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Anyone take a look at the severance package where is shows the positions that were let go and the age?!! Isn't it unbelievable how the MAJORITY of those let go were in the 38-48 age range and ALL EXECUTIVE SALES CONSULTANTS!!! Hmmm cant get a 3 on Values and Behaviors but yet they use that to determine who stays and who goes. Sounds like discrimination to me!!! Ridiculous!!!!
 




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Anyone take a look at the severance package where is shows the positions that were let go and the age?!! Isn't it unbelievable how the MAJORITY of those let go were in the 38-48 age range and ALL EXECUTIVE SALES CONSULTANTS!!! Hmmm cant get a 3 on Values and Behaviors but yet they use that to determine who stays and who goes. Sounds like discrimination to me!!! Ridiculous!!!!
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40 and over is a protected class. Can you post the severance package but leave out your personal info?
 




The cuts were all across the board and there was no reasoning behind them. Many younger, first years reps were cut as well as experienced reps that were near retirement age. The only group that may have some sort of a legal case would be the first year reps that were judged on hypothetical rankings that weren't even based on their actual performance in the field. Can't just give someone a 2-2 if they didn't earn it. This especially holds true when home office states the reason for the layoffs was based off of poor performance in 2013, but decided no to use or weren't able to use the 2013 rankings. Just doesn't make sense.
 




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The cuts were all across the board and there was no reasoning behind them. Many younger, first years reps were cut as well as experienced reps that were near retirement age. The only group that may have some sort of a legal case would be the first year reps that were judged on hypothetical rankings that weren't even based on their actual performance in the field. Can't just give someone a 2-2 if they didn't earn it. This especially holds true when home office states the reason for the layoffs was based off of poor performance in 2013, but decided no to use or weren't able to use the 2013 rankings. Just doesn't make sense.
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It doesn't make sense because they did what they wanted. They gave no specific reason to each person who was laid off so it would be more difficult to prove discrimination. All you know is that they said they did not use 2013 but they never said what they did use. In the 2010 layoff they gave reps 2-2 if they did not have a review for 2008 or 2009. Many were kept that had been hired during 2009 and did not even work a full year and many older reps and/or longer tenure reps were laid off.
 








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It doesn't make sense because they did what they wanted. They gave no specific reason to each person who was laid off so it would be more difficult to prove discrimination. All you know is that they said they did not use 2013 but they never said what they did use. In the 2010 layoff they gave reps 2-2 if they did not have a review for 2008 or 2009. Many were kept that had been hired during 2009 and did not even work a full year and many older reps and/or longer tenure reps were laid off.
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Move on...if you were still here you would have 6 mths tops...so you have a head start take it and MOVE ON
 




Anonymous said:
Anyone take a look at the severance package where is shows the positions that were let go and the age?!! Isn't it unbelievable how the MAJORITY of those let go were in the 38-48 age range and ALL EXECUTIVE SALES CONSULTANTS!!! Hmmm cant get a 3 on Values and Behaviors but yet they use that to determine who stays and who goes. Sounds like discrimination to me!!! Ridiculous!!!!
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there is nothing worse than a moron making statements that he they know nothing about. By law, the only thing that an employer can be held accountable for is not treating a "protected class" fairly. You can be the stupidest business in the world and have a rating system that rates all the "best" sales people as the worst, fire them and no laws were broken. It isn't against the law to be stupid. If, on the other hand, if the rating system seemed to be weighted to unfairly rate, those over 40, women are minorities, low and you fire them or don't promote them, no case.

A stupid business process that screws a whole group equally and they aren't of a protected class, does't break the law.
 




The McKinsey people tell me that when they are consulted by senior management to help assess a restructure, they ultimately derive financial numbers, which they then back into from a cut perspective. One of the easiest methods of arriving to the number with the least impact is to cut the high salaried individules, which are usually older or more senior in status verses lower laid FTE's.
 




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The McKinsey people tell me that when they are consulted by senior management to help assess a restructure, they ultimately derive financial numbers, which they then back into from a cut perspective. One of the easiest methods of arriving to the number with the least impact is to cut the high salaried individules, which are usually older or more senior in status verses lower laid FTE's.
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Sure, logical but that cannot be all the criteria that is used because if it was it would be obvious when the cuts are made and there would be a lawsuit. That is why the list of the demographics of those who are laid off are published with your package. The basically provide you with the proof that there was no age or gender discrimination right along with your check.

The employers and their lawyers are WAY ahead of you.
 




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Sure, logical but that cannot be all the criteria that is used because if it was it would be obvious when the cuts are made and there would be a lawsuit. That is why the list of the demographics of those who are laid off are published with your package. The basically provide you with the proof that there was no age or gender discrimination right along with your check.

The employers and their lawyers are WAY ahead of you.
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That's the point dope! The MAJORITY are Executive sales consultants age 38-48...higher payed and more tenured (older) reps. They published it all right and its a joke!!
 




Anonymous said:
Anyone take a look at the severance package where is shows the positions that were let go and the age?!! Isn't it unbelievable how the MAJORITY of those let go were in the 38-48 age range and ALL EXECUTIVE SALES CONSULTANTS!!! Hmmm cant get a 3 on Values and Behaviors but yet they use that to determine who stays and who goes. Sounds like discrimination to me!!! Ridiculous!!!!
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So, after the 2012 layoffs, the majority of people that were left here were tenured, myself included with 10 years with the company. And after this round, I'm in my mid 40s, and an Executive Sales Consultant...and I'm still here... I have a job lined up, because I figured I'd be gone and voilà I'm still here... But will leave in March after I receive my well-deserved already earned bonus.

