It is just free market capitalism

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http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/25/opinion/matloff-hp-layoffs/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

You see, it impacts everyone; from tech to production to sales. Don't take it personally, it is just business. It is called deconstructive construction.

What you should do is become part of a Capital Investment company like I did. Then you will see it from a better perspective and be able to build your future.

Remember, corporations are people too!



Mitt
 




http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/25/opinion/matloff-hp-layoffs/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

You see, it impacts everyone; from tech to production to sales. Don't take it personally, it is just business. It is called deconstructive construction.

What you should do is become part of a Capital Investment company like I did. Then you will see it from a better perspective and be able to build your future.

Remember, corporations are people too!



Mitt

Just to tame the naysayers--

"HP's current CEO, Meg Whitman, conceded that layoffs "adversely impact people's lives." But she insisted that the action is necessary."
 




Just to tame the naysayers--

"HP's current CEO, Meg Whitman, conceded that layoffs "adversely impact people's lives." But she insisted that the action is necessary."

You needed to read that from Meg to be pissed? Do you remember all the DIGNITY AND RESPECT horse$hit we heard from Peter Kim, Dick Clark, Ken Frazier and Chris Scalet when the waves of layoffs started rolling through? Or how it was NECESSARY to keep the company afloat? I guess you don't because you're still there. Those who still have a job don't understand that if layoffs don't happen, cost structures aren't kept in line with revenues then the WHOLE company goes down and you're all on the bread line. But yeah, keep criticizing valid business decisions while you still make the cut.

When Americans started thinking it was better to buy 10 $5 t-shirts at Walmart that were made in China instead of just the 5 they needed for $10 that were made in NYC is when we started our own demise. Drove out jobs, drove down wages and decimated the tax base. How many TV's are in your house? None made in the USA because you'd rather have one in nearly every room than pay what one would cost if working in a TV factory supported a worker's family.

These posts make me sick. You people are your own worst enemy and stupid to the core.
 




You needed to read that from Meg to be pissed? Do you remember all the DIGNITY AND RESPECT horse$hit we heard from Peter Kim, Dick Clark, Ken Frazier and Chris Scalet when the waves of layoffs started rolling through? Or how it was NECESSARY to keep the company afloat? I guess you don't because you're still there. Those who still have a job don't understand that if layoffs don't happen, cost structures aren't kept in line with revenues then the WHOLE company goes down and you're all on the bread line. But yeah, keep criticizing valid business decisions while you still make the cut.

When Americans started thinking it was better to buy 10 $5 t-shirts at Walmart that were made in China instead of just the 5 they needed for $10 that were made in NYC is when we started our own demise. Drove out jobs, drove down wages and decimated the tax base. How many TV's are in your house? None made in the USA because you'd rather have one in nearly every room than pay what one would cost if working in a TV factory supported a worker's family.

These posts make me sick. You people are your own worst enemy and stupid to the core.

Wah, wah, wah! Another socialist, whining and entitlement seeking worker.

No one promised you a job. No one guaranteed you a job. No one promised that things wouldn't change.

Life is constantly changing. Get used to it or it will run right past you.

This is what free market capitalism is. Simple. Eat or be eaten.

We need to get the government off the back of the corporations and let the bankers be free of restrictions in investing.

That in turn will make more jobs for everyone. If you can't adjust-you will lose. Time to adjust.

Mitt
 




The scary part is the psycho signing their posts Mitt wants you to believe that shite so you'll vote Oblah-blah. Business follows the market. America wanted cheap goods so they could buy more quantity - China has cheap labor so they sent manufacturing there and gave the public what it demanded - cheap crap. Now the public realizes they've screwed themselves out of jobs but its more convenient to blame the company that packed off their job than their insatiable appetite for cheap crap.

The smart people, in the meantime, invested in companies that cater to the greedy masses and turned a profit on it. They still have jobs, savings, their homes because they were smart enough to profit from other people's greed instead of letting it engulf them too.
 




....Business follows the market. America wanted cheap goods so they could buy more quantity - China has cheap labor so they sent manufacturing there and gave the public what it demanded - cheap crap. Now the public realizes they've screwed themselves out of jobs but its more convenient to blame the company that packed off their job than their insatiable appetite for cheap crap.....

