JARDIANCE CONTEST

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Anonymous said:
We are giving the stuff away for free-no one should get a kicker when there is no money coming in
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How are the giving it away for free dumbass when it goes through a commercial Rx benefits plan? You see this is the problem these days you get dumb-fucks who no. Itching posting on here. You're a waste of a person.
 




Anonymous said:
How are the giving it away for free dumbass when it goes through a commercial Rx benefits plan? You see this is the problem these days you get dumb-fucks who no. Itching posting on here. You're a waste of a person.
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Except for the Rx's that do not go through a commercial payer because of a restriction.

Whether it goes through plan or not, it is still expensive.
 








All medications are outrageously expensive in the US. How else is a pharmacy supposed to open up on every corner in America, it's not off the 3 dollar generic Asa they sell. Try getting generics ciproflxin wo insurance and see how much you are gouged by a pharmacy.
 




Anonymous said:
I completely agree with the garbage assertion. Reward the teams that get doctors to write the most as well. Look at the teams on top of the contest, they generate very few scripts. Yet the teams that have 10 times more scripts are not even on the list because their goals are so high! Potential? That's crap. You have to earn every scripts. 3 scripts and they are leading the contest? BI will lose money out of this deal! Unfair. I agree.
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i disagree with this. So lets look at this if invokana and farxiga launched in territory A and had average 44 scripts at 13 weeks and territory B when they launched they had 145 scripts at 13 weeks. You're saying territory B should have a goal of 44 scripts just like territory A? thats just down right stupid. When 2 different companies each launch with an average of 44 scripts good chance that territory will not do anywhere close to 145 scripts. You ever heard of a word called forecast? you clearly have only been selling pharma for your whole career. Yes, we all fight for every script but market shows that territory B will most likely do close to 145 scripts from previous trend. Just like new york will do far more volume then say wyoming. Yes, I get where you're coming from. it would be nice to get paid out a % on total volume. But when the big wigs sit up top and do a big forecast all our little territories equate to the big number and that number has to be realistic because that number is way bigger than you will ever be.
 
















Anonymous said:
Good, then the best rep will win. Especially true in commercial with the savings card.
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Very true. If you can sell then you will turn out scripts. Those that are not getting scripts should be looked at hard. I truly believe selling a me 2 drug 3rd to market with the only means of getting the drug is with a savings card seperates a good rep from ones that should be shown the door.
 




Anonymous said:
i disagree with this. So lets look at this if invokana and farxiga launched in territory A and had average 44 scripts at 13 weeks and territory B when they launched they had 145 scripts at 13 weeks. You're saying territory B should have a goal of 44 scripts just like territory A? thats just down right stupid. When 2 different companies each launch with an average of 44 scripts good chance that territory will not do anywhere close to 145 scripts. You ever heard of a word called forecast? you clearly have only been selling pharma for your whole career. Yes, we all fight for every script but market shows that territory B will most likely do close to 145 scripts from previous trend. Just like new york will do far more volume then say wyoming. Yes, I get where you're coming from. it would be nice to get paid out a % on total volume. But when the big wigs sit up top and do a big forecast all our little territories equate to the big number and that number has to be realistic because that number is way bigger than you will ever be.
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Yes, I have heard of forecast. It gives me more reasons to doubt the system. Let me ask everyone here: Does anyone trust the forcasting at B.I?
 




I think they change scripts, our vinsights is always late which helps us go where the business is. Speedy and vinsights don't match and i know drs that count what they wrote and things don't line up with what we show.
 




Anonymous said:
It levels the playing field. For example, teams in New Jersey traditionally do well during a launch because its on the state formulary right away. Those scripts may not be as profitable compared to being written on a 3rd tier commercial plan in other areas. No, not a perfect contest, but at least it gives everyone a chance.
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You will be happy to know that at least in this part of NJ we don't have a prayer of making goal. Not talking kicker goal, just regular goal.
 




Anonymous said:
i disagree with this. So lets look at this if invokana and farxiga launched in territory A and had average 44 scripts at 13 weeks and territory B when they launched they had 145 scripts at 13 weeks. You're saying territory B should have a goal of 44 scripts just like territory A? thats just down right stupid. When 2 different companies each launch with an average of 44 scripts good chance that territory will not do anywhere close to 145 scripts. You ever heard of a word called forecast? you clearly have only been selling pharma for your whole career. Yes, we all fight for every script but market shows that territory B will most likely do close to 145 scripts from previous trend. Just like new york will do far more volume then say wyoming. Yes, I get where you're coming from. it would be nice to get paid out a % on total volume. But when the big wigs sit up top and do a big forecast all our little territories equate to the big number and that number has to be realistic because that number is way bigger than you will ever be.
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The mistake in logic that is being made is the assumption that territory B will have a market of 145 rx. Think about it, there needs to be 145 new patients which will all go on Jardiance. So you have a class of drugs with 3 agents and the assumption is that Jardiance would get 100% of that market. Therefore the assumption is that all new patients to the class will go on Jardiance or that the class will go so quickly that Jardiance only needs to get 1/3 of the rx and that equals 145? What is being missed is the law of large numbers and the point of diminishing returns. You are way better off being in a small market with a low quota. Our quota is 3x larger than some other territories. Our market is actually slowing down. So the only answer is to steal share from the other drugs. As we all know this is not an overnight process. Finally, one of the smartest things ever said in this business, the rep make 20% difference in a territory, the rest is all luck.
 




