BIO ruined my marriage

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My soon to be ex-husband, implanting physician, who, after a massive weight loss operation feels he must prove he's back in the game. Now dating a new BIO rep where they are not even on contract, has decided to take a trip to Germany with her and become a speaker for BIO. For years he talked poorly about BIO and how dirty their tactics are and now he has decided to join the dirt. I guess BIO management figured they had to throw a female at him to get the business.

Funny how a company that advocates saving lives with their devices ruins marriages along the way to profits. Sex sells, not devices... and that's the BIO motto. Well little girl, make sure he shows you the "before" and "after" pictures and burn that image in your head. Anyway, my attorney will be serving papers soon and my PI has some pictures that are priceless.
 






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My soon to be ex-husband, implanting physician, who, after a massive weight loss operation feels he must prove he's back in the game. Now dating a new BIO rep where they are not even on contract, has decided to take a trip to Germany with her and become a speaker for BIO. For years he talked poorly about BIO and how dirty their tactics are and now he has decided to join the dirt. I guess BIO management figured they had to throw a female at him to get the business.

Funny how a company that advocates saving lives with their devices ruins marriages along the way to profits. Sex sells, not devices... and that's the BIO motto. Well little girl, make sure he shows you the "before" and "after" pictures and burn that image in your head. Anyway, my attorney will be serving papers soon and my PI has some pictures that are priceless.
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That is too bad. Unfortunately, this happens at STJ and Medtronic as well. Also happens in neuromodulation, ortho and other devices. Greed. Fools. Keep us updated. Hope they realize what fools they are. It won't last.
 






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My soon to be ex-husband, implanting physician, who, after a massive weight loss operation feels he must prove he's back in the game. Now dating a new BIO rep where they are not even on contract, has decided to take a trip to Germany with her and become a speaker for BIO. For years he talked poorly about BIO and how dirty their tactics are and now he has decided to join the dirt. I guess BIO management figured they had to throw a female at him to get the business.

Funny how a company that advocates saving lives with their devices ruins marriages along the way to profits. Sex sells, not devices... and that's the BIO motto. Well little girl, make sure he shows you the "before" and "after" pictures and burn that image in your head. Anyway, my attorney will be serving papers soon and my PI has some pictures that are priceless.
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Where have you been lady? Infidelity has nothing to do with a company and sales tactics. Sorry that your life is turning ugly becuz of a relationship gone south. But, don't blame this crap on BIO.

There are 20 schoolchildren in Connecticut who wish they could have lived long enough to even get married let alone deal with divorce.

My advice is to move on.
 






Anonymous said:
My soon to be ex-husband, implanting physician, who, after a massive weight loss operation feels he must prove he's back in the game. Now dating a new BIO rep where they are not even on contract, has decided to take a trip to Germany with her and become a speaker for BIO. For years he talked poorly about BIO and how dirty their tactics are and now he has decided to join the dirt. I guess BIO management figured they had to throw a female at him to get the business.

Funny how a company that advocates saving lives with their devices ruins marriages along the way to profits. Sex sells, not devices... and that's the BIO motto. Well little girl, make sure he shows you the "before" and "after" pictures and burn that image in your head. Anyway, my attorney will be serving papers soon and my PI has some pictures that are priceless.
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So there is no accountability on your husband? Or on you, maybe? No, of course not. It is all Biotronik's fault.
 






The bio rep is scum. And yes, although sad, bio could care less how they get the business. We are hanging on by a thread, so everyone that benefits from this business is already trying to figure out what other trips they can go on. He will leave your husband when he starts smelling old. He will get what he deserves.
 






Anonymous said:
My soon to be ex-husband, implanting physician, who, after a massive weight loss operation feels he must prove he's back in the game. Now dating a new BIO rep where they are not even on contract, has decided to take a trip to Germany with her and become a speaker for BIO. For years he talked poorly about BIO and how dirty their tactics are and now he has decided to join the dirt. I guess BIO management figured they had to throw a female at him to get the business.

Funny how a company that advocates saving lives with their devices ruins marriages along the way to profits. Sex sells, not devices... and that's the BIO motto. Well little girl, make sure he shows you the "before" and "after" pictures and burn that image in your head. Anyway, my attorney will be serving papers soon and my PI has some pictures that are priceless.
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Really?

This post smells like it's from a frustrated STJ rep getting his ass kicked by Bio.
 






Anonymous said:
The bio rep is scum. And yes, although sad, bio could care less how they get the business. We are hanging on by a thread, so everyone that benefits from this business is already trying to figure out what other trips they can go on. He will leave your husband when he starts smelling old. He will get what he deserves.
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Right..... and MDT, BSX and STJ don't have any scum bag reps at all? They don't have any reps that have and still are doing the same thing?

Be careful throwing stones.

You know the old saying.... For every beautiful woman there is somebody that is tired of her shit? Well, somebody is tired of her shit.
 






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Right..... and MDT, BSX and STJ don't have any scum bag reps at all? They don't have any reps that have and still are doing the same thing?

Be careful throwing stones.

You know the old saying.... For every beautiful woman there is somebody that is tired of her shit? Well, somebody is tired of her shit.
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I know of many instances where Mdt and STJ reps have relationships with doctors that would seem unethical. Lovers are one thing, but how about the children, nieces, and nephews of doctors that lock down their business. And, there are office managers who are spouses of reps that help secure business. Patients probably believe their doctors are making decisions on their behalf based on evidence, however, would be shocked at many of the unethical practices that occur. In Boston Scientifics defense, I can not think of any innapropriate relationships that drive business in my territory and I cover a large geography. STJ and Mdt? Where do I start. I am not with Boston. I see things in my company that seems strange, but is tolerated. Things that make you say hmmmm.
 






