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Its time we as employees and we as shareholders hold the clowns who hold idiotic meetings accountable. Anyone who has a half of brain knows that flying people from all across the country to LA for a retarded 13 hour meeting is ABSOLUTELY worthless and a TOTAL waste of company money. This is no different then holding 2 national meetings for nearly a week long. Why? Enbrel is 18 years old. Oh but wait it takes 4 days to understand one new message? Give me a break. Shareholders take note, Amgen leadership could care less about our fiscal house. They would rather check a box and send people across the country for some waste of time meeting than be fiscally responsible. They spend money like it grows on trees. If this as their own personal money trust me they wouldnt be spending it like this. These meetings are a joke. They threaten us with "teaming" bullshit so that we have to "fake" that we are getting something out of it. Its all one big lie. Nobody, not even those that suck up because they cant find or do any other job think these meetings are worthwhile. This check the box mentality is going to sink us. We use to be a company that went out and sold. Now we are a company that checks the boxes to say (or act like) we have done something. Its no wonder we are getting are asses kicked. When leadership or lack thereof allows or suggests meetings like this you know we are in trouble. Welcome to big pharma at its worst. Don't you douche bags read the paper? Take guidance from the Pfizers, Mercks, Astrazeneca's of the world and smarten up. But then again, when all you know is check the box to act like you are being productive then its hard to change and actually do work. You sleep in the bed you make.
 






Anonymous said:
Its time we as employees and we as shareholders hold the clowns who hold idiotic meetings accountable. Anyone who has a half of brain knows that flying people from all across the country to LA for a retarded 13 hour meeting is ABSOLUTELY worthless and a TOTAL waste of company money. This is no different then holding 2 national meetings for nearly a week long. Why? Enbrel is 18 years old. Oh but wait it takes 4 days to understand one new message? Give me a break. Shareholders take note, Amgen leadership could care less about our fiscal house. They would rather check a box and send people across the country for some waste of time meeting than be fiscally responsible. They spend money like it grows on trees. If this as their own personal money trust me they wouldnt be spending it like this. These meetings are a joke. They threaten us with "teaming" bullshit so that we have to "fake" that we are getting something out of it. Its all one big lie. Nobody, not even those that suck up because they cant find or do any other job think these meetings are worthwhile. This check the box mentality is going to sink us. We use to be a company that went out and sold. Now we are a company that checks the boxes to say (or act like) we have done something. Its no wonder we are getting are asses kicked. When leadership or lack thereof allows or suggests meetings like this you know we are in trouble. Welcome to big pharma at its worst. Don't you douche bags read the paper? Take guidance from the Pfizers, Mercks, Astrazeneca's of the world and smarten up. But then again, when all you know is check the box to act like you are being productive then its hard to change and actually do work. You sleep in the bed you make.
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Agreed! Take them outside and kick their ass to the curb. They never will get it. Nicely stated.
 












Anonymous said:
Its time we as employees and we as shareholders hold the clowns who hold idiotic meetings accountable. Anyone who has a half of brain knows that flying people from all across the country to LA for a retarded 13 hour meeting is ABSOLUTELY worthless and a TOTAL waste of company money. This is no different then holding 2 national meetings for nearly a week long. Why? Enbrel is 18 years old. Oh but wait it takes 4 days to understand one new message? Give me a break. Shareholders take note, Amgen leadership could care less about our fiscal house. They would rather check a box and send people across the country for some waste of time meeting than be fiscally responsible. They spend money like it grows on trees. If this as their own personal money trust me they wouldnt be spending it like this. These meetings are a joke. They threaten us with "teaming" bullshit so that we have to "fake" that we are getting something out of it. Its all one big lie. Nobody, not even those that suck up because they cant find or do any other job think these meetings are worthwhile. This check the box mentality is going to sink us. We use to be a company that went out and sold. Now we are a company that checks the boxes to say (or act like) we have done something. Its no wonder we are getting are asses kicked. When leadership or lack thereof allows or suggests meetings like this you know we are in trouble. Welcome to big pharma at its worst. Don't you douche bags read the paper? Take guidance from the Pfizers, Mercks, Astrazeneca's of the world and smarten up. But then again, when all you know is check the box to act like you are being productive then its hard to change and actually do work. You sleep in the bed you make.
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I tried to tell you guys that hiring Tony Hooper would prove to be a bad idea. You got a smooth talking, metric obsessed big pharma type. You ain't seen nothing yet.
 






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I tried to tell you guys that hiring Tony Hooper would prove to be a bad idea. You got a smooth talking, metric obsessed big pharma type. You ain't seen nothing yet.
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This company is led by nothing by dumb asses. I agree, its from the top down and there is nothing to stop it because they all are a bunch of yes sir morons. I call them box checkers. Fire them all as they are robbing the company financially, motivationally and through quality.
 






One big example is the Ireland site, why do you want to invest in another site when you have so much capacity at AML, where you have one new filling site that you are building and one old site with two vial lines and two syringe lines?????, please someone explain to me specially when demands is going down,
 






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One big example is the Ireland site, why do you want to invest in another site when you have so much capacity at AML, where you have one new filling site that you are building and one old site with two vial lines and two syringe lines?????, please someone explain to me specially when demands is going down,
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please post on the board designated manufacturing not sales, thanks
 






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One big example is the Ireland site, why do you want to invest in another site when you have so much capacity at AML, where you have one new filling site that you are building and one old site with two vial lines and two syringe lines?????, please someone explain to me specially when demands is going down,
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Because McDumb ass, we only have 1 fill finish facility! How do you think our insurance company thinks about this? How do you think investors think, knowing our only facility happens to be where 90% of hurricanes hit? That would be like putting all your eggs Ina basket in the middle of Kansas during July, really f-Ing stupid!

