Difference between Novolog v Humalog?

[?Novo Nordisk employee]

Interviewing for a position in Wyoming and I just cant figure out what the diff is between these two products? Done a lot of research and the only thing I can find so far is that Novolog works a little faster? What are thier selling messages to get business from physicians using Humalog? I see it as a case by case basis based on the pts co-morbidity, but I really dont know what I'm getting myself into w selling Novalog if I get the position. Any scientific help would be great, and no slamming please!

 

[Anonymous]

Interviewing for a position in Wyoming and I just cant figure out what the diff is between these two products? Done a lot of research and the only thing I can find so far is that Novolog works a little faster? What are thier selling messages to get business from physicians using Humalog? I see it as a case by case basis based on the pts co-morbidity, but I really dont know what I'm getting myself into w selling Novalog if I get the position. Any scientific help would be great, and no slamming please!

Synthetic. More stable in insulin pumps. Better chance of an erection. Known around the endocrinology offices as "Dr. Porkenheimer's Boner Juice".

Don't worry about Novolog. You should worry about Dictoza. That's what they want you selling.

 

[Anonymous]

Interviewing for a position in Wyoming and I just cant figure out what the diff is between these two products? Done a lot of research and the only thing I can find so far is that Novolog works a little faster? What are thier selling messages to get business from physicians using Humalog? I see it as a case by case basis based on the pts co-morbidity, but I really dont know what I'm getting myself into w selling Novalog if I get the position. Any scientific help would be great, and no slamming please!

novo log has a 10 min peak window....Lilly's peak window is longer

Lower iGF 1 affinity

Covered on over 90 percent of managed care

#1 selling rapid act in the world

Novo has one of the best patient assistant programs (Lilly doesn't cover diabetic meds on theirs) this may have changed so check....

Lilly used our studies to get age indications, we did the research, they used our clinical data. (for age indications and time allowed in pump res.)

Study shows better post dinner blood sugars in pumps, usually the biggest meal of the day.

More pede patients reached goal vs humalog while using less insulin and lower hypo rates.

Needles in our samples

Whenever Apidra does a direct comparison study, it's always against humalog and not novo log...why is that?

Not all game changers, but they add up! Good luck!

I loved selling novolog!

 

[Anonymous]

Interviewing for a position in Wyoming and I just cant figure out what the diff is between these two products? Done a lot of research and the only thing I can find so far is that Novolog works a little faster? What are thier selling messages to get business from physicians using Humalog? I see it as a case by case basis based on the pts co-morbidity, but I really dont know what I'm getting myself into w selling Novalog if I get the position. Any scientific help would be great, and no slamming please!

If you want to get really scientific NovoLog is produced in eukaryotic culture (using yeast) rather than using E-Coli bacteria (all Lilly and S-A insulins)

A lot of the percieved differences are anecdotal, I had a lot of customers back in the day saying Humalog was very quick acting but often seemed to "run out" before all of the post-prandial glucose was absorbed. I don't think this was ever proven in trials though.

Novo pen devices/needles are also miles better than the competition.

Another point is that Lilly don't have a basal analogue and hence can't provide a full basal-bolus package.

Novolog won out with lots of minor benefits rather than a "killer app" to nick terminology from IT.

 

[Anonymous]

If you want to get really scientific NovoLog is produced in eukaryotic culture (using yeast) rather than using E-Coli bacteria (all Lilly and S-A insulins)

A lot of the percieved differences are anecdotal, I had a lot of customers back in the day saying Humalog was very quick acting but often seemed to "run out" before all of the post-prandial glucose was absorbed. I don't think this was ever proven in trials though.

Novo pen devices/needles are also miles better than the competition.

Another point is that Lilly don't have a basal analogue and hence can't provide a full basal-bolus package.

Novolog won out with lots of minor benefits rather than a "killer app" to nick terminology from IT.

NL also has been studied and licensed for nearly every minority group, paeds/ pregnancy/ elderly/ pumps etc.

 

[Anonymous]

Someone has been drinking the Kool-Aid! Ask any endo and they will tell you there is no clinical difference in practice between any of the RAIs. All devices are easy to use and all companies provide patient assistance, vouchers, etc. Formulary coverage--hospital and managed care--are the keys! Sell yourself and good-luck!

 

[Anonymous]

Someone has been drinking the Kool-Aid! Ask any endo and they will tell you there is no clinical difference in practice between any of the RAIs. All devices are easy to use and all companies provide patient assistance, vouchers, etc. Formulary coverage--hospital and managed care--are the keys! Sell yourself and good-luck!

Glass half empty much?

