DEI (&B)

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anonymous said:
They have found that companies are making bad hires to check the DEI&B box. The person that is best for the job doesn’t fit the DEI&B qualifications so they hire someone else that is not as good just to fit DEI&B.
So many companies are stopping that requirement as it is hurting their bottom line to invest in training new employees that are not going to succeed when they could have just hired the right fit.
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It is so disappointing when Black leadership shows off their DEI & B status on social media like a bragging 5 yr/old child.

Why Can black leadership point out the numbers of African Americans on stage at a company town hall and it be ok?
Why are they able to flaunt their black privilege?
Seems like they are solving racism with more racism.
 






anonymous said:
Attention to All: There is so much to unpack in this thread.

For the original post #1: Yes, there has definitely been a drop in the number of DEI related offerings due to the many complaints (outward and behind the scenes) of those that just either don't agree or don't quite understand the purpose.

#3/4/8/10: I agree. I have worked for some extremely incompetent white males who in no way should be in the positions that they are in right now. By the same token, I've worked for some incompetent white females and non-white males as well. The best person for the job should definitely get the job. The purpose of DEI was not to "take" jobs from the qualified and give to the unqualified. It was to ensure that there was an even playing field to compete for such jobs. Sometimes DEI candidates aren't even given the opportunity to interview let alone be offered a well deserved and well qualified job. In many cases, they are even over qualified.

#5/6/7: Please refrain from grouping DEI as "left-ist" ideals or "woke-ism". Those are just buzz words used on the right to confuse the masses. It's a big misconception but I must admit that it has worked. Now you have folks on the right who don't even believe it but instead will go along right with it cause it's been said over and over and over again. There are those who are traditionally on the left who don't believe in DEI programs also and vice versa on the right with those who believe they are necessary.

#9: NVO being down right now has nothing to do with DEI initiatives. It has most to do with the not so impressive results about CagriSema. But I would also add, it's the incompetence of upper management in all departments to truly know how to run a business. I have been in Pharma for decades but it amazes me the level of incompetence when it comes to the basics of managing even samples and supply.

I really hope that Novo gets it together but they just keep moving along as if all of this is a surprise. There are diabetes reps who can't sell and are now up in arms since they have competition and Novo continues to push Rybelsus down their throats. There are diabetes reps who transition to obesity and really don't understand the business and try to look at it from a diabetes lens so they fail and either leave or go back to diabetes. And then there are obesity reps who have gotten sick and tired of the supply, pharmacy, and marketing "cluelessness" to even give a damn anymore. In my honest opinion, I see more reps leaving sooner than later BUT Novo can definitely count on reps from other companies or those that are unemployed to jump right in their shoes. Novo should treat the reps and managers with the respect they deserve since we are on the frontlines of all things Novo in front of the customers. Until then, the time bomb is ticking!
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But why even have an entire Department dedicated to run DEI &B initiatives? Why does such a title even exist?
Why did it even come about?
If a company feels they could do better at hiring better qualified candidates; then why not just put the criteria in place to do that?
Why does it have to be under the guise of DEI&B.
All DEI&B does, is divide people. It makes people think that folks are getting hired for reasons outside of qualifications.
 






No-woke said:
The purpose of DEI IS (was) to take jobs from one set of the population and allocate them to another. That point is fact.
When you have a quota, where the target is above its current number, then by definition you’re taking that position away from ‘the best person for the job’, regardless of race, gender, identity etc.) and assigning it to someone based on race, gender, identity etc)

Even Lars stated this 45-45-10 target a couple of years ago. How can you attempt to say DEI doesn’t take jobs from one area and allocate them to another. This is irrefutable, even within NVO.
How the he info you publicly state you’re allocating 10% of management position to people who identify as neither male nor female ? What’s THAT all about?

DEI is unequivocally Left/Wokeism. I mean even the hard-left leaning NY Times has an article today about how the entire world (not just the U.S.) is going anti-woke, anti-left. For real.

Look at the new hires in DEI roles in Princeton the past 2-3 years. Is there a Caucasian? Is there a male Caucasian?
Under 10%. Undeniable.

