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Have you been terminated or resigned while on a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP)? We want to hear your story. I was put on a plan last year and I knew I was being manged out. I did leave and went with a competitor and life is much better. However, I have been told I am entitled to a severance package from Quest, due to the extended years with the company and what was done to me was done to many other people. It was out of control in the Central Region under Tom's reign and now I hear it's happening in the East as well. So if you are on a PIP, resigned on a PIP, or were terminated on a PIP, you may be entitled to severed compensation. Please tell your story and if you know someone, let them know of this thread, it will be helpful to any one in this situation. More to come.
 






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Have you been terminated or resigned while on a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP)? We want to hear your story. I was put on a plan last year and I knew I was being manged out. I did leave and went with a competitor and life is much better. However, I have been told I am entitled to a severance package from Quest, due to the extended years with the company and what was done to me was done to many other people. It was out of control in the Central Region under Tom's reign and now I hear it's happening in the East as well. So if you are on a PIP, resigned on a PIP, or were terminated on a PIP, you may be entitled to severed compensation. Please tell your story and if you know someone, let them know of this thread, it will be helpful to any one in this situation. More to come.
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I haven't heard about a severence compensation but you should be able to collect unemployment if you were terminated. If you leave on your own accord, and looking to collect a severence, you might want to talk with a lawyer.
 






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I haven't heard about a severence compensation but you should be able to collect unemployment if you were terminated. If you leave on your own accord, and looking to collect a severence, you might want to talk with a lawyer.
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sounds like he/she already has talked to a lawyer and they're trying to get some people together for a class action suit. Also sounds like some bad legal advice. The defense will say, you left the company of your own accord and you say you're in a better position now. Where's the damage?
 






I was terminated last year after being put on a PIP. I was with the company for 12 years and had never had a bad review and my numbers were strong until the UHC debacle. My performance plan was not followed at all and I was never contacted by my manager until I was put on 30 days, which dragged out for 54 days. After reading the post this morning I did contact my lawyer and was told that a class action suit based on the number of similar details is a possibility. Is their a suite and how would I get in touch with the appropriate people. He did say that the laws may be different in different states. I was treated poorly after many years of service and what was communicated as an action plan was not followed. I did my job right up until the last day and have the documentation to prove it. It was a witch hunt to get rid of seasoned reps and bring in younger hungry pharma reps. My replacement lasted 7 months and was gone.
 






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I was terminated last year after being put on a PIP. I was with the company for 12 years and had never had a bad review and my numbers were strong until the UHC debacle. My performance plan was not followed at all and I was never contacted by my manager until I was put on 30 days, which dragged out for 54 days. After reading the post this morning I did contact my lawyer and was told that a class action suit based on the number of similar details is a possibility. Is their a suite and how would I get in touch with the appropriate people. He did say that the laws may be different in different states. I was treated poorly after many years of service and what was communicated as an action plan was not followed. I did my job right up until the last day and have the documentation to prove it. It was a witch hunt to get rid of seasoned reps and bring in younger hungry pharma reps. My replacement lasted 7 months and was gone.
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7 months he/she was long term! We have had 3 former Pharma reps accept a job and leave quickly. One was 3 months (she was really good and would have made a great rep but she got an offer that more than doubled her base pay and she left. Go figure no loyalty), one lasted 2 weeks and decided that there was way too much effort involved for the compensation, and the other rep resigned the day they were supposed to start.
 






Unfortunately the company used the pharma metrics for the scorecards. What the company didn't realize is that pharma companies don't put people on plans based on 1 of these reviews. They use them for raises. I believe the company has stopped these witch hunts. In fact there is a firing freeze. They got rid of lots of good reps based on these ridiculous metrics. My hope is that that T.S. from the East is gone next. JN and TS put this crap together and they have a sales force that is not making money and is demotivated. They have turned over half the sales force in a year. Most of the pharma reps they hired the last year are either looking or gone.
 






Wow - way to exaggerate the facts. 50% of the sales force has not turned over in the past year. 50% of the sales force was not fired because of the metrics. By the way, metrics are used by most large companies to evaluate their sales forces - it is not just quota attainment. The metrics are not the reason you are not making quota so don't blame that on everyone else. The reality is we lost the UHC contract several years back so you can't blame that on TS and JN. Blame that on BP and SM. Since that loss and the loss of Horizon - BP and SM again - we had been seeing errosion of req volume. That is why we aren't making money. If you want to blame high quota's look at SM again as he is the one who gives out the numbers. One last comment we are still using the same metrics and process to evaluate reps so I guess we should blame Wayne and HR for that. Hmmm, maybe you have been blaming the wrong people all along.
 






I now work for a competitor after many years of working at Quest. Many of the reps who were fired or just quit are now at competitor labs and it is very evident to the customers. Many of us do not have a problem telling our customers how we were treated and how our loyalty, dedication and commitment to grow the business year after year means nothing to upper management. You gave away some of the most respected and seasoned reps in the industry. I do have Quest to thank for that! The Seimans crowd has done absolutely nothing for the business and who ever is left, will be gone soon. What I really find amazing is that the Board of Directors have tolerated this disaster and Surya!
 






