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Old news and don't be happy because they are going down. Atherotech is next. We will be fined for sure just not as much. Either way this company will be bankrupt by end of summer. Nobody is buying what we are selling. Hospitals are buying every doctors office and we can't compete with the big boys. No contracting and very little support
 






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Old news and don't be happy because they are going down. Atherotech is next. We will be fined for sure just not as much. Either way this company will be bankrupt by end of summer. Nobody is buying what we are selling. Hospitals are buying every doctors office and we can't compete with the big boys. No contracting and very little support
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What makes you think Atherotech was not operating within the confines of the law? Do tell.
 












Not to mention the P&H we continued to pay hospitals after the OIG fraud alert came out. We are run by fools who have convinced themselves that what we are doing is ok because it's not as bad as HDL.
 












Atherotech employees were told about this last year, last June I believe. They were also told by management that this was going on and the volume was going to drop until the matter resolved. It was never presented as a kickback, more like a collection fee was given to the clinician for drawing the blood. I guess that's one of the same. I never have figured out how men and women receive the same tests but they do? Figured all the tests were bundled and it was cheaper to order a panel and ok with the insurance companies.
 






Get out now before billing rates are streamlined across the entire payor spectrum, and the reimbursement will be so low only the biggest labs and hospitals will be able to remain viable. DOJ investigations always lead to standardization, which is levied after the criminal portion of the inquiry is sufficiently dealt with.
 






Anonymous said:
What makes you think Atherotech was not operating within the confines of the law? Do tell.
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Well I have numerous email and several VM on panel building. Also, email on if the panel was too small or vap only no p & h fee. That's not standard across the board to payers. The biggest problem we have is that we do not treat all the payers the same and that is non compliant. And I will close by stating managers have placed additional tests to panels.

do tell!

I have more but that's a start.
 






I have those emails as well. It's all about adding tests to the panel!!! If panel is too small they ask why it's not enough we can't make money. Oh well then open 5000 psc's across the country and get in network then you will make $$$

New billing policy will destroy your base accounts and you will lose business very quickly. Cardiovascular labs without contracting is going to be a meltdown and then the layoffs begin.
 






I left a solid company based on conversations from the idiot manager and clueless rvp during the interview process. I came on what I thought was a growing and opportunity to make good bonus. Now I'm stuck with a idiot manager and even worse rvp. Ive been on calls with these morons and they were pounding me on small panels and also on some of my vap only accounts. They want me to go back and increase their panels. I have already had several conversations with the clinic and they want their custom panel they built. We are only a notch above hdl activities and mix in the TF RDs its truly a embarrassing place to represent. I have so much documentation that needs to be sent to our insurance companies and government. We can point the government to spefice managers and all they really have to do is hit the home office and collect data. This company needs to revamp quickly and get rid of the CEO, RVPs, JS and HR. I have never seen such lame people in the wrong positions. They cannot help us in the field and only manage by numbers and reports. Absolutely clueless on the daily needs of our customers and how these office operate. My accounts don't want to see me anymore and scared to target new accounts for fear of screwing up their business. Yes, we will ultimately be hit by the government because of our practice to deceive the payors and government.
 






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I left a solid company based on conversations from the idiot manager and clueless rvp during the interview process. I came on what I thought was a growing and opportunity to make good bonus. Now I'm stuck with a idiot manager and even worse rvp. Ive been on calls with these morons and they were pounding me on small panels and also on some of my vap only accounts. They want me to go back and increase their panels. I have already had several conversations with the clinic and they want their custom panel they built. We are only a notch above hdl activities and mix in the TF RDs its truly a embarrassing place to represent. I have so much documentation that needs to be sent to our insurance companies and government. We can point the government to spefice managers and all they really have to do is hit the home office and collect data. This company needs to revamp quickly and get rid of the CEO, RVPs, JS and HR. I have never seen such lame people in the wrong positions. They cannot help us in the field and only manage by numbers and reports. Absolutely clueless on the daily needs of our customers and how these office operate. My accounts don't want to see me anymore and scared to target new accounts for fear of screwing up their business. Yes, we will ultimately be hit by the government because of our practice to deceive the payors and government.
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Once again TF managers are involved, what in the hell is upper management thinking by keeping these losers on board. The company deserves to get in trouble, countless times these guys are doing unethical things. Wake the fuck up!!!!!
 






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Well I have numerous email and several VM on panel building. Also, email on if the panel was too small or vap only no p & h fee. That's not standard across the board to payers. The biggest problem we have is that we do not treat all the payers the same and that is non compliant. And I will close by stating managers have placed additional tests to panels.

do tell!

I have more but that's a start.
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Ok. Thank you. We all agree that your TF RD is a jerk-off. I didn't like JF, either. He is gone, now, right? And HR did not help you. You deserve to be angry but you are still here. This is good.
Here's the thing: Of the two RD's and two RVP's I have had while here, none of them have ever told me to build inappropriate panels. Never. Further, I do not know a single rep who has engaged in this unethical practice. As much as CP is a d*ck, neither he nor KF, or anyone in training has ever instructed us to build inappropriate panels. In fact, there have been at least two training sessions with KF and CP where they both actively lectured us on proper panel structure that is legal, compliant, disease-state relevant, and medically necessary. Our compliance team lectures us on this stuff every year and we sign an acknowledgement saying we understand and will comply lest risk penalties for BOTH ourselves and Atherotech. I know what is in my doctor's panels. I do understand that I, personally, face criminal charges if I am not compliant.

I am glad you got through this nightmare RD situation. Please do not take down the whole company by saying "Atherotech is unethical" because of this bad RD. It takes time and evidence to remove people from any company. Ultimately, your RVP has to take action and this stuff has to be handled gently.
When I move on to my next career, I can't sell Atherotech as an unethical company. It looks bad to prospective employers if I worked for a company that is considered unethical. Why would I choose to work for an unethical company? Is a little money worth risking my reputation and possibly even fines and jail time? No.
You won your argument so let's move on.
 






i too have hade strong suggestions to add more to the panels from my rd during office visits. the requisitions is usually scrutinized on the panels. my rd is not from tf and I still get nudges on adding more to panels. ive read these posts and nobody is looking to debate or argue a point. I find the posts to be mainly true based on my experience. there is no doubt atherotech is practicing sales tactics that are very much against standard compliance. its not easy to leave a company until you have another job. it takes time to interview and nail down that job. many reps want to leave and are looking. there is already many that have moved on.
 






If anyone thinks that we do not practice in unethical ways then your are blind and don't know what occurs in the field visits with the RD's. Its a pattern to have your RD sit down and go over accounts panels and push vs sell clinically to increase panels regardless of medically necessary needs. Sure compliance and training they are going to say the right message and have us sign the standard documents. However once in the field the desperation surfaces and RDs are running scared for business as they push the reps to the point the accounts get pissed about reapproaching over and over as pushy reps. This is why we loose credibility.
 






If I had a dollar for every time my RSD has pushed me to add iron testing to a panel because it's expensive to run I would retire right now. The idiot sends out spreadsheet after spreadsheet showing the most expensive tests we are supposed to add
 






agree! completely unethical company and we all know this, so just admit its what we are asked to do. another Friday and heading to tee off. at least I wont be ashamed and quilted with a few hours on the links of therapy.
 
























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