that the company reads this website? which areas of the company actually get on here and read the various issues? HR? Legal? who? aside from us lowly reps and dms, does anyone really believe NVS monitors this board?
proof?
proof?
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DOES ANYONE HAVE PROOF?? MONITORING CP
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Yes, Novartis Eh does indeed monitor this board. Not only that, but someone in headquarters has as their objective the responsibility to ensure that the dissatisfaction expressed on this board is pegged to the 50th percentile of the industry.
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What exactly do you mean that they are pegging the dissatisfaction to the 50th percentile of the industry? Explain please.
I beg to differ. I think dms monitor looking for nasty things being said. But people at EH?? I doubt very much. They have enough to keep them busy. Plus, if someone that "really" mattered monitored this board they would see the legal repercussions that could surface. Then some things would be changed. Thats my opinion. I do believe that dms, and maybe even rds monitor occassionally trolling for reps that may be doing shady things.
yeah but what proof is there that higher ups like EH monitor this board? Aside from the reps/dms/rds that may periodically mention issues that arise on here? no one really knows or has facts that it is being monitored by EH.
HR and legal would never waste their time looking on here.
agreed. if anyone thinks anyone from the company is monitoring this board (aside from us reps/dms) then that is wishful thinking. The company DOES NOT CARE WHAT WE BITCH ABOUT ON HERE nor will they ever change anything. They do not care what we say or how much we all bitch- therefore this board is null and void and they could care less. will not waste their time...
legal?? ha! they are to busy fighting the suits against the company. They have no reason to get on this site-the legal dept. only us miserable reps get on here to taunt and bitch. I thought it was a hoot when the drama started over the company possibly being able to get a court order for computers to see whos on here- THEY WOULD NEVER NOR DO THEY CARE
If Congress monitors the activity here,
http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/congress-to-probe-vytorin-chatter-on-cafepharma/
you can be certain that NVS has at least one person looking at this site on a regular basis! Luckily, for us, it is anonymous and CP will not release any info since it's not recorded.
http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/02/congress-to-probe-vytorin-chatter-on-cafepharma/
you can be certain that NVS has at least one person looking at this site on a regular basis! Luckily, for us, it is anonymous and CP will not release any info since it's not recorded.
You are wrong. The company does spend time looking at what is said. Last year, it was in our slide deck that reps were upset at the realignment, and other topics. It was referenced from "Cafepharma.com" Did you ever wonder why you can't access CP on your work computer? They know info is mentioned on this website.. Now, those in top positions w/in NVS don't look, but people w/in org are...
Do you want them or don't you want them? It is hard to be sure 100% but most likely they do in some ways. Besides they were sent several of top visiting posts, like WBers unite, BPO, Payback time, Their sins.. and few others. We want them to look at these. the best proof would be if they reacted in some way. They did not and would not break their silence and omerta for anything that is exposed here.
For instance one was challanging them to renegotiate the deal they fucked him with or press, feds, courts of law would be involved. Nothing ,they we are sure know who the person is but nothing. In the meantime the case is going forward and in the end if successful it would cost them most likely in millions instead few hundredthousands. Plus PR damage will be unbeliavable. They will not be able to get a cleaning lady to go to their meetings and take their bribes let alone doctors of any reputation. They still think they are untouchable. They are not. And anyone going after them has a chance if done properly. So do it.
Also we exchanged few e-mails with Dr. P.Rost, when we exposed some shit re Novartis there. He told us that everyday large number of Novartis head offices computers were looking at his blog. He had a way to tell it. That is a good proof.
Also we noticed the other day that during "selling" hours WBers unite post was visited over 25 times in less then an hour. Who do you think that was? Office types. Who does it. For sure BPO and HR with specific persons plus all of them.
Now if you want to forward some of the posts, two good places:
business.practicesofficer@novartis.com - this will take it to Basel and world BPO. And mark.hennion@novartis.com - this will take it to EH BPO.
That is yur answer: they are watching but they will not react. OMERTA is their word just like any other mafia. Capicce.
At a Regional DPM the regional bought up this site ( to the entire region) & a particular post that bugged the home office , pertaining to a rep's discomfort with 'buying the biz' & other shady biz practices
I was at EH for a special assignment in December 07.
I was having problems with my computer and my optima machine.