I have been with Quest for years and won numerous Best of Quest. The TOP reps are still here. You sound like a rep who was asked to produce and couldn't cut it. So good, you are with another lab and happy- then why are you on Cafepharma.

Name the Top 5 reps that left. Exactly - you won't because they didn't.
 






You were managed out? Are you kidding grow a set hit your numbers, this is sales not the boy scouts. Blah blah blah Iyou are entitled to nothing and you will like it weak ASS
 






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I have been with Quest for years and won numerous Best of Quest. The TOP reps are still here. You sound like a rep who was asked to produce and couldn't cut it. So good, you are with another lab and happy- then why are you on Cafepharma.

Name the Top 5 reps that left. Exactly - you won't because they didn't.
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I HAD won numerous awards with Quest, I was a top Rep and I did leave!! They were squeezing me out, my base was to high, I was over 50 and the region had to cut costs. The best thing I did was to leave the industry, Quest has not been a Sales friendly company since 2003. They will do anything they can NOT to pay sales reps. I wish all of good luck and their is a GOOD life after Quest.
 
























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you want names of good reps..no great reps..how about HS,PC,KG,RD,DS..they at least knew the business unlike the new pharma reps Quest is hiring these days..
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LOL..... "they at least knew the business unlike the new pharma reps".....

yes, because selling clinical is SOOOO difficult to learn... priceless
 






there is a huge difference in selling lab compared to any thing else. You do have to understand the complexity of the business. Can it be learned, yes, but not in 4 weeks training or 2 yrs on the job. There is so much more to the lab business - there is much more servicing than with other health care industries.
 






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I was terminated last year after being put on a PIP. I was with the company for 12 years and had never had a bad review and my numbers were strong until the UHC debacle. My performance plan was not followed at all and I was never contacted by my manager until I was put on 30 days, which dragged out for 54 days. After reading the post this morning I did contact my lawyer and was told that a class action suit based on the number of similar details is a possibility. Is their a suite and how would I get in touch with the appropriate people. He did say that the laws may be different in different states. I was treated poorly after many years of service and what was communicated as an action plan was not followed. I did my job right up until the last day and have the documentation to prove it. It was a witch hunt to get rid of seasoned reps and bring in younger hungry pharma reps. My replacement lasted 7 months and was gone.
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The UHC debacle was back in 2006 or 2007, so if you were strong up until then, you haven't been making your numbers for nearly 3 years. I didn't agree with everything JN did while there, but expecting people to actually sell was something I was all for. Too often I met up with reps in the field who had no idea how to sell and would just leave information at the front desk hoping that someone would order. How can you have documentation showing you did a great job if you were put on a performance plan? I swear, sometimes you really should think about what you post
 






Anonymous said:
Have you been terminated or resigned while on a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP)? We want to hear your story. I was put on a plan last year and I knew I was being manged out. I did leave and went with a competitor and life is much better. However, I have been told I am entitled to a severance package from Quest, due to the extended years with the company and what was done to me was done to many other people. It was out of control in the Central Region under Tom's reign and now I hear it's happening in the East as well. So if you are on a PIP, resigned on a PIP, or were terminated on a PIP, you may be entitled to severed compensation. Please tell your story and if you know someone, let them know of this thread, it will be helpful to any one in this situation. More to come.
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If you quit, you quit. Unless you quit do to management harassment, there should be no severance and you have no grounds for a lawsuit. By the way, harassment doesn't include them expecting you to do your job.
 






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7 months he/she was long term! We have had 3 former Pharma reps accept a job and leave quickly. One was 3 months (she was really good and would have made a great rep but she got an offer that more than doubled her base pay and she left. Go figure no loyalty), one lasted 2 weeks and decided that there was way too much effort involved for the compensation, and the other rep resigned the day they were supposed to start.
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someone has the opportunity to double their salary and you say "no loyalty". How about we cut your salary in 1/2...would you stay on out of loyalty?
 






Anonymous said:
there is a huge difference in selling lab compared to any thing else. You do have to understand the complexity of the business. Can it be learned, yes, but not in 4 weeks training or 2 yrs on the job. There is so much more to the lab business - there is much more servicing than with other health care industries.
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Having worked for Quest, I find this post hilarious. I have yet to meet one rep who understand the complexity of the business. Many of them can quote what HITS tests are or are not on their health plans, but they do not understand the lab business, nor do they understand lab testing. Also, if I hear about how much servicing the customer there is, I'm going to vomit. Most reps I dealt with would lead off their sales call with a comment like "So, how has everything been? Have you had any problems with Quest?" Then they complain that they walk out of the office with a list of petty to dos that would never have come up if they didn't ask about problems. Work for a real sales company and you will see. Even the so called best reps at Quest couldn't land in the top 50% in a real healthcare company.
 






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