Our area pieces together 3 areas...6 of the remaining 7 in our area that are all Executive Sales Consultants. 2 are in their 50s, 3 that are in their mid 40s, and 2 in their late 30s... We are all they have left... There didn't need to be a rhyme or reason, rarely are you seeing brand new-to-pharma reps... We are the only ones they can layoff... Next stop? September layoffs... Don't wait around for it guys...

We lost the lower dose patent challenge, and will only have Exelon Patch 13.3 till August... If you want to stay in the industry, leave while you "are in a position of strength" as the fearless leaders kept reiterating these words during the first wave of conference calls on the announcement of layoffs. Strength my ass... More like greed...

Who ever heard of such a huge company not being able to buy something? They're being greedy, they probably are requiring too much out of the "deal" hence no one wants to partner with Novartis.

It's the end of an era...and Novartis has given up on Primary Care...and other companies have followed suit...

Sorry the wine is talking now...
 








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So, after the 2012 layoffs, the majority of people that were left here were tenured, myself included with 10 years with the company. And after this round, I'm in my mid 40s, and an Executive Sales Consultant...and I'm still here... I have a job lined up, because I figured I'd be gone and voilà I'm still here... But will leave in March after I receive my well-deserved already earned bonus.

Our area pieces together 3 areas...6 of the remaining 7 in our area that are all Executive Sales Consultants. 2 are in their 50s, 3 that are in their mid 40s, and 2 in their late 30s... We are all they have left... There didn't need to be a rhyme or reason, rarely are you seeing brand new-to-pharma reps... We are the only ones they can layoff... Next stop? September layoffs... Don't wait around for it guys...

We lost the lower dose patent challenge, and will only have Exelon Patch 13.3 till August... If you want to stay in the industry, leave while you "are in a position of strength" as the fearless leaders kept reiterating these words during the first wave of conference calls on the announcement of layoffs. Strength my ass... More like greed...

Who ever heard of such a huge company not being able to buy something? They're being greedy, they probably are requiring too much out of the "deal" hence no one wants to partner with Novartis.

It's the end of an era...and Novartis has given up on Primary Care...and other companies have followed suit...

Sorry the wine is talking now...
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Did Novartis seriously lose the lawsuit already on the Patch lower doses?!?! Holy crap!!!
 




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Did Novartis seriously lose the lawsuit already on the Patch lower doses?!?! Holy crap!!!
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Not sure about if and when...but read this...

http://alzheimers.emedtv.com/exelon/generic-exelon.html

"When Will Generic Exelon Patches or Solution Be Available?
The first patent for Exelon patches expired in August 2012. However, generic versions are not yet available. This strongly suggests that other patents or exclusivity rights are still providing significant protection against generic competition. The next patent set to expire will do so in February 2014. This is the earliest predictable date that a generic version of the drug could become available.

However, other circumstances could come up to extend or shorten the exclusivity period. This could include such things as other patents for specific Exelon uses or lawsuits.

It is difficult to predict exactly when generic Exelon solution will become available. Since it is covered by the same patents as Exelon capsules, which are already available in generic form, it appears that there is nothing stopping generic manufacturers from making generic Exelon solution."
 




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Not sure about if and when...but read this...

http://alzheimers.emedtv.com/exelon/generic-exelon.html

"When Will Generic Exelon Patches or Solution Be Available?
The first patent for Exelon patches expired in August 2012. However, generic versions are not yet available. This strongly suggests that other patents or exclusivity rights are still providing significant protection against generic competition. The next patent set to expire will do so in February 2014. This is the earliest predictable date that a generic version of the drug could become available.

However, other circumstances could come up to extend or shorten the exclusivity period. This could include such things as other patents for specific Exelon uses or lawsuits.

It is difficult to predict exactly when generic Exelon solution will become available. Since it is covered by the same patents as Exelon capsules, which are already available in generic form, it appears that there is nothing stopping generic manufacturers from making generic Exelon solution."
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Interesting when you enter the patent # how many companies are challenging the patent... There will more than likely come a time that the cost for litigation may outweigh the profits of Exelon Patch...
 




Anonymous said:
Sure, logical but that cannot be all the criteria that is used because if it was it would be obvious when the cuts are made and there would be a lawsuit. That is why the list of the demographics of those who are laid off are published with your package. The basically provide you with the proof that there was no age or gender discrimination right along with your check.

The employers and their lawyers are WAY ahead of you.
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They are required by the Older Workers Act to provide that information. It still does not mean that in certain areas there is not discrimination. Of course NVS and their lawyers were way ahead of Velez. That lawsuit started because of how they treated 12 ladies.
 








I am over 45 and have been going to a MD for depression since the "bloodbath"! I don't know how I am going to keep things going - house, tuition, food, car, etc.!! My manager was a real dick in telling me about the reductions! I should have slammed his pinhead into the wall arrogant little fu**er!! I am hoping my meds start to help me because I am lost and pissed!! How are others dealing with this big pile of sh*t!
 




Anonymous said:
I am over 45 and have been going to a MD for depression since the "bloodbath"! I don't know how I am going to keep things going - house, tuition, food, car, etc.!! My manager was a real dick in telling me about the reductions! I should have slammed his pinhead into the wall arrogant little fu**er!! I am hoping my meds start to help me because I am lost and pissed!! How are others dealing with this big pile of sh*t!
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Geezuz, grow a sack.
 




Anonymous said:
I am over 45 and have been going to a MD for depression since the "bloodbath"! I don't know how I am going to keep things going - house, tuition, food, car, etc.!! My manager was a real dick in telling me about the reductions! I should have slammed his pinhead into the wall arrogant little fu**er!! I am hoping my meds start to help me because I am lost and pissed!! How are others dealing with this big pile of sh*t!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gO7uemm6Yo
 




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