Childhood Obesity

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batman72 said:
This should not be a partisan issue. This is a serious issue and yes, the government can't help, on an individual basis, if people want to continue to stuff their fat asses.

But conservatives should see that this directly affects their bottom line.

Conservatives should make a choice: either keep believing one day that their tax dollars won't be used to subsidize peoples' healthcare costs OR support reform that can help to curb the growth of this FAT-AS-SHIT nation.

Since I don't see Medicare going away anytime soon I would support the latter.

If I am offending fat people, let me say that I used to weigh substantially more than I do now. I failed many times to lose weight.

Then I finally got it right (with the MUCH appreciated assistance of utilizing nutrition labels on food brought about by--guess who-- the government). And I've kept it off.

Fat people hurt both libs and Conservatives in so many ways.

It cost more for employers to cover them (NOTICE- I said EMPLOYERS- not the govt), cost to educate people who will leave (die) the workforce earlier, lowering the value of the American employee.

Moreover, fat people will incur more sick days and have lower production during the days they are there. Doesn't a lower-valued workforce mean more jobs overseas?

Obviously, it means more taxpayer dollars helping fat poor people who have emergency intervention. The list goes on and on.

Who pays for that? Do you see this changing anytime soon? So make your choice, either support SOME things that can help America or agree to more of your tax dollars paying to subsidize fat people.

I would agree with Conservatives if the society showed an ability to not eat themselves to death. I wouldn't care if the percentage of people unable to control themselves stayed relatively steady.

I wouldn't care if obesity only applied to adults-- but when child rate of obesity is skyrocketing intervention is needed.

Also, our food system used to provide nutrition that allowed people to sustain themselves. Now our food system is almost entirely based on being a sugar-delivery system.

Can we, as a society, truly present sugary/fat food anywhere and everywhere, have nutritious food be much more expensive, barrage our children with ads for crap food and then expect MOST families not to be challenged to rear healthy kids?

Do you really believe parents have a fair fight?

Do you really expect MOST single parents working 2-3 jobs to be able to truly understand that the orange juice they give their kids each morning is not actually orange juice?

Do you really expect her to understand what it means when high-fructose corn syrup is listed as the first ingredient?

Should our schools really provide unfettered access to sugar-in-a-bottle?

Should our schools really be listing "ketchup" as a vegetable in order to meet nutrition guidelines?

If you believe that intervention MUST be costly and INEFFECTIVE, you are making these assumptions yourself. Knowledge is power and disclosure changes behavior.

The Hannaford's chain started labeling all foods based on quality of nutrition. They saw a statistically significant change in buying patterns.

What the article below didn't mention was that food manufacturers began to ask Hannafords what changes they needed to make to their food in order to receive higher marks. All resulted from clearer labeling.

NYC instituted an easy-to-ready system of nutrition disclosure (calories, sugar, carbs) for each item in chain restaurants. They found buying patterns noticeably changed. This doesn't constitute nanny government.

Why not lower my taxes paid for subsiding fat people's healthcare costs (which applies to the employed and unemployed, government assisted and employer-based healthcare plans, white/black/etc), and increase sales taxes for shitty food?

There's no reason why a sales receipt at a fast food chain can't total the number of calories on a food order for customers who want a reasonable estimate on how much they are about to consume.

Do you think people who order the 2,500 calorie plate at the "5 Guys Burgers and Fries" would continue to order it if they knew it constituted more calories than they need in a given day?

At what point do people say "this is out of control?" Well, guess what, it's out of control.

Stop believing that the government can't take steps that affect obesity without implementing a nanny state. The two are not mutually exclusive.

I'm a conservative on this issue because I want to stop subsidizing fat people. I'm a liberal on this issue because I see a million ways the government can intervene, at little cost, to make people less fat.

http://health.usnews.com/health-new...l-program-seems-to-boost-healthful-food-sales
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Thanks for an informative, non-partisan post. I hope that the deniers take the time to read it and learn something.
 






Vagitarian said:
And if a parent disciplines a child to the point a limb or two gets broken, what business is it of the government and/or police department?
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Classic liberalism. They believe that if they make everything illegal, that is where control lies.

When you start controlling every waking hour of every man, woman and child in the United States through laws, freedom will be an ancient relic of the past. Everything, I mean everything that we do, think or say could be justifiably outlawed based upon the type of thinking that vag and rockndumb are purporting.
 






Yet not one iota of it has anything to do with your post's claim that there are lots of obese 9 month old babies because, golly, if they are at the 95th percentile for weight, irrespective of height, they must be fat.

There is more information available today than ever before. Does anyone really believe government mandates and controls are going to change people's habits? This is not an educational issue. There is a HUGE difference between providing information and trying to control behavior. Libs don't understand the difference.
 






Rocknwolf said:
Very disturbing report of the high incicence of 9 month olds who are well on the road to chronic health problems.

Most will grow up to conservaturds who reject advice on proper nutrition, and will suffer the consequence of fat cells in the brain. They will, of course then join the ranks of the dumbfucks who post on CP as brain impaired, angry bigoted, fearful conservaturds.

Hope it is not too late for Michelle O to save them from their asshole parents


http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience...ce/athirdof9montholdsalreadyobeseoroverweight
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Hey, the tag line to your postings is by John Stuart Mill...right? The British Civil Servant and Philospher?

Well here is another quote of his that may just fit right into this argument.

"The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant."
John Stuart Mill
 






Conservative Republican Here said:
Classic liberalism. They believe that if they make everything illegal, that is where control lies.

