glen beckkk not advocating violence

[Rush's Anal Boil]

Who was threatened? How about those who filmed it and reported it?

•Bartle Bull—Bull is an attorney and former publisher of the Village Voice. He has been a civil rights activist since the 1960s, working in Mississippi and throughout the South. He was New York chairman of the Robert Kennedy for President campaign. Bull testified at the April 23 Commission hearing. He was a poll watcher at the Philadelphia polling place on election day. He saw the two Black Panthers and testified that it was the worst case of voter intimidation he had ever seen, going back to the 1960s in Mississippi. He also testified that he saw voters approach the polling place, turn around, and walk away because they were intimidated by the two Panthers.
•Chris Hill—Hill testified before the Commission on April 23. He lives near the polling place. He was a registered poll watcher that day and testified that the Panthers were an intimidating presence. He heard them yell racial epithets at poll watchers. He saw voters turn around and walk away from the polling place because they were intimidated. He testified that black poll watchers inside the polling place were frightened. When he attempted to enter the polling place as was his right as a certified poll watcher, the two Panthers “closed ranks” in an attempt to block him, but he walked past them and in the door.

The law is supposed to be enforced regardless of the race of those intimidated. Because those who were intimidated were white, then you refuse to see there was an issue. But hey, it was mostly a black polling place so if the klan shows up armed at a mostly white polling place it's OK, right?

Malik Shabazz — the NBPP thug-in-chief — put out a nationwide warning.
“We will be at the polls in the cities and counties in many states to ensure that the enemy does not sabotage the black vote, which was won through the blood of the martyrs of our people.”

I noticed you didnt supply a link...but nice bio set up for Bartle Bull. But you forgot to mention that he was a McCain/Palin poll watcher that day with a strong dislike for Obama who advanced dillusional ACORN theories of voter fraud and exaggeration that even people on your side distanced themselves from.

The Commission’s attention to the case, like the testimony of a Republican poll watcher with impeccable civil rights credentials, has lent credibility to Obama administration critics who argue that the Department of Justice went easy on a black supremacist group for political reasons. That poll watcher was Bartle Bull, an ally of the late Robert F. Kennedy who testified that the Panther stunt “would qualify as the most blatant form of voter intimidation I have encountered in my political campaigns in many states, even going back to the work I did in Mississippi in the 1960′s.” After the Justice Department decided to stop pursuing charges, Bull appeared on “The O’Reilly Factor” to go even further.

As effective as he’s been in pushing the case, Bull’s gone further than some of his allies would have liked. Before the Philadelphia incident, Bull had endorsed McCain and denounced Obama, saying his “notion of economic fairness is pure Karl Marx, plus a pocketful of Chicago-style ‘community organization.’”

“He loves the limelight more than I do,” said Morse.

Kirsanow, who has cited Bull in his public comments on the New Black Panthers, also put a little bit of distance between his charges and the commission’s concerns. “With all due respect to Bull … he saw what happened in the civil rights movement,” Kirsanow said. “But given the history of voting rights suppression in South, some of which resulted in a lot of violence, I don’t know that we can compare that to what happened in Philadelphia. It’s similar in kind, if not in degree.”

One problem with comparing the Philadelphia incident to the infamous crimes of the 1960s is that it didn’t effectively target potential McCain voters. Rather than targeting white voters, or going to a predominantly Republican district, the NBP went to a largely African-American precinct close to downtown Philadelphia. Obama carried the precinct by a landslide, with 596 votes to only 13 votes for McCain. The Republican candidate fared worse than George W. Bush in 2004, when he won 24 votes there, but better than Bush in 2000, when he won only eight votes. In a race that Obama won by 620,478 votes statewide, the New Black Panther incident was a blip.​

http://washingtonindependent.com/56...ission-may-target-doj-over-new-black-panthers


You have yet to supply any voter at that precint who was intimidated by the guys presence, but a bunch of GOP poll watchers who had an interest in hyping this up.

FAIL!

 

[Man For All Seasons]

I noticed you didnt supply a link...but nice bio set up for Bartle Bull. But you forgot to mention that he was a McCain/Palin poll watcher that day with a strong dislike for Obama who advanced dillusional ACORN theories of voter fraud and exaggeration that even people on your side distanced themselves from.

