FYI : California Employment Law 2019

Malignant breast smear? Cytotechs can't sign out nongyns. And who would want a diagnosis of breast cancer off of a cytology specimen? Core biopsies are the standard of care and for good reason.

You are obviously in sales. If you had an FNA misdiagnosed as fibrocystic disease or a benign fibroadenoma, why would you have a core bx? The fact is, that was the case that opened up the can of worms, and it is a good thing it did.Like it or not. If you are really interested instead of just trolling, do the research.[/QUOTE]

I work in cytopathology. NO ONE does breast FNA anymore. The only time you see them on are CAP slides. It was a highly inaccurate test that lead to many false negatives and false positives. If I were a woman, I wouldn't want the test done on me. I don't understand why a nongyn would lead to CLIA 88 when cytotechs aren't allowed to sign them out and breast FNA were highly subjective. I always heard it was misdiagnosed pap tests due to tech screening 200 or so cases a day at home.
 






It doesn't look like Labcorp follows state or federal law. The job application asks your salary - illegal in CA, NY and other states.
It also asks are you over 40? This has been against federal law to ask a job candidate since 1960.
 






You are obviously in sales. If you had an FNA misdiagnosed as fibrocystic disease or a benign fibroadenoma, why would you have a core bx? The fact is, that was the case that opened up the can of worms, and it is a good thing it did.Like it or not. If you are really interested instead of just trolling, do the research.

I work in cytopathology. NO ONE does breast FNA anymore. The only time you see them on are CAP slides. It was a highly inaccurate test that lead to many false negatives and false positives. If I were a woman, I wouldn't want the test done on me. I don't understand why a nongyn would lead to CLIA 88 when cytotechs aren't allowed to sign them out and breast FNA were highly subjective. I always heard it was misdiagnosed pap tests due to tech screening 200 or so cases a day at home.[/QUOTE]

Good grief. Are you really a Cytotech? The fact is the missed diagnosis, some how, opened case the can of worms because the patient was a legislator. All of the missed pap cases began to be published when patients sued. The state sent inspectors into pap mills to rescreen slides, leading to the closing of a major mill, Central Medical Lab, in California, as a result of a series of investigative reporting exposed by the Wall Street Journal. And yes, techs were taking slides home to make extra money. Most techs had 2 jobs and still took work home because these pap mills paid so poorly. Most other labs could not complete with the low pricing of the pap at that time.To maintain these conditions, management ran a Gestapo. Anyone who spoke up or raised concerns about pay was fired and blacklisted. In fact, the Medical Director/Pathologist at the largest pap mill was fired for speaking up and supporting a group of Cytotech Techs’ push for improved wages and working conditions. Techs, with a conscience, had to supplement their pay with piece work in order to pay the rent while other techs saw this as an opportunity to strike it rich. Especially, some of the techs who could not speak English well. They went into this field because it gave them easy access to a green card b/c of the labor shortage. Some screened over 400 paps per day. !!Conventional smears!! Of course they missed cases and did not care. It was the cost of doing business.

The investigative reporting allowed the whistleblowers’ voices to be heard, the public to be educated and legislation to be passed, limiting the number of slides a tech could read within 24 hours. The day that the legislation went into effect, salaries doubled due to supply and demand.
Do you know that there were Cytotechs who actually fought the legislation? They preferred those harsh working conditions. They thought that they were being kicked out of heaven. But most cytotechs rejoiced.

Sometimes it feels like history is repeating itself.
 






It doesn't look like Labcorp follows state or federal law. The job application asks your salary - illegal in CA, NY and other states.
It also asks are you over 40? This has been against federal law to ask a job candidate since 1960.

Yes. Those questions are clearly illegal. Age discrimination is live and well. There are some real tools in management who use age like a weapon and behave as if they won't get older. Personally, I don’t trust a place, especially leadership, where I don’t see grey hair.
 






You are obviously in sales. If you had an FNA misdiagnosed as fibrocystic disease or a benign fibroadenoma, why would you have a core bx? The fact is, that was the case that opened up the can of worms, and it is a good thing it did.Like it or not. If you are really interested instead of just trolling, do the research.

I work in cytopathology. NO ONE does breast FNA anymore. The only time you see them on are CAP slides. It was a highly inaccurate test that lead to many false negatives and false positives. If I were a woman, I wouldn't want the test done on me. I don't understand why a nongyn would lead to CLIA 88 when cytotechs aren't allowed to sign them out and breast FNA were highly subjective. I always heard it was misdiagnosed pap tests due to tech screening 200 or so cases a day at home.[/QUOTE]

The pathologists who worked in these pap mills also read too many tissues. At the pap mill that was closed, the one pathologist read hundreds of biopsies and POCs each day. No one could read a biopsy faster. The codes were canned to enhance the speed of reporting. He signed out abnormal paps, non-gyns, and biopsies. This may be how the misdiagnosed breast smear led to the discovery of the misdiagnosed paps.
 






