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Never gonna try to convince you to change your mind like you’re trying to assume all legacy Purdue reps got laid off and oxy is to blame. First off, i resigned for a promotion way before the demise of the entire sales force and Purdue being on my resume was considered a positive.

Do a knowledge check yourself besides hating on Purdue...j&j, endo, etc are getting sued for Ir opioids.
Oh wait you would have known that if you had did a little fact finding before besides hating on Purdue. Hmm...bc “you left” some bonus on the table like so many people did especially after Palm Springs. I actually did research and asked around and for some reason there wasn’t a “girl” who left a big bonus on the table. The first person to resign after that meeting was 7mos later and “she” did get her bonus. This is a fact.

The poster who is gonna continue to type the same comments just wants the last word so if you want the last word you can have it. It’s not worth my time or energy anymore to have an uneducated debate.
 






I could care less what research you did into the rep who left big money on the table. Unless you know someone from HR, there's absolutely no way you could possibly know this. She was a blonde from Miami district, btw.

I blame Purdue, as I've stated before for many, many reasons. I am fully aware that JnJ, Insys, and many many others have been sued. Being sued was never my point. Being culpable was and is. (The other companies may well be culpable, but I don't have first hand knowledge of that).

Before you state I haven't done my homework, read the facts as I've stated them.

Purdue is culpable because.....they paid off pain societies (and told the reps these were legitimate 3rd party sources), they paid off 3td party companies all over the place (which we as reps weren't privy to, but information is just coming out now), Purdue somehow got into bed with JCAHO to hawk pain as the 5th vital sign, etc etc.

Please, try and make a more cogent argument. I believe that will be difficult, since (again) the reps had absolutely NO idea what Purdue was involved in.

It seems you're having difficulty in my message....READ SOMETHING. If that's too much for you, watch the Netflix series called the Pharmacist.
Try to educate yourself just a teeny tiny bit beyond that which Purdue fed you. You may learn something!!

Or, are you trying to justify to yourself and others why you spent so much time at Purdue and made SO much $$ off the backs of abusers????
 






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I could care less what research you did into the rep who left big money on the table. Unless you know someone from HR, there's absolutely no way you could possibly know this. She was a blonde from Miami district, btw.

I blame Purdue, as I've stated before for many, many reasons. I am fully aware that JnJ, Insys, and many many others have been sued. Being sued was never my point. Being culpable was and is. (The other companies may well be culpable, but I don't have first hand knowledge of that).

Before you state I haven't done my homework, read the facts as I've stated them.

Purdue is culpable because.....they paid off pain societies (and told the reps these were legitimate 3rd party sources), they paid off 3td party companies all over the place (which we as reps weren't privy to, but information is just coming out now), Purdue somehow got into bed with JCAHO to hawk pain as the 5th vital sign, etc etc.

Please, try and make a more cogent argument. I believe that will be difficult, since (again) the reps had absolutely NO idea what Purdue was involved in.

It seems you're having difficulty in my message....READ SOMETHING. If that's too much for you, watch the Netflix series called the Pharmacist.
Try to educate yourself just a teeny tiny bit beyond that which Purdue fed you. You may learn something!!

Or, are you trying to justify to yourself and others why you spent so much time at Purdue and made SO much $$ off the backs of abusers????
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It’s the way of the world since the beginning of time. Homeostasis. One person wins, another loses.
 






anonymous said:
It’s the way of the world since the beginning of time. Homeostasis. One person wins, another loses.
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You can't possibly believe that's applicable here. I think the law states when a death is involved and 1 party wins and the other loses, it's called a felony when there was foreknowledge. The Sacklers have been caught stating that they were aware addiction rates were way higher than they were telling the reps and the public. They were aware shortly after Oxy's launch that the true addiction rate was extremely high. Addiction inevitably leads to death well over 50% of the time.
While homeostasis is a requirement for our world to survive, your definition of homeostasis is absurd.

1 group of people gain money and another loses it. That's a tiny part of homeostasis in economics. To maintain homeostasis, death (of humans) is usually not a requirement. However, the only way the Sacklers gained (won) was by selling such an addictive pill that many died after upping the dose so high they could no longer afford oxy and some moved to the cheaper heroin to treat their addiction. After each group of patients died, they had to hook more and more. (Remimds me of the cigarette industry) To make more money because the dead people weren't buying oxy any more.

I sincerely feel for you. You've been so brainwashed by Purdue (don't forget the Sacklers were psychiatrists). Keep your head in the sand for all I care. One day, when you hear of a loved one or close friend dying from an overdose, you'll think back to this exchange.