When you start controlling every waking hour of every man, woman and child in the United States through laws, freedom will be an ancient relic of the past. Everything, I mean everything that we do, think or say could be justifiably outlawed based upon the type of thinking that vag and rockndumb are purporting.
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classic conservatism-- to assume that any law is determining what people do "every waking hour of every man, woman, and child."

Here's about how many hours of my day, other than when I drop off my taxes at the accountant's, that are determined by laws: zero.

And I don't worry about them breaking my door down to take my guns. I don't check my yard to see if the government is hiding behind my bushes.

I wonder how much more enjoyable life would be for those who fabricate fears of government control.
 






batman72 said:
classic conservatism-- to assume that any law is determining what people do "every waking hour of every man, woman, and child."

Here's about how many hours of my day, other than when I drop off my taxes at the accountant's, that are determined by laws: zero.

And I don't worry about them breaking my door down to take my guns. I don't check my yard to see if the government is hiding behind my bushes.

I wonder how much more enjoyable life would be for those who fabricate fears of government control.
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If you believe this, you live in la la land. Are your clocks set to recognize daylight savings time, a government invention? If you had eggs for breakfast they are graded by the government. If you had fruit with it, the pesticides are government controlled and mandated. If you washed them with city tap water, it is treated per government standards and you pay for it. Even if you house your own chickens and grow your own crops, the land is regulated, zoned, and taxed. The gas you put in your car to drive to work is price controlled and it is taxed. The law says you must buckle your seat belt and drive a certain speed. You must have a driver's license and liability insurance. If you have children, they better be in an approved car seat. The clothes you wear have fire code standards as does the furniture in your home. Beef for lunch? Graded and government inspected. If you used a telephone, yup, government controlled, regulated and taxed. Your workplace is likely controlled by some kind of oversight OSHA. I could go on but you get the point. if you really think through the regulations and laws that control every second of your day, it would blow your mind.
 






SPN said:
Yet not one iota of it has anything to do with your post's claim that there are lots of obese 9 month old babies because, golly, if they are at the 95th percentile for weight, irrespective of height, they must be fat.

There is more information available today than ever before. Does anyone really believe government mandates and controls are going to change people's habits?


Yes, government mandates can change people's behavior. Government-required nutrition labels helped me choose healthier foods which helped me lose a good amount of weight.

Neither I, nor would most people, take the time to look up everything. Don't confuse "more information" (via the internet, etc) with "practical information" available on the box.

This is not an educational issue.


Yes, it is actually. See my post on how educating consumers in Hannaford's and NYC changed people's eating habits.

There is a HUGE difference between providing information and trying to control behavior. Libs don't understand the difference.
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Would you like to pay for fat people to get medical treatment or have people be more informed?
 






SPN said:
If you believe this, you live in la la land. Are your clocks set to recognize daylight savings time, a government invention? If you had eggs for breakfast they are graded by the government. If you had fruit with it, the pesticides are government controlled and mandated. If you washed them with city tap water, it is treated per government standards and you pay for it. Even if you house your own chickens and grow your own crops, the land is regulated, zoned, and taxed. The gas you put in your car to drive to work is price controlled and it is taxed. The law says you must buckle your seat belt and drive a certain speed. You must have a driver's license and liability insurance. If you have children, they better be in an approved car seat. The clothes you wear have fire code standards as does the furniture in your home. Beef for lunch? Graded and government inspected. If you used a telephone, yup, government controlled, regulated and taxed. Your workplace is likely controlled by some kind of oversight OSHA. I could go on but you get the point. if you really think through the regulations and laws that control every second of your day, it would blow your mind.
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All valid points. Except that it has nothing to do determining "how" I spend the large majority of my day.
 






lmao i just read this thread 4 the first time. if any of u idiotic republikkklan thinks u need a 'study' 2 show americans r fat then u much dumber than i imagined and thats insanely dumb
btw: michelle o's issue is simply an awareness campaign, not a govt mandate
feel free 2 raise ur kids fat little porkers like ur
 






annoyed dude said:
lmao i just read this thread 4 the first time. if any of u idiotic republikkklan thinks u need a 'study' 2 show americans r fat then u much dumber than i imagined and thats insanely dumb
btw: michelle o's issue is simply an awareness campaign, not a govt mandate
feel free 2 raise ur kids fat little porkers like ur
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Did you read SPN's rants? She gets nuttier by the day. I hope she isn't that boring and dumb in person, bit I tend to think she might be.
 










































SPN said:
Why do libbies think we need the government to 'save' us? Why do they think the government can?
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No one expects the govt to save anyone but the the ruling political class, namely, themselves. Don't be so fucking daft. Corporate bankers they save. No one else. Have another Krisy Kreme and relax. The peasants exist at the pleasure of the aristocracy.
 






Tim Peatardy said:
No one expects the govt to save anyone but the the ruling political class, namely, themselves. Don't be so fucking daft. Corporate bankers they save. No one else. Have another Krisy Kreme and relax. The peasants exist at the pleasure of the aristocracy.
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That shows what you know. I think Krispy Kreme donuts are awful.







Now Dunkin Donuts.......a whole nother thing. Luckily the closest one is over 200 miles away!
 












Your first mistake is using mooo-chelle as the example. She's obese and can't get out of her own way.

Keep up the good work here son.

Rocknwolf said:
Very disturbing report of the high incicence of 9 month olds who are well on the road to chronic health problems.

Most will grow up to conservaturds who reject advice on proper nutrition, and will suffer the consequence of fat cells in the brain. They will, of course then join the ranks of the dumbfucks who post on CP as brain impaired, angry bigoted, fearful conservaturds.

Hope it is not too late for Michelle O to save them from their asshole parents


http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience...ce/athirdof9montholdsalreadyobeseoroverweight
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