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Anonymous said:
the blood shed is nearing, saddle up osteo reps!
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Very, Very true. This one is really a fact and NOT a rumor. However, remember the turnover at WC is massive (more than 30% annually). This means that while many osteo territories will be dissolved, many of these reps will be placed in vacant territories in other sales forces. Things will not be nearly as bad as you might think. It is very likely that vacancies are not being filled in other sales forces in anticipation of backfilling with displaced osteo.
 






Anonymous said:
the blood shed is nearing, saddle up osteo reps!
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Very, Very true. This one is really a fact and NOT a rumor. However, remember the turnover at WC is massive (more than 30% annually). This means that while many osteo territories will be dissolved, many of these reps will be placed in vacant territories in other sales forces. Things will not be nearly as bad as you might think. It is very likely that vacancies are not being filled in other sales forces in anticipation of backfilling with displaced osteo.
 












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Dont know the answer, however there will be no overlap in sales (or very little); remember Activas is a generics.
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Actavis is not only generics, they have a brand division. They have a strong presence in Urology in addition to having a Women's Health team. Good luck to us keeping our jobs with the scrutiny we are under.
 






They have a very strong presence in Uro. They do not have a strong presence in Womens Health, just a presence. They have our never used OC GENERESS which has a
1% (if that) market share, and they have Crinone which generally costs patients 600 dollars cause they have horrible coverage. The women's health teams for both companies will simply be combined. They will get our new pill minastren, and LoLo team most likely stays in place. Uro, not sure how that will pan out. I agree, the home office will unfortunately take the brunt of this blow..
 






Anonymous said:
They have a very strong presence in Uro. They do not have a strong presence in Womens Health, just a presence. They have our never used OC GENERESS which has a
1% (if that) market share, and they have Crinone which generally costs patients 600 dollars cause they have horrible coverage. The women's health teams for both companies will simply be combined. They will get our new pill minastren, and LoLo team most likely stays in place. Uro, not sure how that will pan out. I agree, the home office will unfortunately take the brunt of this blow..
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I am afraid that market share won't play a role but ethics will. Let's face it we do some pretty crazy stuff with our huge budgets. As I understand they don't have the budget and tow the line on compliance. I ran into one of their reps and she was promoting in both wh and urology. If something happens it will be end of year. I am looking.
 






Well, case in point, she worked in Uro and WH. They don't have the reps we do, and they have huge territories. I think if your plate is clean, as far as ethics, you'll be fine. I've never brought food or had a med Ed and not gotten the required signatures. Compliance anyways phrma is brand new to WC. Probably happened to make ourselves more attractive to potential buyers.
 






Just so you guys know. Performance has ZERO to do with who stays and who goes in big pharma. The way it is being is done, in order to avoid lawsuits, is by using a crazy formula which involves tenure, zip code, ratings etc. That is why the best reps lose their jobs and have nothing to say. It never makes any sense. I wish you luck. It's been a fun ride for very few of you and this is way over due.
 






Anonymous said:
Actavis is not only generics, they have a brand division. They have a strong presence in Urology in addition to having a Women's Health team. Good luck to us keeping our jobs with the scrutiny we are under.
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You just named where the field overlap would be, and where the biggest threat of layoff would be either side. But remember these these talks happen all the time. I would say though that if not Atavis then someone else. Warner Chilcoott has been trying to sell it self for at least the past two years.
 






Anonymous said:
They have a very strong presence in Uro. They do not have a strong presence in Womens Health, just a presence. They have our never used OC GENERESS which has a
1% (if that) market share, and they have Crinone which generally costs patients 600 dollars cause they have horrible coverage. The women's health teams for both companies will simply be combined. They will get our new pill minastren, and LoLo team most likely stays in place. Uro, not sure how that will pan out. I agree, the home office will unfortunately take the brunt of this blow..
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Your hypothesis is faulty. If there is a merger, womens health would be a prime area to cut. lEts say each side has 200 reps are you saying that the new entity would have 400 reps? That makes no sense. Non of us could say who would be cut, but you can rest assured that in the end you would wind up with around 200 territories. Like WHC, you are correct due to duplication and overlap, the home office would be ravaged on one or both sides. Again though, I assure you that there will not be double the WHC reps.

Remember, it is Warner Chilcott that would be purchased. I would not be so confident that WC folks would have preference anywhere. Remember, to the victor goes the spoils, and that happens even in corporate america. Say your prayers and hope that this merger does not occur, just as the Bayer merger did not happen last year.
 






Anonymous said:
Well, case in point, she worked in Uro and WH. They don't have the reps we do, and they have huge territories. I think if your plate is clean, as far as ethics, you'll be fine. I've never brought food or had a med Ed and not gotten the required signatures. Compliance anyways phrma is brand new to WC. Probably happened to make ourselves more attractive to potential buyers.
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There will be cuts if this merger happens, period!!! You cant name a single merger that occurred, where there were no layoffs, including in the field. I dont know how many, or where, and neither do you. But can you please tells us of a situation of where someone purchased another company, then gave job preference mostly to the employees of acquired company? This whole "they will buy us, then fire THEIR reps is just crazy talk". WC reps are just so yoing, and inexperienced to know what they are talking about.
 






