Has Anyone Heard of AFFINIS?

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Anonymous said:
Just last week you and yours were advising how to buy off nurses, physicians, Chiropractic physicians and so on. Your Con is one of the worse; Providing illegal advise while violating local, state and Federal laws. This will consequently get you and your Con's in crime in lots of trouble. Your so smart that your ignorance and stupidy has no competition. Soon your illegal and fradulent activities will put you and the Hollywood crowd in lots of trouble. Count on it!
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Hey, I want to weigh in on this to. When Angela recommended bringing nominal snacks to her offices, like Popsicles, strawberries and such; this does not violate any laws, at least in Big Pharma it doesn't. Snacks under $10 for an entire office have always been acceptable. What industry did you come from? I only ask because you seem misinformed about what Angela was trying to do. In my opinion, she was trying hard to bring some sanity to an insane proposition. You made a choice to get involve just like she did. It sounds like she had a little more success than you did and you are antagonistic toward her for that. Direct your anger where it truly belongs.
 




Anonymous said:
Hey, I want to weigh in on this to. When Angela recommended bringing nominal snacks to her offices, like Popsicles, strawberries and such; this does not violate any laws, at least in Big Pharma it doesn't. Snacks under $10 for an entire office have always been acceptable. What industry did you come from? I only ask because you seem misinformed about what Angela was trying to do. In my opinion, she was trying hard to bring some sanity to an insane proposition. You made a choice to get involve just like she did. It sounds like she had a little more success than you did and you are antagonistic toward her for that. Direct your anger where it truly belongs.
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Hold up people, I think you are both a little wrong. The poster was referring to buying off nurses, chiropractors by offering them payment for scripts not bringing in snacks. Don't confuse pharma guidelines with those for pharmacies. The pharmaceutical industry put in their own rules but compounding pharamcies are not governed by the same organizations. That being said I would never ever suggest someone pay a nurse or chiropractor for scripts. I can't say I ever heard Angela suggest paying off anyone in an office, maybe she did but I do not remember her saying so. I do remember Craig & Dan & Keith suggesting that which just shows you the type of leadership that they are providing.

Of course this whole issue is moot with Affinis no longer having any relationship with Inverness Apothecary. I think its important that you keep in mind which party left the other. Read the letter that Craig sent out and its clear that Craig was not expecting this so clearly he is admitting that Inverness Apothecary ended the realtionship. If you were trying to be fair about all of this what does that tell you?
 












Anonymous said:
Shows how professional C&D are in that the registration on their website expired on Oct 3rd 2012 which is one year after it was started. What information did they ever provide physicians or reps on their website? Nothing!!!
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It was a "Total Con" right from the start. What do you expect from the "Hollywood Crown" wth less than a year experience in the field "Combined"? their experiences? Glad you asked. Real Estate, Decoration, Producer and a cheat to boot! How about that "cease and desist" letter from Bills Attorneys? way to go Dan, Craig, Keith, Eve, Angela and crowd! A group of total losers!
 








As a CEO of one of the largest compounding pharmacies in the Southeast, it is my job to not only evaluate my company but the industry as a whole. As a company that's not only a member of IACP, we also employ our own in-house attorney. Coumponding pharmacies that employ 1099 representatives who carry multiple lines might as well draw a huge bulleseye on their backs. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE consult with a "Healthcare" attorney before signing any employment agreement. I've never heard of this pharmacy before (and they may be very reputable) but anyone offering "distributorships" will be under intense scrutiny.

Our company offers base pay, car allowance, 401k and health insurance. If you're not being offered this then you need to ask yourself if you're being recruited as an employee or the bottom block of a pyramid.
 




Anonymous said:
Affinis (a compounding pharmacy) is heavily recruiting independent contractors for their sales team. Problem is, I can't find anything of substance on the web about them. Their sales agreement and business model looks a little funky and I'm hesitant to sign it without knowing more. Can anyone help?
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They are gone, you have to go to www.InvernessApothecary.com, or call them at 855-771-0505. Affinis was very poorly developed. They had call teleconferences every Tues and Thurs that wasted time. They attacked big pharma and then started to copy them. They never paid reps, so you are lucky you never signed. You can also contact Bob at My Pharma Jobs at bob@mypharmajobs.com for the current contract working with Inverness. They pay 20% on every script written. Hope this answers your questions.
 




Anonymous said:
As a CEO of one of the largest compounding pharmacies in the Southeast, it is my job to not only evaluate my company but the industry as a whole. As a company that's not only a member of IACP, we also employ our own in-house attorney. Coumponding pharmacies that employ 1099 representatives who carry multiple lines might as well draw a huge bulleseye on their backs. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE consult with a "Healthcare" attorney before signing any employment agreement. I've never heard of this pharmacy before (and they may be very reputable) but anyone offering "distributorships" will be under intense scrutiny.

Our company offers base pay, car allowance, 401k and health insurance. If you're not being offered this then you need to ask yourself if you're being recruited as an employee or the bottom block of a pyramid.
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You claim to be a CEO of a compounding pharmacy but you seem naive to the fact that so many companies are going to 1099 sales reps and there is nothing to make a company with 1099 reps more of a target than having W2 reps. You sound more like a healthcare attorney than a CEO. 1099 reps are the wave of the future so that a reps income is not capped. Most people know that you don't get rich working for the man whether its Big Pharma or you as long as you're a W2 rep. You mention your reps being W2 with car allowance, 401K and health insurance but you don't mention uncapped bonuses. It sounds like you are afraid that reps will be more interested in being 1099 reps rather than W2 reps including your own reps. If you have truely never even heard of Affinis then why would even be reading a thread on Affinis in the first place? Your post leaves us scratching our heads wondering what your real motive is.
 