Anonymous said:
Since the card ONLY works for commercial ins then you are a bigger dumbass than previously thought.
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Hey dumbass. If the commercial insurer has a restriction in place on the drug, the card bypasses the plan and WE become the payer. Now we have the entire cost of drug.

Do you understand how the card works? There are degrees of it being 'free' in terms of who pays for it.
 








Anonymous said:
The mistake in logic that is being made is the assumption that territory B will have a market of 145 rx. Think about it, there needs to be 145 new patients which will all go on Jardiance. So you have a class of drugs with 3 agents and the assumption is that Jardiance would get 100% of that market. Therefore the assumption is that all new patients to the class will go on Jardiance or that the class will go so quickly that Jardiance only needs to get 1/3 of the rx and that equals 145? What is being missed is the law of large numbers and the point of diminishing returns. You are way better off being in a small market with a low quota. Our quota is 3x larger than some other territories. Our market is actually slowing down. So the only answer is to steal share from the other drugs. As we all know this is not an overnight process. Finally, one of the smartest things ever said in this business, the rep make 20% difference in a territory, the rest is all luck.
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This is the point of a me 2. 3rd to market isn't meant to help people it's meant to capture the market, welcome to big pharma. If pharma was in the business to help people they would come out with someone new not something that another company came out with.
 




Anonymous said:
The mistake in logic that is being made is the assumption that territory B will have a market of 145 rx. Think about it, there needs to be 145 new patients which will all go on Jardiance. So you have a class of drugs with 3 agents and the assumption is that Jardiance would get 100% of that market. Therefore the assumption is that all new patients to the class will go on Jardiance or that the class will go so quickly that Jardiance only needs to get 1/3 of the rx and that equals 145? What is being missed is the law of large numbers and the point of diminishing returns. You are way better off being in a small market with a low quota. Our quota is 3x larger than some other territories. Our market is actually slowing down. So the only answer is to steal share from the other drugs. As we all know this is not an overnight process. Finally, one of the smartest things ever said in this business, the rep make 20% difference in a territory, the rest is all luck.
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I couldn't agree more. There are doctors that want to write but they have to look for new patients. And the patients already on other sglt2 are getting the drug for free too! So why switch? One year free and possible renewal for another. My main point is this, why punish the territories that actually sell more scripts by setting such high goals? As far as the contest, there are teams that are almost 600% to goal for the kicker. That means they are about 1000% to goal for IC and President's Club. And they only have about 10 copay card redemption up to the latest report. Look up the leaderboard report and look up the scripts for the leaders, it will make you sick. BI will pay these people thousands for IC and pay for a trip to Maui for getting about 30 scripts by year end. Wouldn't it be more fair to set goals that will benefit the teams that sells more? How about setting a minimum of scripts before you can qualify for the contest?
 




Anonymous said:
I couldn't agree more. There are doctors that want to write but they have to look for new patients. And the patients already on other sglt2 are getting the drug for free too! So why switch? One year free and possible renewal for another. My main point is this, why punish the territories that actually sell more scripts by setting such high goals? As far as the contest, there are teams that are almost 600% to goal for the kicker. That means they are about 1000% to goal for IC and President's Club. And they only have about 10 copay card redemption up to the latest report. Look up the leaderboard report and look up the scripts for the leaders, it will make you sick. BI will pay these people thousands for IC and pay for a trip to Maui for getting about 30 scripts by year end. Wouldn't it be more fair to set goals that will benefit the teams that sells more? How about setting a minimum of scripts before you can qualify for the contest?
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11 more contest weeks. Baseline volumes and goals go up exponentially. Quit your bellyaching, get new patients and refills and plan for strong uptake, just like Invokana and Farxiga's before you.
 




Our goals are in comparison to when farxiga and invokana launched but they didn't launch during thanks giving, Christmas and new years. We really got screwed on 3 weeks that goaling department didn't account for ..
 




Anonymous said:
11 more contest weeks. Baseline volumes and goals go up exponentially. Quit your bellyaching, get new patients and refills and plan for strong uptake, just like Invokana and Farxiga's before you.
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Keep drinking the Kool aid AHOLE. Stay in your office and watch those dirty movies. Don't for get to wash your hand after. Ok AHOLE? Get your assss in the field. You don't know shiet.
 




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