Exactly.

Only the 1% are the ones that had the opportunity to invest in companies that catered to the greedy masses and eventually the 1%er are the ones who are letting the greedy masses go. Greed is good. It serves me well in the Cayman Islands.

But, hey-that's free market. Tough luck to the masses. I'm a 1%'er and happy to be so.

Mitt
 




Just to tame the naysayers--

"HP's current CEO, Meg Whitman, conceded that layoffs "adversely impact people's lives." But she insisted that the action is necessary."

This is because HP bought EDS. EDS was a great company. The best in class and made big money. HP paid around 14 billion for them. That was a high price but the company was innovative and had a strong track record. HP tried to bring its culture to EDS. Bad move. That imploded EDS. HP did not know enough about how EDS operated and forced processes and procedures that did not make sense. Most of the layoffs are EDS people. They should have left them alone and they would be making money hand over fist.

Same thing happened when Symantec bought Veritas. Veritas was the 800 pound gorilla in the backup world. Symantec buys them and bang, they take Veritas down hard. They also put in rules,regulations, and a different culture on how to do things. Once again. It’s a 800 pound gorilla, leave it alone.

Now smaller companies like Veeam, Commvault, Bacula, NovaBackup and getting big real quick because they are beating Symantec and HP to the punch. These small little crap companies took all the great players and now run circles around them

Sound familiar? Merck buys a great company like SP, drives it to the ground. Now the smaller companies are beating us to the punch.


Soon Merck will let me go and I will try to hook up to a smaller company or retire.
 








We are running right into another economic slowdown. Companies are not even hitting their lowered numbers right now. China is in trouble, Europe is getting crushed, and we are slowly ticking down. I hope I am wrong but we could be screwed. Normally in the final year of an election, the economy looks good. The incumbents throw money all over the place to make sure people vote for them to get reelected. That is what is really scary right now. They always make sure road work is done during this time of year to artificially lower the unemployment. This way everyone is happy because the rate goes down. That is not happening now. Most economists are predicting a slowdown in hiring.
 




You needed to read that from Meg to be pissed? Do you remember all the DIGNITY AND RESPECT horse$hit we heard from Peter Kim, Dick Clark, Ken Frazier and Chris Scalet when the waves of layoffs started rolling through? Or how it was NECESSARY to keep the company afloat? I guess you don't because you're still there. Those who still have a job don't understand that if layoffs don't happen, cost structures aren't kept in line with revenues then the WHOLE company goes down and you're all on the bread line. But yeah, keep criticizing valid business decisions while you still make the cut.

When Americans started thinking it was better to buy 10 $5 t-shirts at Walmart that were made in China instead of just the 5 they needed for $10 that were made in NYC is when we started our own demise. Drove out jobs, drove down wages and decimated the tax base. How many TV's are in your house? None made in the USA because you'd rather have one in nearly every room than pay what one would cost if working in a TV factory supported a worker's family.

These posts make me sick. You people are your own worst enemy and stupid to the core.

OK, fool: number one, who decided to send those jobs to China and then import the product back? Answer: The elite greedy 'capitalists' at every company. Why do the leaders of these companies tell you about the necessity of layoffs? Answer: So the stockholders are happy and they get THEIR 50 million dollar bonuses. It is NOT and was NEVER to save teh company. My God, you are a little Kool Aid drinking and need a lesson in economy.

Question: When 90 percent of ALL the dollars in the country, meaning dollars for starting businesses, dollars for paying employees, dollars for supporting our social structure and all its programs, dollars for SS, dollars for investing/retirement (you get the point) are own by only 5 percent of the people, what do you think happens to a society? Answer? (I can wait to hear/read your brilliant answer.)

Here's another brainiac: If people are out of work and cannot keep up with the cost of living, do you really think they have the money to buy the 20 dollar t-shirt rather than the 5 dollar one made in China? Answer: No. (Who decided to make it there and undercut the Made in America competitor? How many of our own medications from American companies are now made overseas? Where is research headed (highest paid area of pharma?)
 