I went directly to IT and they tried, with no success, to fix my problem.
While I was there one of the IT guys asked if I ever visit a website called cafepharma.
I said no(lie), but asked why did he ask. He said that corp wanted a list by 1/1/08 of exactly who and when visited this site on their company computer. When I asked why, he said he had no idea, but he said EH was in a rush to extract the information.
I asked him if he could get that information easily, and he just laughed and said "What do YOU think?", with a wry smile.
You want proof, I ask you then, Why would corp want this info if they were not monitering this site?
If you think for a second that nvs is not on here 24/7, then I have some swamp land in fla. I would like to sell you.
You mean "brought up" this site, not bought like in buying it? What was the title of the site? Some major posts have disappeared from the Novartis board. BPO, Their Sins... these threads must have been the most "bugging" to the home office both in EH and Basel. They exposed some of the nastiest things this Co does. Why did thise threads disappear? Someone already asked the CP and so far no answers. I went into Their sins from my history and it said the tread was no longer availabe. Why? we have some threads that are 3 years old and so on. Is it possible that Novartis has approached Cp and did something like pay them off or threatened them?
I say something is terribly wrong here. Novartis might have decided to "clean up" the CP one way or another. Only the usual non-threateneing BS maybe allowed so no security risk to the Co. The WBers might have to learn things important to them somewhere else. Watch the most visited one WBers unite... disappear soon. And any that are too revealing as far as this nasty Co is concerned. One more reason to fight them anywhere and anytime. I am.
Uh correct , I am sorry to imply that they purchased the site .
I do not remember the thread. This was several years ago during a general session with several hundred reps.
Basically as stated, a rep indicated his guilt ( as in guilty conscience )
at the many underhanded tactics he or she may have been using to "grow the business ".
Point being that the post made it to the upper echelons of EH.
This was during supposedly better times.
If Corp was that interested years ago , I could only imagine how obsessed management is in today's climate.
I would be more interested in how certain threads managed to get pulled.
Is someone actually complaining/emailing/ phoning ????
We'll see what the Cp will say if anything. They are the only one who can pull the thread. The BPO thread exposed the way BPO operates and many commented re the same and also how to handle it and so on. For sure the BPO in Basel or EH did not appreciate their unmasking. Their Sins worldwide.. exposed some of the nastiests misconust done by few affiliates including, fraud, bribery, offlabel, you name it. That too must have bugged them and it is no longer here. So let's see what you have to say CP?
has cp posts/ threads ever been used in court? or by a lawyer?
first of all, someone mentioned earlier that 'since these posts are anonymous....'
be certain, people, that nothing that takes place on the internet is anonymous. everytime you post something your ip address is linked to it. should a slander suit or God knows what else arise, it would take about 15 seconds to know who posted it.
be certain, people, that nothing that takes place on the internet is anonymous. everytime you post something your ip address is linked to it. should a slander suit or God knows what else arise, it would take about 15 seconds to know who posted it.
WRONG TROLL!
CafePharma Won’t Give Congress Vytorin Posts
February 13th, 2008 12:00 am By Ed Silverman
The website where detailers love to dish last night posted a message of its own telling the House Energy & Commerce Committee ‘thanks, but no thanks.’ You may recall that, earlier this week, the committee widened its probe yet again into the way Merck and Schering-Plough handled the controversial Enhance trial of their Vytorin cholesterol pill and, as part of their investigation, sought info on some intriguing threads that showed up several months ago on CafePharma.
Those threads, which you can look at here, appeared to contain remarkably similar info to what eventually became known months later. Like nearly every post on CafePharma, however, the threads are entirely anonymous. So the commmittee wrote the site and asked for names, addresses, phone numbers, and e-mail and Internet provider addresses of anyone who posted about the Vytorin Enhance trial, setting off some anxiety among the gossipy visitors.
So last night, CafePharma webmaster Sarah Palmer posted a note to calm their nerves: “We’ve been getting a lot of questions about the Congressional Committee’s request. We will not have any user information to provide related to anonymous posts, since we have not recorded any such information. At this point, we do not believe that there will be any relevant posts related to registered users.”
- cafead Feb 25, 2008 at 07:30: PM
This is not necessarily true, and it is not true in our case. Per our policies, we do not record IP addresses with anonymous posts.