I work in cytopathology. NO ONE does breast FNA anymore. The only time you see them on are CAP slides. It was a highly inaccurate test that lead to many false negatives and false positives. If I were a woman, I wouldn't want the test done on me. I don't understand why a nongyn would lead to CLIA 88 when cytotechs aren't allowed to sign them out and breast FNA were highly subjective. I always heard it was misdiagnosed pap tests due to tech screening 200 or so cases a day at home.

The pathologists who worked in these pap mills also read too many tissues. At the pap mill that was closed, the one pathologist read hundreds of biopsies and POCs each day. No one could read a biopsy faster. The codes were canned to enhance the speed of reporting. He signed out abnormal paps, non-gyns, and biopsies. This may be how the misdiagnosed breast smear led to the discovery of the misdiagnosed paps.[/QUOTE]

Correctomundo! Pathologist are limited to 80 Pap slides a day, also when they do primary screening.
 






You are obviously in sales. If you had an FNA misdiagnosed as fibrocystic disease or a benign fibroadenoma, why would you have a core bx? The fact is, that was the case that opened up the can of worms, and it is a good thing it did.Like it or not. If you are really interested instead of just trolling, do the research.

I work in cytopathology. NO ONE does breast FNA anymore. The only time you see them on are CAP slides. It was a highly inaccurate test that lead to many false negatives and false positives. If I were a woman, I wouldn't want the test done on me. I don't understand why a nongyn would lead to CLIA 88 when cytotechs aren't allowed to sign them out and breast FNA were highly subjective. I always heard it was misdiagnosed pap tests due to tech screening 200 or so cases a day at home.[/QUOTE]

The cytotechs were not allowed to take slides home at the pap mill that the state closed down. They simply gave them a very low salary. A workday was 4 hours. After screening the hundred cases( 1to 3 slides/case) you could then start your extras at $1.00/case. They also ran a Gestapo. Afterwards, the tech went to his/her next job. Most mills used this model.
 






I work in cytopathology. NO ONE does breast FNA anymore. The only time you see them on are CAP slides. It was a highly inaccurate test that lead to many false negatives and false positives. If I were a woman, I wouldn't want the test done on me. I don't understand why a nongyn would lead to CLIA 88 when cytotechs aren't allowed to sign them out and breast FNA were highly subjective. I always heard it was misdiagnosed pap tests due to tech screening 200 or so cases a day at home.

The cytotechs were not allowed to take slides home at the pap mill that the state closed down. They simply gave them a very low salary. A workday was 4 hours. After screening the hundred cases( 1to 3 slides/case) you could then start your extras at $1.00/case. They also ran a Gestapo. Afterwards, the tech went to his/her next job. Most mills used this model.[/QUOTE]

Slides had to be read at the lab because of turn around time. TAT ruled nearly every decision. All slides had to be processed, read, and reported in 24 hours.
 






To better understand, these labs treated techs like restaurants treat waiters. The base pay is low so waiters depend on tips to get by. In like manner, the base pay for cytotechnologists was very low, so that they depended on extras ( additional pay by the slide work which ranged from 50 cents per case to $1.25 per case) Techs, who were fortunate enough to work for a hospital or smaller lab were treated better, in that they had benefits like health care and pensions, but most independent labs could not compete with the low price of the Pap at that time. When the law changed, large labs like Cancer Screening Cervices, with over 50 cytotechs, came into full compliance. Pay went up, but since most CSS clients (who were national and international) mailed in their specimens, it became more cost effective for these clients to use local labs for cytology. CSS finally had to close its doors. However, what was even more effective was the Union, that raised the pay for Kaiser workers. Other labs had to compete for cytotechs with Kaiser, so there was an increase in pay for all cytotechs.
The increased pay for cytotechs, then made automation cost effective after Hologic lobbied the law that made the computer assisted screened liquid based slide count as .05 slide. By doing this, the labs made money by increasing the workloads of cytotechs. The rest is history. Back to square one?

This job is highly intense and stressful. The bullying and vindictiveness, fighting over crumbs that goes on is so unnecessary. What would help is professionally trained supervisors and managers who are not just lawfully qualified, but are psychologically fit and good people. The problem is that the best people do not want the job or are overlooked for obvious reasons.
 






To better understand, these labs treated techs like restaurants treat waiters. The base pay is low so waiters depend on tips to get by. In like manner, the base pay for cytotechnologists was very low, so that they depended on extras ( additional pay by the slide work which ranged from 50 cents per case to $1.25 per case) Techs, who were fortunate enough to work for a hospital or smaller lab were treated better, in that they had benefits like health care and pensions, but most independent labs could not compete with the low price of the Pap at that time. When the law changed, large labs like Cancer Screening Cervices, with over 50 cytotechs, came into full compliance. Pay went up, but since most CSS clients (who were national and international) mailed in their specimens, it became more cost effective for these clients to use local labs for cytology. CSS finally had to close its doors. However, what was even more effective was the Union, that raised the pay for Kaiser workers. Other labs had to compete for cytotechs with Kaiser, so there was an increase in pay for all cytotechs.
The increased pay for cytotechs, then made automation cost effective after Hologic lobbied the law that made the computer assisted screened liquid based slide count as .05 slide. By doing this, the labs made money by increasing the workloads of cytotechs. The rest is history. Back to square one?