I would wish that on no one. I simply am dumbfounded at your lack of knowledge about the opioid crisis and Purdue's culpability in it.
 






Your argument in the above post was about the fact there was no "girl" who left directly after Palm Springs. I told you where she was. You must have verified my facts that "she" does truly exist. Why else would you throw up your hands and change the subject to some wrongly applied "philosophy", for want of a better word
 






Not the op here who’s bantering with the last few posts, but I was in HR at PP. I can confirm that individual you’re speaking of did not leave a big bonus on the table. I do agree that there is an opioid crisis everywhere which is sad for the people who truly need medication and can’t get it due to the abuse and diversion.

Before the haters of PP start, I was in HR for 8 years and left on my own accord due to relocating out of CT. I can tell you not many people left bonus money on the table. PP at one point went almost 3yrs during my time without a single resignation on the sales side. When someone did leave the company, it was after bonus payout per qtr. This is what I can confirm during my tenure.
 






anonymous said:
Not the op here who’s bantering with the last few posts, but I was in HR at PP. I can confirm that individual you’re speaking of did not leave a big bonus on the table. I do agree that there is an opioid crisis everywhere which is sad for the people who truly need medication and can’t get it due to the abuse and diversion.

Before the haters of PP start, I was in HR for 8 years and left on my own accord due to relocating out of CT. I can tell you not many people left bonus money on the table. PP at one point went almost 3yrs during my time without a single resignation on the sales side. When someone did leave the company, it was after bonus payout per qtr. This is what I can confirm during my tenure.
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Above poster is correct. I was in IC and the day after we paid is when the reps left. Very few would leave that $$ on table
 






anonymous said:
Above poster is correct. I was in IC and the day after we paid is when the reps left. Very few would leave that $$ on table
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Ok, maybe she didn't keave already earned bonus $$ on the table, but if she had stayed with PP after the Palm Springs meeting, she would have made a boatload of money. Being in the Miami district (the initial site of the most abuse early on), she would have gotten very wealthy. You people in the IC department know that better than most. My point was, she must have seen the light a lot sooner than most did. Otherwise, why leave when there was big, big money to be made.

Bury the lead, would ya?
 






anonymous said:
Ok, maybe she didn't keave already earned bonus $$ on the table, but if she had stayed with PP after the Palm Springs meeting, she would have made a boatload of money. Being in the Miami district (the initial site of the most abuse early on), she would have gotten very wealthy. You people in the IC department know that better than most. My point was, she must have seen the light a lot sooner than most did. Otherwise, why leave when there was big, big money to be made.

Bury the lead, would ya?
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No response from the IC gurus? Why??? Because you know I'm absolutely right.

Please try and tell me she would not have made a ton of $$ if she had stayed!!

The entire point I was making is that she saw the light long before anyone else did. Wish I would have taken note!!
 






former IC here, I agree with you, she probably saw the writing on the wall. With so many pill mills popping up, especially in FL, she may have realized the immorality of having one or two docs writing 99% of a territory's Rx. Remember, we sent people to Toppers with one or two docs writing. People saw it, knew it, few gave a sh*t.
 






anonymous said:
Ok, maybe she didn't keave already earned bonus $$ on the table, but if she had stayed with PP after the Palm Springs meeting, she would have made a boatload of money. Being in the Miami district (the initial site of the most abuse early on), she would have gotten very wealthy. You people in the IC department know that better than most. My point was, she must have seen the light a lot sooner than most did. Otherwise, why leave when there was big, big money to be made.

Bury the lead, would ya?
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Ha ha! Ohhh... Burned you dude as you claimed she left money on the table. Posting comments before you know true facts. Sounds like you’re better for leaving the big money on the table. Go ahead and try to instigate continuous responses from whoever to make your point. I won’t even try to post any info from HR or IC as I was in managed care. However, I just like the fact the poster got you to admit you were wrong. Now, let’s this miserable person blow up the thread. I’ll bring the popcorn ✌
 






