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Ilumya TMs do you know what unethical behavior means?

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Sunburned

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A bit of advice to senior leadership is keep close watch on a few of your TMs before Sun gets dragged through compliance hell & more bad press. Did I miss part during Hub training call where we can fill out patient enrollment forms for office with patient info, maybe even sign them, and fax in and go back to office to do anything Ilumya Support needs? Promising offices to lessen load by doing all the work to get scripts and secretly meeting with certain specialty pharm reps trying to “work” together is jeopardizing a lot of people’s jobs who need paycheck however bad launch is going.
 




You should be equally as nervous about TM's being instructed by their RM to promote off label and unapproved data, as well as the rep solicitation of MIRF's. This behavior is rampant right now
 




Sunburned said:
A bit of advice to senior leadership is keep close watch on a few of your TMs before Sun gets dragged through compliance hell & more bad press. Did I miss part during Hub training call where we can fill out patient enrollment forms for office with patient info, maybe even sign them, and fax in and go back to office to do anything Ilumya Support needs? Promising offices to lessen load by doing all the work to get scripts and secretly meeting with certain specialty pharm reps trying to “work” together is jeopardizing a lot of people’s jobs who need paycheck however bad launch is going.
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We all know what unethical behavior is. There are many in leadership and at the RM level who are pressuring TM's to get BI's any way they can, which includes encouraging unethical behavior. This problem is from the top Ilumya leadership on down. They know it because they created it.
 




anonymous said:
We all know what unethical behavior is. There are many in leadership and at the RM level who are pressuring TM's to get BI's any way they can, which includes encouraging unethical behavior. This problem is from the top Ilumya leadership on down. They know it because they created it.
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There’s a fundamental issue with this company. All the sh!t we’re being directed to do is not unethical and people flat out don’t understand that.

It’s ILLEGAL.

For one you confess, for the other you go to jail and lose your family and home. Yeah, even at our rep level now, not just the big-wigs.
 




The bottom line is that if you are told to get x amount or you won’t have a job, you will risk everything to get that. Most of us need this paycheck or we wouldn’t be here right now. The choice is either do the illegal things being asked and lie to customers and have a job OR perform ethically and be out of here via harassment by March. Don’t blame a TM that is trying to make a living. Anyone with common sense and ethics is looking madly to get out. The TM is by far the nastiest job at SUN. Just wait for the awards in May. I will guarantee you those from Ilumya called out are all knee deep in illegal activity. It’s just the facts.
 




anonymous said:
The bottom line is that if you are told to get x amount or you won’t have a job, you will risk everything to get that. Most of us need this paycheck or we wouldn’t be here right now. The choice is either do the illegal things being asked and lie to customers and have a job OR perform ethically and be out of here via harassment by March. Don’t blame a TM that is trying to make a living. Anyone with common sense and ethics is looking madly to get out. The TM is by far the nastiest job at SUN. Just wait for the awards in May. I will guarantee you those from Ilumya called out are all knee deep in illegal activity. It’s just the facts.
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...or from Dallas where the crooked specialty pharmacists do the dirty work for you (and double bill).
 




Don’t y’all have a compliance program?

But you’re not a smart bunch anyway. Seems like your leadership believes a DOJ settlement and corporate integrity agreement are badges of honor. Reps and managers can and do go to jail.
 




anonymous said:
Don’t y’all have a compliance program?

But you’re not a smart bunch anyway. Seems like your leadership believes a DOJ settlement and corporate integrity agreement are badges of honor. Reps and managers can and do go to jail.
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Yeah but they’re somewhere between arrogant an incompetent. Maybe both.
 
















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And there’s the answer. Compliance in India is arrogance and compliance in the US is ignorance.
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Trust that the USA compliance team is far from ignorant. They do quite a bit to moderate the written and spoken sales messaging and the venues it is delivered. What is ignorant is a manager looking to violate the compliance edicts. Further, a rep who listens and crosses the line. Keep pushing the compliance button and you will get what you deserve--compliance people going out in the field, actively participating in POA meetings, and writing up violators. Look in the mirror if you want to see what an idiot looks like.
 




anonymous said:
Trust that the USA compliance team is far from ignorant. They do quite a bit to moderate the written and spoken sales messaging and the venues it is delivered. What is ignorant is a manager looking to violate the compliance edicts. Further, a rep who listens and crosses the line. Keep pushing the compliance button and you will get what you deserve--compliance people going out in the field, actively participating in POA meetings, and writing up violators. Look in the mirror if you want to see what an idiot looks like.
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Compliance in the USA is a joke here. At times you’ll see them sending an obligatory note or making an obligatory comment, but the deep, underlying issues are known and ignored.
That’s where the real risk resides.
 




anonymous said:
Compliance in the USA is a joke here. At times you’ll see them sending an obligatory note or making an obligatory comment, but the deep, underlying issues are known and ignored.
That’s where the real risk resides.
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Compliance USA is doing the dog and pony show. They aren't gonna police anything until some competitive company picks up the phone and calls the FDA or OIG...which they will. Give it a little time.
 




Sun Pharmaceutical Industries, Inc. is committed to conducting business honestly, ethically, and in compliance with laws and regulations. We strive to make the right, principled decisions when interacting with healthcare professionals and healthcare institutions. Our goal is to conduct business and promote our products in an informed, compliant manner.
 




anonymous said:
Sun Pharmaceutical Industries, Inc. is committed to conducting business honestly, ethically, and in compliance with laws and regulations. We strive to make the right, principled decisions when interacting with healthcare professionals and healthcare institutions. Our goal is to conduct business and promote our products in an informed, compliant manner.
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Are you delusional? You would have to be an idiot to report compliance issues to Sun while still working as an employee here. You may as well walk out back and stab yourself with a knife. That is the kiss of death.
 




anonymous said:
Sun Pharmaceutical Industries, Inc. is committed to conducting business honestly, ethically, and in compliance with laws and regulations. We strive to make the right, principled decisions when interacting with healthcare professionals and healthcare institutions. Our goal is to conduct business and promote our products in an informed, compliant manner.
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Another sign of checking the box while turning your head CD.
 




anonymous said:
Sun Pharmaceutical Industries, Inc. is committed to conducting business honestly, ethically, and in compliance with laws and regulations. We strive to make the right, principled decisions when interacting with healthcare professionals and healthcare institutions. Our goal is to conduct business and promote our products in an informed, compliant manner.
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Another great example of wearing the facade of checking the ‘oh we do everything we can as a compliance department’ yet you then turn your head and the shit continues on.

The problem is that the senior-senior people don’t subscribe to operating in a compliant or ethical way -and- US compliance doesn’t have anywhere to turn.
 




anonymous said:
Compliance in India is an oxymoron. Compliance for Sun North America is in Princeton. Abhay is ready to disband the group anyway.
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He can’t disband the group bc they have all the skeletons and could sink the ship.

Don’t think for one second that CD doesn’t have hard copy and electronic backup on everything. She could bury the place.
 








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