OK, fool: number one, who decided to send those jobs to China and then import the product back? Answer: The elite greedy 'capitalists' at every company. Why do the leaders of these companies tell you about the necessity of layoffs? Answer: So the stockholders are happy and they get THEIR 50 million dollar bonuses. It is NOT and was NEVER to save teh company. My God, you are a little Kool Aid drinking and need a lesson in economy.

Question: When 90 percent of ALL the dollars in the country, meaning dollars for starting businesses, dollars for paying employees, dollars for supporting our social structure and all its programs, dollars for SS, dollars for investing/retirement (you get the point) are own by only 5 percent of the people, what do you think happens to a society? Answer? (I can wait to hear/read your brilliant answer.)

Here's another brainiac: If people are out of work and cannot keep up with the cost of living, do you really think they have the money to buy the 20 dollar t-shirt rather than the 5 dollar one made in China? Answer: No. (Who decided to make it there and undercut the Made in America competitor? How many of our own medications from American companies are now made overseas? Where is research headed (highest paid area of pharma?)

Another fool with no sense of history. The majority of stocks are owned by institutions (401ks, pension funds, etc), hedge funds and THEN individuals. 401k funds own more stock than even the 1% you so blindly have been fooled into hating.

How did companies become so short-sighted and driven by stockholder demand for profit? When the LAWS were changed by people YOU likely voted for that created the 401k, or defined contribution plan as it is more broadly known. Employees thought it was great to have control of their retirement money companies thought it was even greater to shed their pension burdens - already adding to profits with some sleight of hand.

Jobs to China - HOW did THAT happen (scratches head)?! Well, in the go-go 80s when the 1% were made of the cocaine dealers and their clients, everyone was having too good a time with life - we had just survived the oil crisis - they wanted everything that those 1%ers had but we didn't make money like the 1%ers. After all, there's only so much old money to go around or marry into. So companies had to find a way to make things at a lower cost so they could sell them at a lower cost.

Voila! We can pay the communist, unskilled labor in China pennies on the dollar what Americans get, THEN we can lower prices for Americans! And oh we loved them for it! 401ks were UP, household expenses were down AND we had LOTS of shiny , new, Made in China stuff to show off! We were out shopping ALL the time - just like we imagined the 1% were. Life was G-R-E-A-T!

Then China wanted more - they have their own BOOMING middle class now. They make their living supplying what we can now bearly afford because our greed sent them our jobs. An unintended consequence for wanting to be like we thought the 1% was. Now we whine about the people who have always had the money because they know how to manage it but since we spent all of ours on cheap $hit from China and surrendered our jobs to them for those 'luxuries' and a 401k that we thought would never be stopped, we have nothing but we don't want to take responsibility, we want to blame.

All we did was give the 1% more opportunity in high finance when we demanded lower priced goods, they beat us at our own game because they always have. If you spent more time learning instead of whining and blaming you'd at least be able to make some money in the stock market along the way. Instead you cry when your nanny state goes broke from so many if you sucking it dry.
 




This is because HP bought EDS. EDS was a great company. The best in class and made big money. HP paid around 14 billion for them. That was a high price but the company was innovative and had a strong track record. HP tried to bring its culture to EDS. Bad move. That imploded EDS. HP did not know enough about how EDS operated and forced processes and procedures that did not make sense. Most of the layoffs are EDS people. They should have left them alone and they would be making money hand over fist.

Same thing happened when Symantec bought Veritas. Veritas was the 800 pound gorilla in the backup world. Symantec buys them and bang, they take Veritas down hard. They also put in rules,regulations, and a different culture on how to do things. Once again. It’s a 800 pound gorilla, leave it alone.

Now smaller companies like Veeam, Commvault, Bacula, NovaBackup and getting big real quick because they are beating Symantec and HP to the punch. These small little crap companies took all the great players and now run circles around them

Sound familiar? Merck buys a great company like SP, drives it to the ground. Now the smaller companies are beating us to the punch.