anonymous said:
Ha ha! Ohhh... Burned you dude as you claimed she left money on the table. Posting comments before you know true facts. Sounds like you’re bitter for leaving the big money on the table. Go ahead and try to instigate continuous responses from whoever to make your point. I won’t even try to post any info from HR or IC as I was in managed care. However, I just like the fact the poster got you to admit you were wrong. Now, let this miserable person blow up the thread. I’ll bring the popcorn ✌
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National Sales Meetings– Quarterly Sales Meetings are bad enough, but National Sales Meetings are a spectacle, as many a promising career has been left in shambles after one of these annual events. Everyone is in attendance, the Top Brass, the hated Marketing Department, the winners, the losers, and all of the Female Reps from around the country. Mix this with 3 days of unbearable tension and fear, enormous quantities of alcohol, and you have a blueprint for disaster. You had a great year, and are celebrating and enjoying the praise of your peers. The morning after, however, as the fog lifts, you have vague memories of the V.P.’s wife walking away from you in fear and disgust. There is also an ugly rumor that some drunken Sales Rep actually pissed in the ice machine on the Managers Floor. At breakfast, eyes avoid you (Why me?), and you realize there may be much to atone for in spite of your stellar sales numbers. There is still 24 hours before your flight home. It’s going to be a long day.

From The ABC's of Sales THE ABCs OF SALES I wrote this a few years after I left Purdue. -Shelby Sherman, Purdue 1974-1998
 






15 veteran here. I saw many crazy ass things at the national meetings. Not a single meeting EVER came near the pomp and circumstance or audacity of entertainment, motivation, or excitement that one wouLd see at other pharma companies. Instead, it was much like having the warden and prison guards in a prison get all dressed up and give you some words of encouragement on how we could be better inmates. Meetings were usually held in a nice place, but the inmates had to bunk with someone else, food usually sucked, the inspirational messages and new ideas we learned were recycled year after year and got the point it was truly fun to watch, kinda like the movie Groundhog Day. The district and regional wardens would handle the breakouts and one could easily see who the decent ethical guards were and who the pricks were. One can recall a lot of interesting times and events but the one that sticks out in my memory was in 2015 or 2016 after the change in leadership when that crazy VP of sales L Pilla announced the Toppers winners at the nat meeting and she was so plastered, the people at my table had wagers as to if she was going to fall off the stage. Literally. She didnt but to this day, I dont know how. Rumor mill said that she had speaker anxiety and had taken a wee too much xanax before her debut.
Unsure about that but we did see her consume an usually large amount of red wine. One thing for sure - It was stunning to see a leader of the company get in front of hundreds of her employees for one of the first times to lead a session of the national meeting and watch her knees buckle, Uncoordinated and involuntary stumbling, slight word slurring, and HTG seeing her eyes roll back in her head !!
Our table was second from front and we had a birdseye view. It was impressive.
 












My favorite story from Purdue was when Russ Gasdia sent out the voice-mail about 9/11. He said that "at least this will take all eyes off Oxycontin abuse", referring to the national tragedy of the twin towers falling.
 






The drunks....Stella and Lisa hugging on stage....Stella wearing some stupid Captain's hat acting like a fool. The executive team made up of a Russian bitch, a dumbass Chinese national, an Iranian asshole, a drunk American and an English kiss-ass who all thought they were hot shit. Then there is Marv.. LOL, what a bunch of clowns.
 






Isn’t this the night someone assisted Lisa Pilla AS IN VILLA to a car to get her back to safety and she fired that person because he saw her vomit or something?

anonymous said:
15 veteran here. I saw many crazy ass things at the national meetings. Not a single meeting EVER came near the pomp and circumstance or audacity of entertainment, motivation, or excitement that one wouLd see at other pharma companies. Instead, it was much like having the warden and prison guards in a prison get all dressed up and give you some words of encouragement on how we could be better inmates. Meetings were usually held in a nice place, but the inmates had to bunk with someone else, food usually sucked, the inspirational messages and new ideas we learned were recycled year after year and got the point it was truly fun to watch, kinda like the movie Groundhog Day. The district and regional wardens would handle the breakouts and one could easily see who the decent ethical guards were and who the pricks were. One can recall a lot of interesting times and events but the one that sticks out in my memory was in 2015 or 2016 after the change in leadership when that crazy VP of sales L Pilla announced the Toppers winners at the nat meeting and she was so plastered, the people at my table had wagers as to if she was going to fall off the stage. Literally. She didnt but to this day, I dont know how. Rumor mill said that she had speaker anxiety and had taken a wee too much xanax before her debut.
Unsure about that but we did see her consume an usually large amount of red wine. One thing for sure - It was stunning to see a leader of the company get in front of hundreds of her employees for one of the first times to lead a session of the national meeting and watch her knees buckle, Uncoordinated and involuntary stumbling, slight word slurring, and HTG seeing her eyes roll back in her head !!
Our table was second from front and we had a birdseye view. It was impressive.
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