The Commission’s attention to the case, like the testimony of a Republican poll watcher with impeccable civil rights credentials, has lent credibility to Obama administration critics who argue that the Department of Justice went easy on a black supremacist group for political reasons. That poll watcher was Bartle Bull, an ally of the late Robert F. Kennedy who testified that the Panther stunt “would qualify as the most blatant form of voter intimidation I have encountered in my political campaigns in many states, even going back to the work I did in Mississippi in the 1960′s.” After the Justice Department decided to stop pursuing charges, Bull appeared on “The O’Reilly Factor” to go even further.

As effective as he’s been in pushing the case, Bull’s gone further than some of his allies would have liked. Before the Philadelphia incident, Bull had endorsed McCain and denounced Obama, saying his “notion of economic fairness is pure Karl Marx, plus a pocketful of Chicago-style ‘community organization.’”

“He loves the limelight more than I do,” said Morse.

Kirsanow, who has cited Bull in his public comments on the New Black Panthers, also put a little bit of distance between his charges and the commission’s concerns. “With all due respect to Bull … he saw what happened in the civil rights movement,” Kirsanow said. “But given the history of voting rights suppression in South, some of which resulted in a lot of violence, I don’t know that we can compare that to what happened in Philadelphia. It’s similar in kind, if not in degree.”

One problem with comparing the Philadelphia incident to the infamous crimes of the 1960s is that it didn’t effectively target potential McCain voters. Rather than targeting white voters, or going to a predominantly Republican district, the NBP went to a largely African-American precinct close to downtown Philadelphia. Obama carried the precinct by a landslide, with 596 votes to only 13 votes for McCain. The Republican candidate fared worse than George W. Bush in 2004, when he won 24 votes there, but better than Bush in 2000, when he won only eight votes. In a race that Obama won by 620,478 votes statewide, the New Black Panther incident was a blip.​

http://washingtonindependent.com/56...ission-may-target-doj-over-new-black-panthers


You have yet to supply any voter at that precint who was intimidated by the guys presence, but a bunch of GOP poll watchers who had an interest in hyping this up.

FAIL!

Yep, you've failed at everything save making a complete fool of yourself!

Oh, and if you can't see the difference between a public gathering and a polling place then you are beyond all help. Oh, and a link has no bearing on whether a statement is indeed true or not. You really come off as exceedingly foolish on that one!

Now run along and sign Beck's Nonviolence Pledge and shut up!

 

[Rush's Anal Boil]

Yep, you've failed at everything save making a complete fool of yourself!

Oh, and if you can't see the difference between a public gathering and a polling place then you are beyond all help. Oh, and a link has no bearing on whether a statement is indeed true or not. You really come off as exceedingly foolish on that one!

Now run along and sign Beck's Nonviolence Pledge and shut up!

The fact the you jumped in is all I need to know that I scored a double pimp slapping on you wingnuts.

PWND!

Now run along and sign Bachmann's blood oath to teabaggery.

 

[jasmin]

I noticed you didnt supply a link...but nice bio set up for Bartle Bull. But you forgot to mention that he was a McCain/Palin poll watcher that day with a strong dislike for Obama who advanced dillusional ACORN theories of voter fraud and exaggeration that even people on your side distanced themselves from.

The Commission’s attention to the case, like the testimony of a Republican poll watcher with impeccable civil rights credentials, has lent credibility to Obama administration critics who argue that the Department of Justice went easy on a black supremacist group for political reasons. That poll watcher was Bartle Bull, an ally of the late Robert F. Kennedy who testified that the Panther stunt “would qualify as the most blatant form of voter intimidation I have encountered in my political campaigns in many states, even going back to the work I did in Mississippi in the 1960′s.” After the Justice Department decided to stop pursuing charges, Bull appeared on “The O’Reilly Factor” to go even further.

As effective as he’s been in pushing the case, Bull’s gone further than some of his allies would have liked. Before the Philadelphia incident, Bull had endorsed McCain and denounced Obama, saying his “notion of economic fairness is pure Karl Marx, plus a pocketful of Chicago-style ‘community organization.’”