So please enlighten me with your infinite wisdom!
 












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Because McDumb ass, we only have 1 fill finish facility! How do you think our insurance company thinks about this? How do you think investors think, knowing our only facility happens to be where 90% of hurricanes hit? That would be like putting all your eggs Ina basket in the middle of Kansas during July, really f-Ing stupid!

So please enlighten me with your infinite wisdom!
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Building 20 is fill finish and I don't think TO has had a hurricane in a while.
 












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Last time I checked earthquakes still happen in California. You're right, no hurricanes, just devastating earthquakes periodically.
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Fill/ Finish is an outsource-able process. We've done it before, we can do it again. Fill facility in TO is clinical only, btw. Not that it can't be commercial. It's just a clinical fill facility at the moment.

If you research Ireland, you'll see that there are pros and cons. Many feel that this WAS the way to save money- invest in Ireland for tax break purposes much like Puerto Rico. Many feel this is outdated thinking. Ireland is old news, old investment strategy. And I do wonder about mold issues in such a damp environment...
 












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Post where you want, peoples. This person struggles with control and evolution. Communicate where your reading audience is. This is read by lots of different folks. Go for it.
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Yes, post away here, everyone. How Amgen the corporation goes, is how the sales force will go. It is all connected and all relevant. No one reads the "plant" board.. this is where it is.
 






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Yes, post away here, everyone. How Amgen the corporation goes, is how the sales force will go. It is all connected and all relevant. No one reads the "plant" board.. this is where it is.
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no one reads the plan board because you guys are a bunch of idiots, complaining about your managers non-stop, sales people hate hourly employees that complain, you remind us of the overweight office staff.

Go back to playing warcraft and leave this board alone, or I will use my Level 5 wizard to cast a spell of banishment on you
 






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Fill/ Finish is an outsource-able process. We've done it before, we can do it again. Fill facility in TO is clinical only, btw. Not that it can't be commercial. It's just a clinical fill facility at the moment.

If you research Ireland, you'll see that there are pros and cons. Many feel that this WAS the way to save money- invest in Ireland for tax break purposes much like Puerto Rico. Many feel this is outdated thinking. Ireland is old news, old investment strategy. And I do wonder about mold issues in such a damp environment...
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Mold, you want to talk about mold, how about AML and all the mold problems down there? They have more mold in AML then a bread factory could ever hope to produce.
 






I realize that Amgen is a publicly traded company and can spend money on meetings,dinners,flights,etc. any way they want. But, after the trouble the government has gotten into this past week over spending over 800k on a 4 day meeting with taxpayers dollars, wouldn't a company want to maybe spend( or save money) a bit more wisely? Shareholders should demand accountability as to how a company is spending it's money. Every meeting I've every been to has been a waste. Some have been fun but none have taught me a thing I couldn't have learned over Skype or in a district meeting. Maybe shareholders don't care where their money is spent?
 






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I realize that Amgen is a publicly traded company and can spend money on meetings,dinners,flights,etc. any way they want. But, after the trouble the government has gotten into this past week over spending over 800k on a 4 day meeting with taxpayers dollars, wouldn't a company want to maybe spend( or save money) a bit more wisely? Shareholders should demand accountability as to how a company is spending it's money. Every meeting I've every been to has been a waste. Some have been fun but none have taught me a thing I couldn't have learned over Skype or in a district meeting. Maybe shareholders don't care where their money is spent?
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I am a shareholder, and probably (not sure) hold more stock than you. 12 years with company, ESPP, Grants, Options, 401K etc and I feel that as a salesperson I get a lot out of the meetings. Sure you can learn the material over the internet/skype etc, but in my opinion that is like taking a college course over the internet. You don't get to experience the wisdom of the crowd, share your personal experiences, and bond with your team (if you don't meet in person).
Having unnecessary meetings or spending the money frivolously (like the gov't did in Las Vegas) won't happen. We have too many lawyers and compliance officers to let that happen.
I realize that it is hard to get away from your territory and family/friends but if you have to do it, try to make the most out of it. Offers suggestions on how to make the training more effective, even suggest that you or your district become a test pilot for webbased training. You never know it might happen. Amgen (like everyone else) is always trying to save some money.
 






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no one reads the plan board because you guys are a bunch of idiots, complaining about your managers non-stop, sales people hate hourly employees that complain, you remind us of the overweight office staff.

Go back to playing warcraft and leave this board alone, or I will use my Level 5 wizard to cast a spell of banishment on you
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LOL
 






Anonymous said:
I am a shareholder, and probably (not sure) hold more stock than you. 12 years with company, ESPP, Grants, Options, 401K etc and I feel that as a salesperson I get a lot out of the meetings. Sure you can learn the material over the internet/skype etc, but in my opinion that is like taking a college course over the internet. You don't get to experience the wisdom of the crowd, share your personal experiences, and bond with your team (if you don't meet in person).
Having unnecessary meetings or spending the money frivolously (like the gov't did in Las Vegas) won't happen. We have too many lawyers and compliance officers to let that happen.
I realize that it is hard to get away from your territory and family/friends but if you have to do it, try to make the most out of it. Offers suggestions on how to make the training more effective, even suggest that you or your district become a test pilot for webbased training. You never know it might happen. Amgen (like everyone else) is always trying to save some money.
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I have one suggestion for you. Get a life. If you have to go to a meeting to get something out of it you are truly a moron and probably in the right field. I hear Walmart is looking for greeters. Sounds like you are about the right age.

As for your Las Vegas meeting bs, a friend of mine was at training and said there will NOT be anymore meetings in Las Vegas. Sorry, your bingo will have to be played elsewhere.

So, final thoughts, go kiss some more ass ass clown.
 






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