And people who created these jobs are history as are the ones in those roles.
Dave Moore is going to look under the hood and say Whaaaatttt???? How did THIS happen since I left ?
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Can we get a big yasss on that !!
 


















No-woke said:
The purpose of DEI IS (was) to take jobs from one set of the population and allocate them to another. That point is fact.
When you have a quota, where the target is above its current number, then by definition you’re taking that position away from ‘the best person for the job’, regardless of race, gender, identity etc.) and assigning it to someone based on race, gender, identity etc)

Even Lars stated this 45-45-10 target a couple of years ago. How can you attempt to say DEI doesn’t take jobs from one area and allocate them to another. This is irrefutable, even within NVO.
How the he info you publicly state you’re allocating 10% of management position to people who identify as neither male nor female ? What’s THAT all about?

DEI is unequivocally Left/Wokeism. I mean even the hard-left leaning NY Times has an article today about how the entire world (not just the U.S.) is going anti-woke, anti-left. For real.

Look at the new hires in DEI roles in Princeton the past 2-3 years. Is there a Caucasian? Is there a male Caucasian?
Under 10%. Undeniable.

And people who created these jobs are history as are the ones in those roles.
Dave Moore is going to look under the hood and say Whaaaatttt???? How did THIS happen since I left ?
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DEI is cratering and the pace by which it implodes will increase over the next year.

Admissions decision by the Supreme Court and the biggest U.S. company names are kicking their DEI departments to the curb, one after the other.

Yes I’m a male, and white.

But can you imagine if LinkedIn was littered with posts about guys receiving ‘visionary’ and ‘luminary’ awards from White Men of Pharma or Healthcare BusinessMANs Association?

The whole place would come UNGLUED.

Think about it people- that’s just absurd. The people and groups aiming to end ‘discrimination’ in fact create discriminatory organizations and then spend the whole year patting themselves on the back, ending up with a big gala to honor whoever they want (on WHAT criteria?).

Wake up wokes.
 






Excited to be at Novo for the first time! Trump will rid us of policies that allow companies like Novo to have these DEI policies. Dave moore will come in and clean house.

Drain the Novo Swamp in 2025!!
 






anonymous said:
But why even have an entire Department dedicated to run DEI &B initiatives? Why does such a title even exist?
Why did it even come about?
If a company feels they could do better at hiring better qualified candidates; then why not just put the criteria in place to do that?
Why does it have to be under the guise of DEI&B.
All DEI&B does, is divide people. It makes people think that folks are getting hired for reasons outside of qualifications.
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This is so simple and so perfectly right.

I’ll add, and I’ll try to do this graciously so as to not make it too obvious, or than any specific individual is identified. But look at some of the job histories that people in the DEI & B department have.

Seriously, people who never had what most would consider to be a real, or a quantifiable job. Non profit people, community advocate type people in small organizations of 5-50 people and then all the sudden you’re dictating and directing the policies and culture of a 4000 person operation?
Where did this come from ???
 












anonymous said:
This is so simple and so perfectly right.

I’ll add, and I’ll try to do this graciously so as to not make it too obvious, or than any specific individual is identified. But look at some of the job histories that people in the DEI & B department have.

Seriously, people who never had what most would consider to be a real, or a quantifiable job. Non profit people, community advocate type people in small organizations of 5-50 people and then all the sudden you’re dictating and directing the policies and culture of a 4000 person operation?
Where did this come from ???
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They were filling quotas and fitting the social justice mission. This isn't putting patients first.. especially minority patients that suffer from the diseases Novo claims to fight. This wokism hurts those patients the most.
 






