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1 has been withdrawn from the Australian market, the other hasn't.

Both were developed by the same people, using the same tools.

1st was developed with nothing but research & development. 2nd had the 1st as a reference design and the clinical results that come with it.
 








Anonymous said:
What kind of amateur hour is being entertained at SN knee marketing? Journey 2? If the founders of Enron were going to start a new company, does anyone think they'd name it Enron 2? What's shit company. I heard they offering competitive reps ten year contracts at 20% commission, just to try and steal talent?

Lol DESPERATE.
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Just implanted on our first patient. Doc that would do a GenII in under an hour of tourniquet time took 80+. Tough to balance....balancer/sizer instrument was described as clumsy and awkward. He wants to ditch it and go back to spacer blocks/measured resection on the next one. Hope it goes better.
 
















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Just implanted on our first patient. Doc that would do a GenII in under an hour of tourniquet time took 80+. Tough to balance....balancer/sizer instrument was described as clumsy and awkward. He wants to ditch it and go back to spacer blocks/measured resection on the next one. Hope it goes better.
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Balance at 30-60-90 only...balancer will add time...Visionaire option?
 








QUOTE=Anonymous;5063857]Balance at 30-60-90 only...balancer will add time...Visionaire option?[/QUOTE]

Visionaire hasn't been a viable option in years. Look at the Maude data on that mess.
 








I found 30 in the last year. 99% of these were "staff having trouble making blocks fit". It's frustrating, but far from a "mess" as you categorized it. In my 100+ case experience, it's almost always the varus/valgus on the tibia which can easily be corrected using the two pins, metal block and adjusting with the third pin.

Visionaire is a great tool, expensive, but has made many poor surgeons faster and more efficient in the OR, while providing excellent results.

I'll give you the cost objection, but the maude database is a clinically insignificant % based on the xx,xxx done/year.
 








Anonymous said:
I found 30 in the last year. 99% of these were "staff having trouble making blocks fit". It's frustrating, but far from a "mess" as you categorized it. In my 100+ case experience, it's almost always the varus/valgus on the tibia which can easily be corrected using the two pins, metal block and adjusting with the third pin.

Visionaire is a great tool, expensive, but has made many poor surgeons faster and more efficient in the OR, while providing excellent results.

I'll give you the cost objection, but the maude database is a clinically insignificant % based on the xx,xxx done/year.
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Expensive???? You all eroded price right out of the gate. Your reps are lucky to get $300 in my territory.
 
















QUOTE=Anonymous;5066150]I found 30 in the last year. 99% of these were "staff having trouble making blocks fit". It's frustrating, but far from a "mess" as you categorized it. In my 100+ case experience, it's almost always the varus/valgus on the tibia which can easily be corrected using the two pins, metal block and adjusting with the third pin.

Visionaire is a great tool, expensive, but has made many poor surgeons faster and more efficient in the OR, while providing excellent results.

I'll give you the cost objection, but the maude database is a clinically insignificant % based on the xx,xxx done/year.[/QUOTE]

For every complaint reported there are 10 that aren't. Expectations for the blocks fitting correctly "as advertised" are gone. What are the customers getting for that extra $1500? After a couple instances of poor fitting blocks, surgeons are giving up on it. I don't need products that create doubt for my customers.
 
























Looks like you had AN AXE TO GRIND this morning with all your posts around 0530...we are selling J2 because some surgeons want to be able to have their patients get more from a TKA than alleviating pain. Perhaps you don't work for S&N because you would understand the difference...or maybe you're just one of this lousy company's awful reps who just wants to survive month to month with no interest in patient outcomes and arrive 5 minutes before the case and hope that all your implants are there and that your 1997 GEN II trays are complete?
 








Anonymous said:
Looks like you had AN AXE TO GRIND this morning with all your posts around 0530...we are selling J2 because some surgeons want to be able to have their patients get more from a TKA than alleviating pain. Perhaps you don't work for S&N because you would understand the difference...or maybe you're just one of this lousy company's awful reps who just wants to survive month to month with no interest in patient outcomes and arrive 5 minutes before the case and hope that all your implants are there and that your 1997 GEN II trays are complete?
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What does a patient get more out of Journey Knee, other than dislocation and then revision?

SN - Dying brand. Dying company.
 








I'm not with Snn or any Ortho company (neuro) in a very large city. Snn does very well in this city. If the products are that bad, why are major hospitals using them that much?
 








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I'm not with Snn or any Ortho company (neuro) in a very large city. Snn does very well in this city. If the products are that bad, why are major hospitals using them that much?
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There are about 100 different reasons why a particular surgeon chooses to use a particular implant. In SmithNephew's case, clinical outcomes typically isn't one of those reasons.
 








Anonymous said:
I'm not with Snn or any Ortho company (neuro) in a very large city. Snn does very well in this city. If the products are that bad, why are major hospitals using them that much?
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Probably speaks more to the stability of the sales team and relationships the distributor and reps have developed with the docs.
 
























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