 

[Anonymous]

Someone has been drinking the Kool-Aid! Ask any endo and they will tell you there is no clinical difference in practice between any of the RAIs. All devices are easy to use and all companies provide patient assistance, vouchers, etc. Formulary coverage--hospital and managed care--are the keys! Sell yourself and good-luck!

Must be why Novolog sales are going up and Humalog sales are going down. Thanks for your worthless advice!

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the help..

 

[Anonymous]

Must be why Novolog sales are going up and Humalog sales are going down. Thanks for your worthless advice!

Hmmm... Not in my area buddy. Humalog is kicking Novolog to the curb

 

[Anonymous]

novo log has a 10 min peak window....Lilly's peak window is longer

Lower iGF 1 affinity

Covered on over 90 percent of managed care

#1 selling rapid act in the world

Novo has one of the best patient assistant programs (Lilly doesn't cover diabetic meds on theirs) this may have changed so check....

Lilly used our studies to get age indications, we did the research, they used our clinical data. (for age indications and time allowed in pump res.)

Study shows better post dinner blood sugars in pumps, usually the biggest meal of the day.

More pede patients reached goal vs humalog while using less insulin and lower hypo rates.

Needles in our samples

Whenever Apidra does a direct comparison study, it's always against humalog and not novo log...why is that?

Not all game changers, but they add up! Good luck!

I loved selling novolog!

1) The peak window time means asolutely nothing in clinical practice---just ask any doctor including physicians employed by Novo

2) Lower IGF-1 affinity doesn't mean anything

3) Better in pumps.....very true, but how many PCP's have patients on pumps?

4) Another poster said Humalog is made with E-Coli and Novolog with baker's yeast.....true, but again absolutely no clinical advantage to this

In essence, the two are the same. A game of smoke and mirrors.

 

[Anonymous]

Hmmm... Not in my area buddy. Humalog is kicking Novolog to the curb

Wow, what will we do? Humalog is winning in 1 territory in the country!!!! Oh my gosh!!!

 

[Anonymous]

Glass half empty much?

Why does it have to been empty or full?? Its just half a glass.

 

[Anonymous]

Wow, what will we do? Humalog is winning in 1 territory in the country!!!! Oh my gosh!!!

Must be wonderful to know what the entire nation is doing for insulin business in both companies. Why on earth would you have extra time to be on a gossip board? Oh that's right ...
You are a rep... A nobody like the rest of us....

 

[Anonymous]

Must be wonderful to know what the entire nation is doing for insulin business in both companies. Why on earth would you have extra time to be on a gossip board? Oh that's right ...
You are a rep... A nobody like the rest of us....

Don't try to drag me into your self-pity party. I don't define myself by my job.

 

[Anonymous]

Someone has been drinking the Kool-Aid! Ask any endo and they will tell you there is no clinical difference in practice between any of the RAIs. All devices are easy to use and all companies provide patient assistance, vouchers, etc. Formulary coverage--hospital and managed care--are the keys! Sell yourself and good-luck!

look up "anecdotal" in a dictionary.

 

[Anonymous]

Since Novolog is yeast derived, it causes allergic reactions in patients with mold allergies that Humalog doesn't cause.

known side effects include itching, irritation and swelling at the injection site when used in a pump on sensitive patients. I suspect it is also a reason for early insulin resistance in patients.

 

[Anonymous]

Interviewing for a position in Wyoming and I just cant figure out what the diff is between these two products? Done a lot of research and the only thing I can find so far is that Novolog works a little faster? What are thier selling messages to get business from physicians using Humalog? I see it as a case by case basis based on the pts co-morbidity, but I really dont know what I'm getting myself into w selling Novalog if I get the position. Any scientific help would be great, and no slamming please!

There is no significant clinical difference between Novolog and Humalog.

 

[Anonymous]

There is no significant clinical difference between Novolog and Humalog.

From a pharmacist's perspective they are interchangeable. They are equally potent. The Humalog comes in mini-vials specially designed for pumps. Humalog is good for an extra day in the reservoir.

Don't believe the hype. Nobody is going to do a prior approval to switch novolog to humalog.

 

[Anonymous]

Someone has been drinking the Kool-Aid! Ask any endo and they will tell you there is no clinical difference in practice between any of the RAIs. All devices are easy to use and all companies provide patient assistance, vouchers, etc. Formulary coverage--hospital and managed care--are the keys! Sell yourself and good-luck!

This.

As a new hire, you will try to detail the studies you have learned showing a supposed superiority with Novo, or try to scare the practice with the 'e coli bacteria' spiel. This only makes you look bad. Humalog and Novolog are essentially the same, remember that. The difference is you, your service and treatment of the office, formulary coverage, patient ed materials and assistance programs.