Finally my two cents about the future of this company

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Anonymous said:
This is exactly right - good and accurate post. Age is not the issue; it is all about experience. Unfortunately, it normally coincides with age so young people get trashed but if you're in your late 20's or early 30's and have 8-10 years in the field, you could be an excellent manager.
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cotto, hard and dill on that wrap - siisy boy!
 






Anonymous said:
Firstly, there is rampant ageism on this website. I'm a 20-something rep and could absolutely take over a DM role right now. Just because you are a certain age, does not make you unqualified. I agree that you need sales experience to have a DM job but you could have 6 or 7 years of experience by the time you are 29...that is not enough?

Secondly, President's Club sales reps do not make President's Club DMs. What this and other industries continue to fail to realize is that by solely promoting people with good (or great) sales numbers, you are missing out on the most crucial aspect of being a manager - leadership. Its not the age or the sales experience that's missing - its this #1 quality leadership that many of the Forest DMs lack.

If Forest gave more incentive to Presidents Club reps to continue on as reps and promoted true leaders (not just sales performers), we would be in a lot better situation.
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This is a brilliant post and every part of it is right on the money. I'm middle aged and been in B2B sales for over 25 years and couldn't agree more with this young buck. All I can say is Forest senior management needs to read this and start acting on it.

Good job kid!! If I could promote you, I would; in a heart beat!
 






Anonymous said:
And your pissed off because those are the people who are being promoted past you? As you sit and sulk they are taking advantage of a opportunity. If it does not work out, they go back as a rep with a nice base salary or go somewhere else. While you are stuck as a rep who people just dont understand and you piss and moan at team meetings about how young and dumb your manager is. Funny thing is, you are the one who lost!
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HAHA REALLY? The only one at Forest who loses is a Forest Manager jackass. I know many managers personally, and I KNOW that they make MINIMALLY more money than they did as reps--which means--people who have been regular reps for a log time--or HOSPITAL reps in certain territories make more money than the MAJORITY of Forest managers. Most Forest managers do not make much more than 100,000. If any manager replies to this stating otherwise--they are LYING
 












I was with Forest for seven years and left for what I thought was going to be "greener pastures". After being laid off by two other pharma companies and putting up with the same BS from my managers I long for the Forest days. Just goes to prove that "you don't know what you got till you ain't got it no more"!
 






Original post is the best post I have ever read. Please take the time to read it. This is absolutely true to very last detail...and overlook the spelling and grammer...I'm sure this employee was on fire when it was written....Thank you for your honest evaluation of this crumbling company.
 












This original post...as bad as grammer may seem..which I'm sure he is on fire......clearly illustrates the culture here at Forest. I know this individual personally - and ironically after many years later there are still reps talking at POA's on how to get him back. He is long gone...but it goes to show you that if you run out the true motivators and managers that can light a fire under your sales team...and then turn on HIM and stab him right in the back...you will see the downside and lack of motivation of a sales force. Look at Sweeney's region - when did he thrive? When did he go to PC? Who was managing? It doesnt take an einstein to know who the true leaders were. Some DM's may have had "uncomforming" styles and approaches - - -but I will tell you - if I had my old DM back (who probably was pushed out anyway) I would have felt sooo positive and wanted to work for this individual. I know he cared, I know he wanted results, and I know he would do anything to help me achieve them.

I miss the days where we trust and bond with our Dm's -we fought for each other. Now it is a clear battle between sides. GET IT TOGETHER FOREST! The best motivators connect and HELP their people sell and THRIVE and come home after work satisfied and not intimidated

I don't know what my future holds, but I do know that if my old ( expenxabe) DM would to ever recruit me to work for him - I would run through walls for that man.

Thats the kind of family I want to work for.
 






I couldn't agree more! Im in S. Florida and everything that was said in the original post is more than accurate of how things are going down here. The DMs are very demotivating and negative. Im hoping with our new RD, things will turn around, because were all ready for good things down here!
 