Soon Merck will let me go and I will try to hook up to a smaller company or retire.


different situation, they bought functioning companies and destroyed them. We bought crap SP. We spent so much time and money trying to get SP straightened out we took our eye off the ball. That is why little companies are beating us now. It's sad that we could never straighten out SP. We tried so hard to help them in all departments. It had to be one of the biggest failures in M&A history. SP bought nothing to the table after the merger. Almost 100% of the employees where utter failures in all departments. There is no one to blame except Merck. I mean even the lab equipment was old. They really had nothing. 41 billion dollars for horrible employees and a junkyard full of lab equipment, computers, and machinery with no intellectual property. We got suckered and it's our fault.
 




shit, much more than 41 billion. They needed to be retrained to work smart. When they were deemed too stupid to work start, we gave them a great deal to go away. 60 billion easily.
 




shit, much more than 41 billion. They needed to be retrained to work smart. When they were deemed too stupid to work start, we gave them a great deal to go away. 60 billion easily.

First: I no longer work for the New Merck. I have gone on to more interesting things.

I worked for the Old Merck doing process development in the Vagelos days and it was a pretty impressive place, with colleagues that were at the cutting edge of process technology. Having worked for a non-pharma technology company before joining Merck, I will admit that none of the pharmas was cutting edge relative to their non-pharma peers. That gap has only gotten wider in 27 years. I worked for Merck for 6 years and left to move on to a privately held company with connection to the pharma industry. For the 6 years I was out of pharma, I was delivering product to them and saw almost all of the pharmas and biotechs that existing in the 90s. None of them was a Merck but the Biotechs had more energy than the classical pharmas. I worked for a top-5 pharma at the end of the 90s and joined S-P as part of the consent decree work. S-P in 2000/2001 was pretty backwards, admittedly. I stayed with S-P until about a year after the merger. After the merger was announced I was excited to think that there might be a return to the days of Merck. But nothing in my 40 years of professional experience prepared me for the pathetic company that Merck had become. They had actively eliminated the best they had and the least capable, most political weasels had assumed control of the company. Because of this dramatic change for the worse, I firmly believe that this company cannot succeed. Never would I have thought such a thing when I was working with them in the late 80's. But the New Merck had nothing to offer. It is certainly not "better" than S-P. And in most ways, because it has destroyed what is needed to survive rather than having failed to build it, I am convinced that it is in many ways much weaker and much worse. This is merely an unbiased opinion from someone that has no axe to grind nor is wishing failure on anyone. God help anyone trying to make a career at this pathetic place. You will need that help plus a good deal of luck.
 




consent decree during that time had some pretty wild people. It was a train wreck. That was the place to be for a single man. A lot of good stories came out of SP during that time. I guess it did not matter if you were married. It was cheaters central. Make the reps look like people of high moral character. Imagine that.
 




We are running right into another economic slowdown. Companies are not even hitting their lowered numbers right now. China is in trouble, Europe is getting crushed, and we are slowly ticking down. I hope I am wrong but we could be screwed. Normally in the final year of an election, the economy looks good. The incumbents throw money all over the place to make sure people vote for them to get reelected. That is what is really scary right now. They always make sure road work is done during this time of year to artificially lower the unemployment. This way everyone is happy because the rate goes down. That is not happening now. Most economists are predicting a slowdown in hiring.

Most did not predict a slowdown. Looking at GDP and the unemployment rate ticking up, that was a good call. Where do you put your money?
 








Most did not predict a slowdown. Looking at GDP and the unemployment rate ticking up, that was a good call. Where do you put your money?

Consumer staples. Look around your house at things you use daily that you would continue to buy even if you were living on your savings. Toilet paper, razors, soap - it's not sexy and you won't become an overnight millionaire but there is steady demand and most of those companies have a dividend. Always participate in dividend reinvestment if you are long in the stock - compounds your return.
 








Rough time ahead for stockmarket.....thanks Obama.

Oh, how quick you forget! Obama SAVED the stock market! GM was snapped from the brink of bankruptcy to become a very profitable PUBLIC company! And how about all those 'too big to fail' banks he bailed out so the market didn't collapse!

Okay, sarcasm over. GM is now buying out their pensioners to lower their obligations and remain profitable for shareholders. Probably not that great if you work there but sound familiar?