The Craig & Dan show is finally being cancelled or that ship is sinking along with all the lies. There was no doubt that both Craig & Dan were good at blowing smoke but once you got past the top layer there was nothing underneath. They lost the pharmacy that was working with them and I would hate to think how desperate or naive someone would have to be to work with him now. Craig has been promising to make everyone under the sun into a VP but the fact is they only had a handful of reps even listening to their tall tales in the end and most of those were just listening for the fun of it. Craig keeps telling some of these people that they will have hundreds of reps under them but no compounding pharmacy has hundreds of reps in the whole country let alone in a couple of states. What pharmacist or rep would want to work for any person as their CEO that would suggest that reps pay nurses and medical personnel a part of their own commission to ensure scripts would be sent to their company. There is nothing wrong with the basic idea of having a national sales force of 1099 reps for a compounding pharmacy as other pharmacies are doing the same but you have to have someone who knows what they are doing at the top and those close to the top and having a manager of business development whose only experience close to sales is real estate is a recipe for disaster. Everyone should have know they were as worthless as a comb for a bald guy when it took so long to get a website set up. I couldn't count the number of broken promises they made from websites being ready to abstracts to discounted healthcare benefits.
 




You got that right the Dan and Craig show is over...I feel bad for any of the reps they recruited...especially for Bob Simpsom of www.mypharmajobs.com he was told all these lies and then went out and recruited for the D&C scam... Bob hooked up with a very good coumpounding pharmacy and works directly with them. He is currently recruiting 1099 reps contact him at bob@mypharmajobs.com
 








Anonymous said:
Anyone know what a typical commission payout is per compound script?
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I think it varies a lot from company to company. Keep in mind that many companies will lie about what their average reimbursement is per script. I think most pay around 10% but I know that Bob Simpson's group is making a lot more than that. It just shows how much Craig was keeping for himself vs. the little money per script he was paying reps. What exactly was Craig doing to earn that much? Most managers make a SMALL percentage off the sales of their reps whereas it sounds like Craig was making much MORE than the reps when he and Dan were contributing nothing. When you are paying reps a flat rate of $50 per script rather than a fair percentage it's no wonder that he wanted reps to get the highest paying insurance scripts. It meant more money in his pocket while it didn't make a bit of difference to the reps pocket as long as the pharmacy got the minimum amount necessary for the rep to qualify for the $50 payout. On those TRICARE scripts he had to be making 2-4 times more money that his reps!!!
 




Anonymous said:
Why publicize his address?
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I guess be cause there are some people looking to collect the money he owes them from being ripped off. The man was suppose to be paying reps $50 per script and wasn't even doing that, he was keeping it himself. He was making over 10 times what he was suppose to be paying the reps but then again when you keep all the money and pay reps nothing it's a lot more than 10 times greater.
 




He tried to get me to work for him. I had my doubts about his "operation" when I could not get definitive answers to some of my questions and why it took so long to get the website up and running. But maybe that's how it's done, you bring in the people, make promises, everyone's hungry for some money, work it for awhile, leave no tracks then disappear. How did you find his address?
 








Anonymous said:
It seems to me that whoever wrote this about Affinis, the principals and team is very bitter!! As a professional pharmaceutical sales representative for Affinis pharmaceuticals, I have received payment for my sales every month. Yes sure, at first it was slow going, but the amounts paid to me have steadily increased month after month, anywhere from 50% to 200% moth after month. My efforts reflect my commissions. As I see it, I am building a book of business and I love the fact that the Affinis Sales Agreement states that my accounts will pay me in perpetuity for the life of the accounts. Meaning that Affinis will not just down size and take all of my accounts and income away.
We are part of a solution to Big Pharma Pill Mills and a society hooked on addictive pharmaceuticals. I feel happy to be building my income month after month with a company that stands for something good and that is part of a solution. I agree that Affinis is experiencing some growing pains, but all companies do. The principals and team are very sincere and are working hard to provide an excellent opportunity for pharmaceutical reps to set themselves up for real retirement. My personal friends and family have used the Affinis trans-dermal creams and all have reported fantastic results.
If you have not experienced success and are seeking immediate gratification, you will probably continue to be disappointed and bitter. It is very common for people to propagate negativity because of his or her own inadequate performance professionally or personally. They blame everyone but themselves;( The "doom gloomers" seem to always have a negative experience. Best of luck to you.
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No matter how bad the doom gloomers are, if they have relationships results should happen. I would have to disagree that it is NOT the rep, but rather the offering. The company is darn lucky to have you, if you're for real a rep for them.
 




Anonymous said:
You claim to be a CEO of a compounding pharmacy but you seem naive to the fact that so many companies are going to 1099 sales reps and there is nothing to make a company with 1099 reps more of a target than having W2 reps. You sound more like a healthcare attorney than a CEO. 1099 reps are the wave of the future so that a reps income is not capped. Most people know that you don't get rich working for the man whether its Big Pharma or you as long as you're a W2 rep. You mention your reps being W2 with car allowance, 401K and health insurance but you don't mention uncapped bonuses. It sounds like you are afraid that reps will be more interested in being 1099 reps rather than W2 reps including your own reps. If you have truely never even heard of Affinis then why would even be reading a thread on Affinis in the first place? Your post leaves us scratching our heads wondering what your real motive is.
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Great response! I am also a 1099 and have been since 2002 when I met one of the original founding members of medcepts who helped me get started after a series of territory and compensation reductions in the W2 world. Now I have my own team, national and regional sales managers. We are ALL compensated on results. It's obvious someone doesn't know about medical sales world. Commission on results is also offered by big pharma and big device companies that may also be paying a W2, so commission comp is popular but even better when it is ALL commission, as there are additional tax benefits, better ownership of our own efforts, along with a list of additional benefits.
 




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