Anonymous said:
I couldn't agree more! Im in S. Florida and everything that was said in the original post is more than accurate of how things are going down here. The DMs are very demotivating and negative. Im hoping with our new RD, things will turn around, because were all ready for good things down here!
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Anonymous said:
All u idiots are full of shit. FRX happens to be the best investment I've seen in about 5 yrs. I would stay as long as I could especially if u have options -they will be worth alot more in the next 24 months.
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Why would anyone want to stay regardless of the company being worth alot more? The business model must change and Forest needs to hire and train managers with LEADERSHIP SKILLS AND BUSINESS SKILLS, not people who are simply promoted just because they are next in line! My DM doesn't have a clue as tO how to lead a team to success. She just points her finger at everyone and scolds you like your 3. Unfortunately, she has fired several reps and reps have left. Im waiting for her to ask for tracker sheet on my daily Bowel Movements, since our team tracks everything else!
 






Anonymous said:
Firstly, there is rampant ageism on this website. I'm a 20-something rep and could absolutely take over a DM role right now. Just because you are a certain age, does not make you unqualified. I agree that you need sales experience to have a DM job but you could have 6 or 7 years of experience by the time you are 29...that is not enough?

Secondly, President's Club sales reps do not make President's Club DMs. What this and other industries continue to fail to realize is that by solely promoting people with good (or great) sales numbers, you are missing out on the most crucial aspect of being a manager - leadership. Its not the age or the sales experience that's missing - its this #1 quality leadership that many of the Forest DMs lack.

If Forest gave more incentive to Presidents Club reps to continue on as reps and promoted true leaders (not just sales performers), we would be in a lot better situation.
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100% in agreement. PC reps DO NOT MAKE GREAT DMS!
 






Yes, it's good money. But if you care about feeling good about what you're doing, this isn't the industry or company for you. I have been fortunate to work for what I consider to be great managers at FRX, but at the end of the day, I know I'm too smart for this. I know that I can buy my kids all the toys they want right now, but what kind of example am I setting if I'm just doing the job for the paycheck? Our DMs are behind the eight ball, too...do you think THEY want all of those trackers? No way! And how about the fact that FIVE of us are calling on our bigger offices? Is that really necessary with the current product line-up? We spend a lot of time trying to not trip over each other. Every member of my team works hard. They are good people with mortgages and children. But really? Is this any way to effectively do business?
 












All that is easy to say until it's your butt on the line. Perhaps you should think about how much you give, your commitment, and your loyalty in return for ???? Let's face it, it's not a game. As has been stated, if you think you're above getting targeted or the bs....you're wrong, trust me on this.
 






Anonymous said:
Yes, it's good money. But if you care about feeling good about what you're doing, this isn't the industry or company for you. I have been fortunate to work for what I consider to be great managers at FRX, but at the end of the day, I know I'm too smart for this. I know that I can buy my kids all the toys they want right now, but what kind of example am I setting if I'm just doing the job for the paycheck? Our DMs are behind the eight ball, too...do you think THEY want all of those trackers? No way! And how about the fact that FIVE of us are calling on our bigger offices? Is that really necessary with the current product line-up? We spend a lot of time trying to not trip over each other. Every member of my team works hard. They are good people with mortgages and children. But really? Is this any way to effectively do business?
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dont u get it choochoo. the fact that you are so tied to your mortgage and bills and have kids mouths to feed is all your DM and forest needs to know, it is their levage to treat you like shit. they know the reps they bully will never call bs on them as that would mean the rep would have to be proactive with having a plan b, no rep at forest is smart enough for this. they control and dictate your every move and know you cannot speak up or quit, you have bills to pay and you made a tradeoff, you get your bills semi paid and they treat you like scum. they hold your catering job over your head like it is some kind of rewarding venture when they know you are so skinless and non marketable to any other company or profession they can drag you through the mud and treat you like a fool and puppet they know no rep at forest has the sac to tell these baboons to shove their micro mang. up their wazoos. they know you are a line cook and order taker and that the thought of you leaving is a careless notion. the more who quit the better for forest.
 