anonymous said:
Forgot to add... if you truly look at who has benefited the most from DEIB initiatives, it's been white females. I'm sure the truth hurts!
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Lol and that’s what to sad—white females should hardly be considered DEIB but when all of sales leadership in the south at least are white males, then a white female is the softest step towards diversity ha. A black female manager?! Most of the white men in sales would leave their jobs they cousins stomach it even if she’s PROVEN in her leadership and track record. Novo is like working in 1950s.. we need to get rid of these long time pharma reps who have been spoiled by this lifestyle and work/life balance which is nonexistent in many other high paying jobs out there
 






anonymous said:
Lol and that’s what to sad—white females should hardly be considered DEIB but when all of sales leadership in the south at least are white males, then a white female is the softest step towards diversity ha. A black female manager?! Most of the white men in sales would leave their jobs they cousins stomach it even if she’s PROVEN in her leadership and track record. Novo is like working in 1950s.. we need to get rid of these long time pharma reps who have been spoiled by this lifestyle and work/life balance which is nonexistent in many other high paying jobs out there
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This is a solid example of the toxic, anti-white racism that exists here with a certain group of people.
 






anonymous said:
They were filling quotas and fitting the social justice mission. This isn't putting patients first.. especially minority patients that suffer from the diseases Novo claims to fight. This wokism hurts those patients the most.
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Novo certainly got caught up in the DEIB thing.
I’m so thankful I’m not a 50-something, or even a 40-something white male trying to keep my job letting alone having to find one.

However, at Novo you can probably go down to HR and change your race, and gender, in order to get promoted.

I’m dead serious.
 






Let's be clear. Dave wants to win. He doesn't care what you look like. whatever race, gender, sexual partner you prefer..he doesn't care. If you get results you'll stick around 1 or 2 levels below him. DEI, internal politics, etc are all forms of favoritism. Dave is a change guy.
The only color he cares about and DK tells him to care about is green!!
 






anonymous said:
Let's be clear. Dave wants to win. He doesn't care what you look like. whatever race, gender, sexual partner you prefer..he doesn't care. If you get results you'll stick around 1 or 2 levels below him. DEI, internal politics, etc are all forms of favoritism. Dave is a change guy.
The only color he cares about and DK tells him to care about is green!!
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I sure hope you are right! Would be refreshing to get back to just manufacturing and promoting our medications again.
 






anonymous said:
Let's be clear. Dave wants to win. He doesn't care what you look like. whatever race, gender, sexual partner you prefer..he doesn't care. If you get results you'll stick around 1 or 2 levels below him. DEI, internal politics, etc are all forms of favoritism. Dave is a change guy.
The only color he cares about and DK tells him to care about is green!!
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Cant wait for this to play out. Sure hope you are right about it, though.
 






anonymous said:
Novo certainly got caught up in the DEIB thing.
I’m so thankful I’m not a 50-something, or even a 40-something white male trying to keep my job letting alone having to find one.

However, at Novo you can probably go down to HR and change your race, and gender, in order to get promoted.

I’m dead serious.
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Hahaha are white men losing their jobs to DEIB? No they’re maaaaybe getting a little less of an unjust advantage for the first time ever. They’re the definition of affirmative action for the last century
 






anonymous said:
Hahaha are white men losing their jobs to DEIB? No they’re maaaaybe getting a little less of an unjust advantage for the first time ever. They’re the definition of affirmative action for the last century
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No no no. White men are ditching the progressive left en masse, sinking the democratic party for a generation. DEIB is hallowing out the democratic party. It will suffer the same fate as the Whigs
 






anonymous said:
Hahaha are white men losing their jobs to DEIB? No they’re maaaaybe getting a little less of an unjust advantage for the first time ever. They’re the definition of affirmative action for the last century
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Are black men losing their jobs to white players in the NBA & the NFL where 70% of the players are black? Why doesn’t DEI&B exist in sports that are predominantly held black players??
Maybe it because, the black players are superior than the white players~ plain & simple.
Blacks comprise 13% of the US population, yet in the area I am in, most DBM’s are black, they are over represented by 300%.
Simply put, there are more “whites” in the US population by a long shot. Yet their numbers in middle & upper management is decreasing exponentially.
Is it because ‘all of a sudden ‘ whites became stupid and no longer qualified for management positions or is it because corporate America is going out of their way to hire more blacks?
If this is the case; it’s a pretty dumb and nearsighted business strategy.

As I stated above, the NbA & NFL don’t go out of their way to hire “white” players at the expense of signing black players (in order to make the sport more equitable).
 






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