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Few points in response to this poster, and a question for Endodoc:
First, remember when George Morrow stated that Nursing Homes were full of patients with hip fractures....whatever the reason. Maybe why that is one of the reasons GM is now a Consultant. Nursing Homes are not full of patients like this to ever make a difference in DMab sales, and these places would NEVER pay for DMAB for a once every 6 month injection, and MD's would make no money since the injections would need to be given there. We don't even have reps that know anything about Nursing Homes and the reimbursement challenges, so how can we address this market anyway.
Second, for the Endodoc, I thought your post was terrific. Unfortunately, Amgen has become a very unhappy place to work for many. As an MD, I am sure you would not like being micromanaged to death, being tracked about where you are every half hour of the day (by some of the more insecure Managers), and so on, but that is our fate many days. The fact that the DMab marketing strategy was loaded with incorrect assertions and overblown sales targets by the Ivory Tower folks that live and work out of Thousand Oaks doesn't help and now they want to blame the sales force for their ineptitude for not having the uptake be quicker. Amgen has great science, but not great Business Minds. In this day and age, you need the latter every bit as much as the former.
Lastly, for the Endodoc, Cafepharma has become a sort of gathering place for the unhappy folks to feel safe to vent their frustrations. When a company is doing well, you will not see many posts on their Message Board. When you see alot of activity, you can be well assured that the great majority of posts/responses will be slanted towards the negative.
I, for one, thought your post was one of the most informative I have seen in a long time. However, just be aware that most Amgenites like myself are fed up being treated like children despite many, many reps in the field being more experienced than their Managers are, than our Home Office is, and are looking at alternatives to get away from Amgen, and in some cases outside this dying industry....
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Unreal, I never said that the patients in nursing homes would be enough to create a blockbuster for Prolia, my point was that, if it is indeed all about the patient, then ANY patient in a nursing home for an avoidable reason is a shame. If a patient has been put on alendrenate for 5 years with a stable BMD most docs view that as a success; however a 65 year old with a 2.9 is MUCH worse than a 55 year old with a 2.9. This drug can help many patients like this, and the data supports my assertions...clearly.
To the endo doc I say this, you ping pong patients back and forth between bisphosphonates, citing Reclast and its advantages. I think you and your colleagues cannot have it both ways. You whine that you don't want to talk to sales reps and their "me too" drugs that lack innovation. Now Amgen has brought you something truly innovative and you run back to that which you are comfortable. You have patients, more than you are willing to acknowledge, who need this drug. In time you will see that Amgen is on the right side of this argument.
Good luck to you.