Anonymous said:
Just so you guys know. Performance has ZERO to do with who stays and who goes in big pharma. The way it is being is done, in order to avoid lawsuits, is by using a crazy formula which involves tenure, zip code, ratings etc. That is why the best reps lose their jobs and have nothing to say. It never makes any sense. I wish you luck. It's been a fun ride for very few of you and this is way over due.
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So wrong, so wrong. location, then performance are usually the main drivers. Remember, your rating is primarily based on your sales performance. Tenure is marker for age, thus would open a company to age discrimination. Warner Chilcott does not do things rationally like other drug companies. RSDs will simply sit in a room and decide who they want to keep, and who they want gone; its that simple. If you are a favorite, you will stay, if you won the trip, but your RSD feels you were just lucky, you will be gone period.

The good news though is that if this merger goes through, the company will no longer be "Warner Chilcott", but will be Actavis. Thus cuts will be more rational and objective.
 






But does anyone think the Regional Directors are safe? The higher the food chain the more risk of being cut. The DM's and reps are safer for job security than home office and RSD's. There are a lot of Directors from plenty of companies looking for jobs right now. The RSD's better hope they have not made too many enemies of the DM's they have been harrassing (or ignoring) over the past couple of years.... there could be a very strange turn of events for some of them by the end of all this...
 






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But does anyone think the Regional Directors are safe? The higher the food chain the more risk of being cut. The DM's and reps are safer for job security than home office and RSD's. There are a lot of Directors from plenty of companies looking for jobs right now. The RSD's better hope they have not made too many enemies of the DM's they have been harrassing (or ignoring) over the past couple of years.... there could be a very strange turn of events for some of them by the end of all this...
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What kind of questions is that? If people are laid off, it would be due to overlap (headcount reduction). If a merger occurs, they would not layoff a existing RSD, just to go in the market and hire a replacement; for that matter any RSD could be replaced right now.

Make no ones about it, some reps will lose their job if this deal goes through, and the risk is to both sides. The reason is that their will be massive overlap in WHC and URO, and as I said before usually "to the victor goes the spoils". In this case Actavis is the victor and WC would be the vanquished.

Of course the commercial support organizations would take a huge hit; you dont need two HR departments, Sales Ops Departments, finance departments, it departments, etc. Remember Actavis is is huge company, with a huge campus, and is 4x larger than WC. WC is a badly run company that simply can not shoot straight. It also occupies 3 floors in a tiny building. You can bet that commercial operations would not move to Rockaway.

Your last sentence is just silly, why would an RSD fear a DM. If an RSD wants someone fired, they dont need to harass So no; they simply fire the person. WC is not a very professional organization; there are no PIPS, or warning letters, no HR intervention. no buildup, no two year process. If someone wants you gone, they simply contact you on the termination date and say "You're fired". WC does not fear any lawsuits, or anything else. They might give you a severance package, and if yo have an attorney threaten them, they might even sweeten the deal. But at WC they terminate fast and furious, with impunity, and sk questions later.
 






Holy crap! You people need a dose of reality! It's not a "merger", it's a buyout. What can you expect? Expect that the majority of DMs and up will be let go. Why? Because you are notorious for conducting unethical, illegal, and immoral business practices. Because you're known to be shady. And because the company buying WC is an ethical company. And as for the reps, 3 out of 5 will be gone. And the 2 who remain, had better learn FAST that the WC fast & loose methods of buying business ain't gonna cut it. You're on the Titanic! Get off while you can.
 






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Holy crap! You people need a dose of reality! It's not a "merger", it's a buyout. What can you expect? Expect that the majority of DMs and up will be let go. Why? Because you are notorious for conducting unethical, illegal, and immoral business practices. Because you're known to be shady. And because the company buying WC is an ethical company. And as for the reps, 3 out of 5 will be gone. And the 2 who remain, had better learn FAST that the WC fast & loose methods of buying business ain't gonna cut it. You're on the Titanic! Get off while you can.
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Spot on It is amazing how these young folks think a company buys US then fires THEIR people. That's simply not how it works. You are spot on when you mention the reputation of WC sales as being less than ethical; one only needs to read the whistle blower claims. Indeed WC sales is rotten to the core, and you dont want this bad apple to ruin th rest of the barrell.

Most WC reps have less than two years pharma experience, and can always go back to selling copiers and car rentals.
 






Anonymous said:
Spot on It is amazing how these young folks think a company buys US then fires THEIR people. That's simply not how it works. You are spot on when you mention the reputation of WC sales as being less than ethical; one only needs to read the whistle blower claims. Indeed WC sales is rotten to the core, and you dont want this bad apple to ruin th rest of the barrell.

Most WC reps have less than two years pharma experience, and can always go back to selling copiers and car rentals.
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Or being a door greeter at Walmart!
 












Anonymous said:
Activis is a generic company, WC reps will be safe
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Wrong, do your homework. They have whc and uro. Please don't feed us this crap about them firing their whc and uro while keeping ours. That makes no sense at all. Osteo is likely gone too since atelvia is a dog and actonel is declining fast. Derm, will doryx 200 even have an acne indication, with generic 150 not much of a future anyway. Not matter what rubbish about your "safety" is concocted, companies Never acquire another then layoff their own people while keeping the vanquished. As far as home office, its a wrap Rockaway won't exist in a year and Rockaway won't exist. It is 100% duplicative.
 






I just got called in for an Interview for WC. So are you guys telling me this is not a good time? lol What is so shady about this company everyone seems to be speaking of? Thanks
 






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