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You have got to be new if you are working this much. Pharma sales is the easiest non productive job in the world. Go out and get your signatures. make sure the 1st is before 9am and the last is after 2pm. Make sure you speak up on the conf calls. Send a email or voice mail to your manager daily right when you wake up. It is all a game. Keep playing it until you can't anymore.
 






Anonymous said:
You have got to be new if you are working this much. Pharma sales is the easiest non productive job in the world. Go out and get your signatures. make sure the 1st is before 9am and the last is after 2pm. Make sure you speak up on the conf calls. Send a email or voice mail to your manager daily right when you wake up. It is all a game. Keep playing it until you can't anymore.
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My time is worth more to me than playing this game with loser teams. I would rather work hard and get paid what I deserve not the 52k at Forest. Waste of time and effort.
 












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manager here, agreed, all of it. overworked, unappreciated. I put in 70-80 hours a week (yes reps I know its all bs work you think we do, I was a rep just like you, dont forget that) but its never enough, the growth is not enough or the calls are not enough then you do well and no one says anything apart from you better keep this going next qtr, work harder and more to keep the results up. i cant work more or harder. i have no life, im exhausted when i get in at 7 and then work for another hour then get up at 5 and do it all again. oh, my RD says well you get paid to do that, thats not the only reason i work but thanks for your liomited understanding of my work life balance.

i talk to otrher dms and reps who think this is borderline sweat shop sales mentality. i have to somewhat agree and it feels like it is getting worse.
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all these stupid lists you jerko's make us send you a waste of time no one cares
 












NOBODY is happy. Lucky, yes. Thankful, yes. Could be a lot worse, yeah. Happy? Not one of the hundreds I know are truly happy, none. I'm sure there are some young pups who might not have had their spirits broken yet and are fleetingly happy. They think it won't happen to them, it will. Their time will come.
 






I have some counterparts who came in and rode a wave. They were awesome! Forest was awesome! Their DMs were awesome! They are leaders, the RD loved them.

The numbers are starting to slide. Their managers are cruel. Forest is just like other pharma. The RD just does not get that they can't access anymore doctors and reach can't improve. What? Another field ride with the RST? DM was just here last week.

Get it now kids?

Nice part is if you can live through it, you'll be up again...you have 12-18 months to turn it around. Or, there will be new leaders on the team who are GREAT!
 






We get many emails after hours and my manager said i have to have forest emails on my phone. i only get paid a small amout for my personal phone to take calls for forest and i dont agree that means i should be accepting emails all hours of the day and night. enough with the emails. 6 a day, 10 a day, 30 some days if you take RD, DM silliness, compliance, expense, fleet and their stupid waste of time job justifying training, ABD, weekly wonders nonsense, and so on. I have over 40 new emails some days and this is what i am meant to work on when i get in at night. you must think this is a communist state.
 






Anonymous said:
Shut the f**ck up and go eat your cry baby soup! It's called sales and nobody ever said it was easy. Leave if you're so unhappy! You're all f**cking lazy and shouldn't be in sales!
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Um, that's where you are confused. This is Not a sales job. When your day consists of comments such as " Come on Dr" "please Dr." "please try this on the next ten patients Dr"
Sales job....HAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Hey pharma "salesman" Ask yourself one question: DO YOU GET A COMMITMENT FROM THE PERSON ACTUALLY MAKING THE DECISION TO BUY TO THE POINT WHERE THEY ISSUE YOU A CHECK, CASH, PURCHASE ORDER? I didn't think so.

The fact that YOU try to justify a pharma job as sales makes YOU the lazy one!
 






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Um, that's where you are confused. This is Not a sales job. When your day consists of comments such as " Come on Dr" "please Dr." "please try this on the next ten patients Dr"
Sales job....HAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Hey pharma "salesman" Ask yourself one question: DO YOU GET A COMMITMENT FROM THE PERSON ACTUALLY MAKING THE DECISION TO BUY TO THE POINT WHERE THEY ISSUE YOU A CHECK, CASH, PURCHASE ORDER? I didn't think so.

The fact that YOU try to justify a pharma job as sales makes YOU the lazy one!
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Easy there fool, it is what is is. Just because one may get a check or order doesn't make them ornyou any kind of superior being. We play the hand we are dealt. Sorry for your inferiority complex that I and many others are raking in over 130k with a car and full benefits without a piece of paper proving we are in a sales job. Who gives a s h I t ? We are not confused. Does it suck most of the time? Yep, but that's not the issue being discussed here. Sorry your lame a s s didn't get a job like this ten or more years ago. Those of us who did are justifying all the way to the bank. Loser.
 






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NOBODY is happy. Lucky, yes. Thankful, yes. Could be a lot worse, yeah. Happy? Not one of the hundreds I know are truly happy, none. I'm sure there are some young pups who might not have had their spirits broken yet and are fleetingly happy. They think it won't happen to them, it will. Their time will come.
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Hah!! So true.
 






Anonymous said:
Um, that's where you are confused. This is Not a sales job. When your day consists of comments such as " Come on Dr" "please Dr." "please try this on the next ten patients Dr"
Sales job....HAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Hey pharma "salesman" Ask yourself one question: DO YOU GET A COMMITMENT FROM THE PERSON ACTUALLY MAKING THE DECISION TO BUY TO THE POINT WHERE THEY ISSUE YOU A CHECK, CASH, PURCHASE ORDER? I didn't think so.

The fact that YOU try to justify a pharma job as sales makes YOU the lazy one!
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Hey Big-shot,

You're either confused or an idiot, or both deaf and dumb. You should really stick to selling your knives for Cutco because you have no clue what big boy selling looks like. This is a sales job.

To reply to your question to me. YES, I do get a commitment from not just the person, but the multiple people and stakeholders involved in making the decision to buy. No, they don't hand me cash or a check directly like they do for those nice shiny knives you're selling door to door. Where did you get your education? There's many kinds of sales jobs where cash, check, or PO isn't always handled by the salesman at the POS.

Before I did this I sold software, is that a sales job? Before that I sold copiers, is that a sales job? Before that I sold telecommunications, is that a sales job? Before that, I sold utilities in Industrial Sales, is that a sales job? I didn't deal with cash or money at the POS and the PO was usually placed directly by the client to the company in which I worked for.

Just like what I do today except this is even more complex. I need to sell multiple stakeholders on ordering my product. This includes many different physician specialties, nurses, staff, Laboratory personnel, c-suite medical executives, clinical pharmacists, pharmacy directors. Only IF and when I've sold each of those multiple stakeholders on my product which is very complex and a long sales cycle I finally get the pharmacy buyer to place an order for vials of my product and the Hospital buyer pays my company MONEY at the POS.

You wouldn't last 5 mins in my selling arena. Do your homework before you get on here and start throwing Cutco knives. Oh, and one more thing...CRY-BABY SOUP FOR YOU!
 












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NOBODY is happy. Lucky, yes. Thankful, yes. Could be a lot worse, yeah. Happy? Not one of the hundreds I know are truly happy, none. I'm sure there are some young pups who might not have had their spirits broken yet and are fleetingly happy. They think it won't happen to them, it will. Their time will come.
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Very well said! The managers here are the most under trained and are full of themselves. They abuse reps. Write letters to HR and let them know.
 












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