This job is highly intense and stressful. The bullying and vindictiveness, fighting over crumbs that goes on is so unnecessary. What would help is professionally trained supervisors and managers who are not just lawfully qualified, but are psychologically fit and good people. The problem is that the best people do not want the job or are overlooked for obvious reasons.

Hate to be so anal, but I have a correction: NOT .05 but .5 or 1/2 slide.
 






To better understand, these labs treated techs like restaurants treat waiters. The base pay is low so waiters depend on tips to get by. In like manner, the base pay for cytotechnologists was very low, so that they depended on extras ( additional pay by the slide work which ranged from 50 cents per case to $1.25 per case) Techs, who were fortunate enough to work for a hospital or smaller lab were treated better, in that they had benefits like health care and pensions, but most independent labs could not compete with the low price of the Pap at that time. When the law changed, large labs like Cancer Screening Cervices, with over 50 cytotechs, came into full compliance. Pay went up, but since most CSS clients (who were national and international) mailed in their specimens, it became more cost effective for these clients to use local labs for cytology. CSS finally had to close its doors. However, what was even more effective was the Union, that raised the pay for Kaiser workers. Other labs had to compete for cytotechs with Kaiser, so there was an increase in pay for all cytotechs.
The increased pay for cytotechs, then made automation cost effective after Hologic lobbied the law that made the computer assisted screened liquid based slide count as .05 slide. By doing this, the labs made money by increasing the workloads of cytotechs. The rest is history. Back to square one?

This job is highly intense and stressful. The bullying and vindictiveness, fighting over crumbs that goes on is so unnecessary. What would help is professionally trained supervisors and managers who are not just lawfully qualified, but are psychologically fit and good people. The problem is that the best people do not want the job or are overlooked for obvious reasons.

Thanks for the history lesson grandpa.

Lesson is to NOT go into cytology. Dying field. Nothing to see there.
 






Thanks for the history lesson grandpa.

Lesson is to NOT go into cytology. Dying field. Nothing to see there.

Thanks sales boy. You will be selling Kia subcompacts soon at $50 a transaction, while fighting for a shift on the holiday weekend blowout sale. We are scientists and you have to walk door to door in a tie just to sell our highly trained services. We will all laugh when your “commission” jobs are done away with and you are replaced by technical service reps.
 






Thanks sales boy. You will be selling Kia subcompacts soon at $50 a transaction, while fighting for a shift on the holiday weekend blowout sale. We are scientists and you have to walk door to door in a tie just to sell our highly trained services. We will all laugh when your “commission” jobs are done away with and you are replaced by technical service reps.

Suck my ballz u retarded ho mo janitor from political board
 












Thanks sales boy. You will be selling Kia subcompacts soon at $50 a transaction, while fighting for a shift on the holiday weekend blowout sale. We are scientists and you have to walk door to door in a tie just to sell our highly trained services. We will all laugh when your “commission” jobs are done away with and you are replaced by technical service reps.

What will you be doing when the Pap test dies off?
 






What will you be doing when the Pap test dies off?

I’ll be retired and bossing you around the showroom at my local Hyundai Dealership. That’s right, bring me another bottle of water and some candy while your flunky coworkers get another model ready for a test drive. This is your future. You will work holidays and weekends and you’ll be grateful for the opportunity.
 






No one is casting aspersions. We are just trying to make things better for all of us. In California, the 24 hour period for starts at 12:00 midnight. When the cytotechs finish work, there must be a 12 hour rest period before the techs may begin the next work day. This new work day must begin after midnight.

This means that when cytotech begins work (the new day begins at midnight), finishes work within the required amount of time, the take at least a 12 rest period. The cytotech may not screen slides before the new work day, which starts after midnight. Get it?.
The way LCA currently keeps time creates unnecessary burden, and may lower productivity.. If a tech has a start time at 7:00am and has a flat tire, or runs into heavy traffic, and cannot make it to work before 11:00 am., the start time must shift for the rest of the week to 11:00am unless the tech takes 1/2 day of unscheduled PTO. Understand?

This is why all other labs, in California, follow the midnight!new workday rule, and the labs that classify cytotechs as exempt from overtime do not have a time clock.
 






Looks like you were having a difficult time trying to explain, so l will help you out.

In California a cytotechnologist may not screen more than the equivalent of 80 GYN slides in less than 8 hours within a 24 hour period.

The 24 hour day begins at 12:00 midnight.

Example:
Dan begins his day at 8:00am and screens 70 slides. He is finished for the day and leaves work at 4:00pm. It is now required that Dan take a 12 hour rest period before he may screen more slides. This means that Dan may begin his new day after 4:00am on the following day. This satisfies the 24 hr rule.and this is how California cytology labs obey the law.