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Anonymous said:
Well folks, the industry is shrinking and the purpose of putting up more hoops to jump through is to weed out the bottom half. Sales Numbers...can be faked and interviewers know it. If you won a President's Club award I would want to see it v. a bullet point on your resume. GPA...cannot be faked and whether you like it or not, it shows if you worked in school or if you actually have the ability to get some decent grades. It doesn't matter if it is a 2.799, that is still pretty low. And it doesn't matter if it was 40 or 2 years ago, it still is a reflection on what you did with yourself when you were 18-21. It is a measure to identify people that could produce results in college and did not just get by with a pile of average C grades. It makes sense to me that an employer would want to pick out candidates who strive for results that are above a C-level.
Have you ever read Aesop's gable of the Ant and the Grasshopper? The people who worked in college are reaping the benefit of their work. Everyone has choices to make in life and there are consequences to every choice. You cannot complain now that you did not work hard enough in school to get above a 2.8 GPA...this is (one of) the consequences.
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Employers CAN.... and HAVE checked sales numbers. All that they have to do is check with your former manager. I was just hired by a company that did this. My former Quintiles manager called me to let me know that they were confirming my sales numbers that I presented in a brag book. I was consistently a top producer on several contracts with Quintiles... and now, because of my results, I am being rewarded for it.... with another company. THANKGOODNESS! This Purdue contract is a joke. The only people they are "weeding out" are the people that can and have produced great results. What a joke.
 



Anonymous said:
It's a job, if it works out great, if not then hopefully something else will pan out. I was given the verbal offer last week after 1 face to face. The quintiles or purdue mgr didn't say a word about bringing transcripts. Got my packet for drug testing today and an email from certiphi background check confirming I attended the university on my resume. That was it. I know I don't have a 3.0 but it's not too far off. Maybe it depends on how serious the quintiles or purdue mgr were taking it?
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You have to fax your transcripts in to Quintiles.
 



not true; the company doing background check will verify gpa directly with college. Do you know how easy it is for any savvy creative person to manufacture something? Same concept as the numbers; in the old days, sure, it was a bit challenging; now with all that great software out there, simple to make up your own and pass it off as valid.
 



Anonymous said:
Well folks, the industry is shrinking and the purpose of putting up more hoops to jump through is to weed out the bottom half. Sales Numbers...can be faked and interviewers know it. If you won a President's Club award I would want to see it v. a bullet point on your resume. GPA...cannot be faked and whether you like it or not, it shows if you worked in school or if you actually have the ability to get some decent grades. It doesn't matter if it is a 2.799, that is still pretty low. And it doesn't matter if it was 40 or 2 years ago, it still is a reflection on what you did with yourself when you were 18-21. It is a measure to identify people that could produce results in college and did not just get by with a pile of average C grades. It makes sense to me that an employer would want to pick out candidates who strive for results that are above a C-level.
Have you ever read Aesop's gable of the Ant and the Grasshopper? The people who worked in college are reaping the benefit of their work. Everyone has choices to make in life and there are consequences to every choice. You cannot complain now that you did not work hard enough in school to get above a 2.8 GPA...this is (one of) the consequences.
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It doesn't necessarily tell you anything. First, no one is the same person they were 10-20 years ago. Second maybe they were a student that worked their way through college, maybe their parents did not just hand them the money to go to college which means their time was divided between work and school where the other student could devote 100% of their time to school and getting those perfect grades.
 



lets see, chemistry major 2.78 gpa and played major college football, or teaching degree major p.e. 3.3 gpa, who do you think worked harder in college to maintain gpa

question for purdue, do they hold current employees to this standard also
 



Anonymous said:
not true; the company doing background check will verify gpa directly with college. Do you know how easy it is for any savvy creative person to manufacture something? Same concept as the numbers; in the old days, sure, it was a bit challenging; now with all that great software out there, simple to make up your own and pass it off as valid.
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I am sure they will check in the background check too, but I also had to fax mine in.
 






The thing I find short-sited on this GPA thing is there is no distinction made with regard to major. A science major has a much harder row to hoe than say an education major ( no offense to you Ed majors out there). How about a person that had to work their way through college and therefore grades suffered a little. Man we got some myopic people running some of these big companies! LOL!
 



Anonymous said:
The thing I find short-sited on this GPA thing is there is no distinction made with regard to major. A science major has a much harder row to hoe than say an education major ( no offense to you Ed majors out there). How about a person that had to work their way through college and therefore grades suffered a little. Man we got some myopic people running some of these big companies! LOL!
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What is completely contradictory about their system is that I was interviewd by a manger, that drove in late, was not dressed professionally, ordered a cocktail before noon and seemed lost when I mentioned the p value of a study his contract was using. Now I'm sure he had a high GPA but it clearly was not from a college of science, and I doubt it was from a major university at all. Clearly not qualified to interpet the sales ability of someone with a sales history full of success in pharmaceuticals. This company is not what it used to be and that is all to clear by the absence of contracts available.
 






blame this entire fiasco on purdue; they set the silly standards, when they signed this contract, that quintiles has to deliver as the cso.
The reps all were supposed to have final interviews with both the quintiles dms and their purdue managers, so that purdue could make the final hiring decision.
My question is: were the quintiles dms likewise interviewed by purdue managers who made the hiring decision, or were they already onboard being chosen by quintiles solely?
Having worked for this company in the past, I cannot fathom how some of the dms here got their jobs; the most clueless, unqualified, unethical morons ever!
 



The DM's interviewed with Purdue, yet there was a lot of pressure from Quintiles to get them hired. The other poster is correct in that Quintiles is not what it used to be. They are run by a bunch of pharma "has been's" who watch out after each other. The interview process is highly questionable with any of the contracts here. Jobs are not going to the best candidates, they are going to old friends. People turn their heads and no one does anything about it.

The poster is 100% correct, unethical does not even begin to describe the situation at Quintiles right now.
 



The client sets the requirements and Quintiles delivers the candidates. GPA, pharma experience, and living in the territory are posted. Don't think there is room for exception.
They have too many reps to choose from with all the requirements. I took a hit on gpa too. Reapply with next contract.
 






Anonymous said:
They do not have that many candidates. Homestudy started and our district is half full. Our manager gets a new resignation every day.
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I totally believe this. Quintiles is doing it to it's self. A mojorty of the managers they have brought on have no instincts, some are competent, but too many have no feel for putting a team together. Add to that their disregard for applicable experience in lue of assessment testing by a third party and the formula equals turnover and discontinued contracts.
 



Interesting point. I did not get great grades in my undergraduate. I worked, partied and was in a fraternity. I earned a 2.78 or something around there. I have since completed a Masters Degree was on the deans list and graduated with honors. 3.93 Cum GPA. The Quintiles recruiter says that only UNDERGRADUATE is taken into consideration. WTF undergrad was 15 years ago in an unrelated field! My masters is in Health Sciences and was completed last year. Which one is more relevant knuckleheads.
 



Anonymous said:
Interesting point. I did not get great grades in my undergraduate. I worked, partied and was in a fraternity. I earned a 2.78 or something around there. I have since completed a Masters Degree was on the deans list and graduated with honors. 3.93 Cum GPA. The Quintiles recruiter says that only UNDERGRADUATE is taken into consideration. WTF undergrad was 15 years ago in an unrelated field! My masters is in Health Sciences and was completed last year. Which one is more relevant knuckleheads.
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This is pharmaceutical sales, it is not supposed to make sense.
 






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