Anonymous said:
dont u get it choochoo. the fact that you are so tied to your mortgage and bills and have kids mouths to feed is all your DM and forest needs to know, it is their levage to treat you like shit. they know the reps they bully will never call bs on them as that would mean the rep would have to be proactive with having a plan b, no rep at forest is smart enough for this. they control and dictate your every move and know you cannot speak up or quit, you have bills to pay and you made a tradeoff, you get your bills semi paid and they treat you like scum. they hold your catering job over your head like it is some kind of rewarding venture when they know you are so skinless and non marketable to any other company or profession they can drag you through the mud and treat you like a fool and puppet they know no rep at forest has the sac to tell these baboons to shove their micro mang. up their wazoos. they know you are a line cook and order taker and that the thought of you leaving is a careless notion. the more who quit the better for forest.
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Agree, the more reps that quit the better for Forest, they actually love the calls when the rep concedes and has to say this is just not for them and that this is not the "career" path they envisioned, if you can even call working as a food dropper and sample dropper in a cheap suit a career, that is pushing it!
 






Anonymous said:
Agree, the more reps that quit the better for Forest, they actually love the calls when the rep concedes and has to say this is just not for them and that this is not the "career" path they envisioned, if you can even call working as a food dropper and sample dropper in a cheap suit a career, that is pushing it!
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sometimes i bring in homemade treats that mother makes for me, the staff loves the brownies, cupcakes, muffins, skybars, lemon torts, french dip glaze miffs, onion sclaps too
 






I just wanted to validate the original post and varify that yes - this indvidual was on fire when this post was written. To his credit, I felt he ran business the right way, treating reps with respect as well as treating our customers like human beings and not robotic pill pushers. I never had a doctor " pull me aside" on a field ride and hear the obligatory " please Mr. rep -no more managers. This guy actually won some nice awards with Forest, and yes, maybe he could have straitened out some personal issues -but what manager can expect to drink the company kool aid forever and be kept from managing in a style they actually are comfortable with with. For example, teaching thoughout the entire field ride, interaction with docs regularly. Sending message of positive feedback and not LOC every field ride. Sure my numbers weren't always great, they we always impoving though, and certainly were my selling skills improving.

This guy got ran out several times, once even after a 2nd PC win, and then essentially was asked to leave. All because he appeard not to be following cororate culture.

He eventuallly left, sadly on his own terms from my conversations with him but is now killing in medical device sales. He is helping me to network and speak to the right people so I can make a better and more exciting career change

When rode together, must be well over a year ago - I was so motivated to really do better because I felt I had a manager that really cared about MY personal development, the the agenda coming above from RSM, ABD, etc


If you feel that Forest has gotten the best of you too, please contact back and I sure this invidual will help you extensively. It's the kind of person he is.

Our manager has not "gotten it" since he left and I'm scared of what's to come at Forest.

Please reach our to us for help.
 






Anonymous said:
I just wanted to validate the original post and varify that yes - this indvidual was on fire when this post was written. To his credit, I felt he ran business the right way, treating reps with respect as well as treating our customers like human beings and not robotic pill pushers. I never had a doctor " pull me aside" on a field ride and hear the obligatory " please Mr. rep -no more managers. This guy actually won some nice awards with Forest, and yes, maybe he could have straitened out some personal issues -but what manager can expect to drink the company kool aid forever and be kept from managing in a style they actually are comfortable with with. For example, teaching thoughout the entire field ride, interaction with docs regularly. Sending message of positive feedback and not LOC every field ride. Sure my numbers weren't always great, they we always impoving though, and certainly were my selling skills improving.

This guy got ran out several times, once even after a 2nd PC win, and then essentially was asked to leave. All because he appeard not to be following cororate culture.

He eventuallly left, sadly on his own terms from my conversations with him but is now killing in medical device sales. He is helping me to network and speak to the right people so I can make a better and more exciting career change

When rode together, must be well over a year ago - I was so motivated to really do better because I felt I had a manager that really cared about MY personal development, the the agenda coming above from RSM, ABD, etc


If you feel that Forest has gotten the best of you too, please contact back and I sure this invidual will help you extensively. It's the kind of person he is.

Our manager has not "gotten it" since he left and I'm scared of what's to come at Forest.

Please reach our to us for help.
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thanks but no thanks pappi, go sell crazy somewhere else!
 






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