“He loves the limelight more than I do,” said Morse.

Kirsanow, who has cited Bull in his public comments on the New Black Panthers, also put a little bit of distance between his charges and the commission’s concerns. “With all due respect to Bull … he saw what happened in the civil rights movement,” Kirsanow said. “But given the history of voting rights suppression in South, some of which resulted in a lot of violence, I don’t know that we can compare that to what happened in Philadelphia. It’s similar in kind, if not in degree.”

One problem with comparing the Philadelphia incident to the infamous crimes of the 1960s is that it didn’t effectively target potential McCain voters. Rather than targeting white voters, or going to a predominantly Republican district, the NBP went to a largely African-American precinct close to downtown Philadelphia. Obama carried the precinct by a landslide, with 596 votes to only 13 votes for McCain. The Republican candidate fared worse than George W. Bush in 2004, when he won 24 votes there, but better than Bush in 2000, when he won only eight votes. In a race that Obama won by 620,478 votes statewide, the New Black Panther incident was a blip.​

http://washingtonindependent.com/56...ission-may-target-doj-over-new-black-panthers


You have yet to supply any voter at that precint who was intimidated by the guys presence, but a bunch of GOP poll watchers who had an interest in hyping this up.

FAIL!

I cited the witnesses in the case. Funny your post shows the idiocy that the case doesn't have merit because it was in a mostly black precinct. I guess you'll dismiss the others who testified and quit their jobs over the way this was handled. I hope those who wish to intimidate minority voters learn from this and that it is OK in mostly white precincts. And the fact obama won or by how much has absolutely zero relevance to this case. It is voter intimidation plain and simple and many are running in circles trying to protect those responsible for dropping this case and the evidence that shows they refused to properly investigate and prosecute when the voter intimidated was white.

 

[Rush's Anal Boil]

I cited the witnesses in the case. Funny your post shows the idiocy that the case doesn't have merit because it was in a mostly black precinct. I guess you'll dismiss the others who testified and quit their jobs over the way this was handled. I hope those who wish to intimidate minority voters learn from this and that it is OK in mostly white precincts. And the fact obama won or by how much has absolutely zero relevance to this case. It is voter intimidation plain and simple and many are running in circles trying to protect those responsible for dropping this case and the evidence that shows they refused to properly investigate and prosecute when the voter intimidated was white.

!. The "witness" you cited comes with NO LINKS to your source. How come?

They claim all these people were intimidated and turned away, yet none of them had it in them to complain? Your witnesses worked for the GOP candidate.

2. It was Bush DOJ that did not prosecute but filed civil action with and injunction.

On January 7, 2009, a couple weeks before Obama took office, the Department of Justice filed a civil action in federal court accusing the two men, as well as the New Black Panther Party and its leader Malik Zulu Shabazz, of engaging in voter intimidation. Although none of the defendants responded to the complaint, the Department decided last year to drop its case against all but King Samir Shabazz, the one with the nightstick. The department asked for, and got, an injunction prohibiting Shabazz from displaying a weapon within 100 feet of a Philadelphia polling location until 2012​

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And it was also the Bush DOJ that did NOT prosecute voter intimidation of latinos by Minutemen Militia brandishing ACTUAL weapons (9mm GLock automatics) who questioned voters to determine how well was their english.

In Arizona, Roy Warden, an anti-immigration activist with the Minutemen, and a handful of supporters staked out a Tucson precinct and questioned Hispanic voters at the polls to determine whether they spoke English.

Armed with a 9mm Glock automatic strapped to his side, Warden said he planned to photograph Hispanic voters entering polls in an effort to identify illegal immigrants and felons. The Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund reported the incident to the FBI​

November 8, 2006, Austin American-Statesman

On Election Day, a posse of three men in Tucson, Ariz., proved that the Wild West still lives.

The group, which was three strong, and allegedly composed of two anti-immigration activists, Russ Dove and Roy Warden, carried a camcorder, a clipboard -- on which, they said, was information about a proposed law to make English the state's official language -- and a gun. While one man would approach a voter, holding the clipboard, another would follow, pointing the video camera at them. The third would stand behind, holding his hand to the gun at his hip in what activists on the other side called classic voter intimidation tactics in a precinct one local paper had previously declared the bellwether of the area's Hispanic vote.

