudge, wink, wink!). So that would have saved the 4 or 5 trillion he wasted in Iraq, people would have tired of him and I doubt Barack Obama would have ever been president. He wasn't elected on his merits or track record, he was elected as a repudiation of what Bush fucked up. No fuckup, no need to repudiate a fuckup.

It ain't rocket science. You're blind hatred of Democrats leaves you so willing to shoot yourself in the foot.

I find it fascinating that whenever the so-called "brotherly love" liberals talk about the Gulf War II, the first thing they want to talk about is always the money that it cost. No discussion of the human misery, like the millions of people tortured and murdered by Saddam Hussein during his 24-year rule? No mention of the 3,000 Americans who have died in the ten years of American presence in Iraq an Afghanistan? No mention of the genocide of 100,000 Iraqi Kurds? No mention of the 500,000 Iranian and Iraqi soldiers killed in Saddam's war there?

No mention of the fact that Saddam murdered his own citizens every day? Or have you forgotten about those videos of the executions? You didn't catch the liberal money disease, did you?

Anyhow, since you insist on talking about the money, let's talk about it. You said that Bush spent uh....let's see...

... 4 or 5 trillion he wasted in Iraq...

Actually it was somewhat less than that, but let's use your figure. The eventual projected cost could hit your number. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that be just about the entire 8-year budget deficit of the GWB administration? And less than President OBlahBlah has spent in not even three? So much for all of the so called wild spending of the Bush administration. Using your own numbers, if it hadn't been for Katrina, the budget deficit under Bush would have actually gone down significantly, right?

Just thought I'd ask. By the way, fishing the Lahonton Reservoir is great. Didn't catch any today, but the fishing is always great, even if the catching isn't.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html

http://www.gendercide.org/case_anfal.html
 
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Human suffering? Are you saying we went into Iraq to stop human suffering? If we're so concerned about human suffering why aren't w in Darfur? We don't give a rat's ass about human suffering, what we care about is oil.
 






More evidence of your poor thinking.

In Iraq, human suffering was aligned with our legitimate national security interests. In Darfur, they aren't.

Besides, it folks more aligned with yourself who whine and cry about Darfur and yet criticize Bush when he did indeed alleviate tremendous human suffering and dispose of a maniacal tyrant.

This is a fine example of how you earn the label of liberal.
 






More evidence of your poor thinking.

In Iraq, human suffering was aligned with our legitimate national security interests. In Darfur, they aren't.

Besides, it folks more aligned with yourself who whine and cry about Darfur and yet criticize Bush when he did indeed alleviate tremendous human suffering and dispose of a maniacal tyrant.

This is a fine example of how you earn the label of liberal.

Right, our national security risk of keeping Iran & Iraq at each others throats (LOL) as Ronald Reagan effectively did? Like the Donald says, as soon as we're out completely, Iran owns Iraq and we have one giant enemy over there whih was exactly what we didn't want. Thanks W, thanks a bunch.

BTW@, the terrorist training camps were in Afghanistan not Iraq and even Bushwhacker said recently his biggest regret was the shitty intelligence he had re: WMDs. Had he known differently, he wouldn't have gone in.

BTW, I'm no libbie humanitarian sayting we shjould be in Darfur. I only used that to exemplify the silliness of your remark about coming to the rescue of poor mistreated souls. I think we should not be in Darfur and should never have been in Iraq. Let nature take it's course. Let their starving millions rot - it needs to happen to thin out the herd. Too many people, not enough food. That's another plus for abortion - keeps the population down. Get it? :cool:
 






A major win was gained for Darfur with the US government and many businesses divesting funds from the area. This was done before the hollywood sect even knew where Darfur was, driven by student activists.
 






Is that right? You know it was a Clinton policy that had a stated goal of removing sadam from power, right? It is easy to make those kind of statements from the sidelines, much like obama's plans to end the wars, close gitmo and more.

Clinton was the one who signed into law the "Project for the new American Century".

This odious piece of crap llegislation initiated the onslaught of neoconservative ideology framed by literally hundreds of war mongering neocons..all encompassing chicken hawks...those that had never served one stinking day of service....but were quite pleased in sending our kids overseas to die....fighting supposed enemies that our intel agencies...all 16 of them.....who stated in memos that none of these states posed a threat to our national security. The plan called for MUCH MORE than the removal of Saddam Hussein, but a complete expansion of our military across the globe....through bloodshed of our own soldiers.

Here, I had thought you were turning the corner in your understanding of our horrible foreign policy of spreading democracy through terrorist means.

If you don't like wiki...then let me know. There are many, many links to this.

And btw, Bush 43 was against everything related to the Project for the New Century America during election year, before he was for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
 
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You didn't read my lips. I could give 3 shits about Darfur. That comment was directed at the silliness of the notion we went into Iraq to rescue poor mistreated souls. Bush was pissed because Sadman put a hit out on his dad. He was seeing red, his mind was made up - "Don't confuse me with the facts!"

Stupid fucking war started by a brain dead president and now expanded into Afghanistan by another brain dead president.
 






You didn't read my lips. I could give 3 shits about Darfur. That comment was directed at the silliness of the notion we went into Iraq to rescue poor mistreated souls. Bush was pissed because Sadman put a hit out on his dad. He was seeing red, his mind was made up - "Don't confuse me with the facts!"

Stupid fucking war started by a brain dead president and now expanded into Afghanistan by another brain dead president.

So what would you have suggested as a response to 9/11?
 






Human suffering? Are you saying we went into Iraq to stop human suffering? If we're so concerned about human suffering why aren't w in Darfur? We don't give a rat's ass about human suffering, what we care about is oil.

Ok. Then could you please tell me what h appened to all that free oil we got from winning the war?
 






I find it fascinating that whenever the so-called "brotherly love" liberals talk about the Gulf War II, the first thing they want to talk about is always the money that it cost. No discussion of the human misery, like the millions of people tortured and murdered by Saddam Hussein during his 24-year rule?

First off, only someone that is politically ignorant would state that only liberals have a problem with what you call "Gulf War II". Moreover, your opinion reeks of rancid stench in citing "money blown" as the primary exception us pro Constitutionalists cite for the enormous blunder of invading a country that was no threat to our own sovereinty and safety.

Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator that killed, not his own people" as you allege, but political enemies that were a perceived threat to his reign...i.e. The Sunnis and to a much lesser extent, the Kurds. But beyond all that, the mission of "Gulf War II" was sold to the gullible sheeple...like yourself, was that Saddam posed an imminent threat to our country, inspite of the fact that none existed...at all, at all, at all.

As we all know today, the mission was based on intelligence deliberate manipulation encompassing scores and scores of lies....to the members of Congress, the American people, and most importantly, our recent high school grads who died thinking they were fighting states that orchestrated the attack on 9-11.

And your "scoreboard of misery" is so far off one begs to wonder if you have ever read a stat chart on the total casualties over there.

Our dead have exceeded 4600, with our "maimed for life" figure hovering over 40,000....those that are permanently maimed for life...and will have to be taken care of from the IOW's of our future taxpayers...because Lord knows....we are completely broke.

No mention of the 3,000 Americans who have died in the ten years of American presence in Iraq an Afghanistan? No mention of the genocide of 100,000 Iraqi Kurds? No mention of the 500,000 Iranian and Iraqi soldiers killed in Saddam's war there?

The Iran/Iraq war was none of our goddamned business...yet we made it our business, did we not? Would you enjoy it if I posted a picture of Donald Rumsfeld smiling, while shaking hands with Saddam Hussein in 1983? Well would you? Does it bother you in the least that we supplied arms and money to Saddam Hussein in the 80's?

9quote]No mention of the fact that Saddam murdered his own citizens every day? Or have you forgotten about those videos of the executions? You didn't catch the liberal money disease, did you? [/quote]

Saddam Hussein was a murderous dictator....but he did NOT murder his own people. His own people were his loyalist Shia branch of the Muslim religion, the far more sectarian group. He was at war. Peopke at war kill their enemies. That's what the definition of war is.

Anyhow, since you insist on talking about the money, let's talk about it. You said that Bush spent uh....let's see...

Yes indeed, let's talk about it. Keep in mind.....Bush and his minions were not transparent in the costs associated with Iraq. A slimeball thing to do...for sure.



Actually it was somewhat less than that, but let's use your figure. The eventual projected cost could hit your number. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that be just about the entire 8-year budget deficit of the GWB administration? And less than President OBlahBlah has spent in not even three? So much for all of the so called wild spending of the Bush administration. Using your own numbers, if it hadn't been for Katrina, the budget deficit under Bush would have actually gone down significantly, right?

SMFH. We are talking about the cost of war....stay on topic.