It's not the first time Dove and Warden have been accused of this type of act. Dove, who is a convicted felon and former militia member, patrolled Arizona's polls in 2004 as well, and Warden has publicly burned a Mexican flag (for which he was charged with arson) and acknowledged that he sought a concealed-carry permit for a gun, partly in hopes of enticing a local police officer to attack him and force Warden to use deadly force in self-defense.​

November 21, 2006, Salon.com



I am not excusing the NBPP actions, but when you can show me were YOU were just as concerned about the cases of these latino voters where intimidated not with sticks, but with GLOCKS, or Fux News givng the Arizona just as much airtime as they did with the one in Philly, I will forever give your outrage ONE BIG FRIKKIN YAWN. THe Bush DOJ did not prosecute THAT case either. Payback is a bitch, isnt it?

 

[jasmin]

The longer I am here, the more I see your standard tactics for discussion. Whenever you get to where you can't defend your position further you change the subject, usually to distantly and hardly unrelated topics.

I was not the one who brought up the NBPP on this thread to make a point - you did. So it is idiotic to think I would talk about other cases of voter intimidation, especially when this has nothing to do with whether or not a pundit advocates violence. Regardless of what the 'other side' does does not make this case acceptable. And I'm not rehashing the endless discussion of who did what and the direct ties to the obama administration that produced in the outcome of this case. But their actions are likely to come back to bite them when, in 2012, there are no restrictions on NBPP activities.

Finally, I wasn't even registered in 2006 so why would I have commented on this previous case? I also haven't commented on the cases from Mississippi in the 60s but that doesn't mean you can conclude my position.

None of this has anything to do with the ridiculous premise of this thread.

 

[Rush's Anal Boil]

The longer I am here, the more I see your standard tactics for discussion. Whenever you get to where you can't defend your position further you change the subject, usually to distantly and hardly unrelated topics.

I was not the one who brought up the NBPP on this thread to make a point - you did. So it is idiotic to think I would talk about other cases of voter intimidation, especially when this has nothing to do with whether or not a pundit advocates violence. Regardless of what the 'other side' does does not make this case acceptable. And I'm not rehashing the endless discussion of who did what and the direct ties to the obama administration that produced in the outcome of this case. But their actions are likely to come back to bite them when, in 2012, there are no restrictions on NBPP activities.

Finally, I wasn't even registered in 2006 so why would I have commented on this previous case? I also haven't commented on the cases from Mississippi in the 60s but that doesn't mean you can conclude my position.

None of this has anything to do with the ridiculous premise of this thread.

And the longer I exchange with you, the more Im convinced you want everyone to think that history only began when Obama was elected.

My point in even bringing up the NBPP was the fact the the network that employs Beck- who advocated shooting people in the head, reported that NBPP story endlessly......over a stick. Dont you find it odd that stick in front of a polling place gathered more outraged from FOX than their employee advocating a Gabby on those who disagreed politically? That was ok, in their book.


But instead, you attempted to make the case over several posts that I supported the actions of the NBBP and that it was something beyond the pale....What a stretch! But once I put in perspective that Fox News nor YOU cared to bother with ACTUAL voter intimidation where GLOCKS were used against latinos, as you always do, throw in the towel accusing one of changing the subject.

Perhaps this should be your clue to become better informed and to realize that some of us dont care for your pearl clutching outrage based on bullshit misinformation ginned up by your sources who'se only purpose is to manipulate you.

You made that claim that a white supremacist group would have been tried and convicted , but then I when I showed you where it was not by the same Bush DOJ who dismissed this NBPP case, you gave up.

We all saw that.

 

[Man For All Seasons]

The fact the you jumped in is all I need to know that I scored a double pimp slapping on you wingnuts.

PWND!

Now run along and sign Bachmann's blood oath to teabaggery.

You know nothing. That's your problem. Run along now Retarded Anal Boy! It's obvious you've taken the pledge of stupidity!