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I know of many instances where Mdt and STJ reps have relationships with doctors that would seem unethical. Lovers are one thing, but how about the children, nieces, and nephews of doctors that lock down their business. And, there are office managers who are spouses of reps that help secure business. Patients probably believe their doctors are making decisions on their behalf based on evidence, however, would be shocked at many of the unethical practices that occur. In Boston Scientifics defense, I can not think of any innapropriate relationships that drive business in my territory and I cover a large geography. STJ and Mdt? Where do I start. I am not with Boston. I see things in my company that seems strange, but is tolerated. Things that make you say hmmmm.
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Moving forward, price (not poon) will dictate.
 






Anonymous said:
My soon to be ex-husband, implanting physician, who, after a massive weight loss operation feels he must prove he's back in the game. Now dating a new BIO rep where they are not even on contract, has decided to take a trip to Germany with her and become a speaker for BIO. For years he talked poorly about BIO and how dirty their tactics are and now he has decided to join the dirt. I guess BIO management figured they had to throw a female at him to get the business.

Funny how a company that advocates saving lives with their devices ruins marriages along the way to profits. Sex sells, not devices... and that's the BIO motto. Well little girl, make sure he shows you the "before" and "after" pictures and burn that image in your head. Anyway, my attorney will be serving papers soon and my PI has some pictures that are priceless.
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You know, you're right. This would never happen at Medtronic, St Jude, or Boston. Never. Those companies are way too ethical to hire reps that would do something like this. In all my years in medical devices, I've never seen a company hire the spouse, girlfriend, child, or relative of a physician - except of course for Biotronik.

They are clearly the most unethical company in the industry - I mean, just look at the amount of fines they've paid to the DOJ over the past 30 years for illegal marketing. Compared to Medtronic, St Jude, and Boston Scientific, it's ridiculous.

Also, look at the number of misdemeanors Biotronik has pled guilty to compared to the competition - it's ridiculous.

Finally, look at all the news articles about Biotronik's devices that have failed and led to patient deaths compared to the competition. It's crazy.

With all this information out there, no one can say Biotronik isn't unethical.

I'm sorry your husband is leaving you - but if you're using CafePharma to vent - you're probably in the wrong spot. More likely, you're a troll complaining about how a Bio rep is kicking your ass - not because you're not a good rep. I mean come on, you've probably won multiple awards from your district / regional manager for presentation skills, analytical skills, etc. You're a superstar - just ask yourself. You can see absolutely no reason why another rep could be better than you.

Face facts - you're mediocre. You've always been mediocre. You will always be mediocre. Average is okay. Medtronic and Boston thrive on hiring average reps - that way they can pay them $150k and the reps are ecstatic (well, ecstatic enough to take their spouses / girlfriends out and expense the dinner - but of course we know that a doctor was there). My advice to you is to find a product that has no competition. Go to Edwards and sell perc valves - you'll be a superstar again. Leave right before Medtronic comes out with their valve and you'll be able to tell the next company what a rock star you are.

Otherwise, shut the fuck up and beg for your corporate account manager to bail you out by dropping pricing to the floor to get a market share agreement. Then come back on the board and tell everyone your success story.
 






Anonymous said:
You know, you're right. This would never happen at Medtronic, St Jude, or Boston. Never. Those companies are way too ethical to hire reps that would do something like this. In all my years in medical devices, I've never seen a company hire the spouse, girlfriend, child, or relative of a physician - except of course for Biotronik.

They are clearly the most unethical company in the industry - I mean, just look at the amount of fines they've paid to the DOJ over the past 30 years for illegal marketing. Compared to Medtronic, St Jude, and Boston Scientific, it's ridiculous.

Also, look at the number of misdemeanors Biotronik has pled guilty to compared to the competition - it's ridiculous.

Finally, look at all the news articles about Biotronik's devices that have failed and led to patient deaths compared to the competition. It's crazy.

With all this information out there, no one can say Biotronik isn't unethical.

I'm sorry your husband is leaving you - but if you're using CafePharma to vent - you're probably in the wrong spot. More likely, you're a troll complaining about how a Bio rep is kicking your ass - not because you're not a good rep. I mean come on, you've probably won multiple awards from your district / regional manager for presentation skills, analytical skills, etc. You're a superstar - just ask yourself. You can see absolutely no reason why another rep could be better than you.

Face facts - you're mediocre. You've always been mediocre. You will always be mediocre. Average is okay. Medtronic and Boston thrive on hiring average reps - that way they can pay them $150k and the reps are ecstatic (well, ecstatic enough to take their spouses / girlfriends out and expense the dinner - but of course we know that a doctor was there). My advice to you is to find a product that has no competition. Go to Edwards and sell perc valves - you'll be a superstar again. Leave right before Medtronic comes out with their valve and you'll be able to tell the next company what a rock star you are.

Otherwise, shut the fuck up and beg for your corporate account manager to bail you out by dropping pricing to the floor to get a market share agreement. Then come back on the board and tell everyone your success story.
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No dude..this really happened in my territory and I know who this doc is and the new BIO rep who caused this situation and everyone is very much aware. This doc is also trying to jockey for a board position of which will never happen. Your anger seems to be misdirected and off course from the point here. Everyone knows this happens every where you idiot but you can't stick to the story being told.

A doc loses a few lbs. and thinks he's back to his old small college football days, BIO throws a new rep in front of him and he throws his marriage away to chase it. Bio management knew what they were doing. The rep knows what she's doing. Hey, at least BIO isn't lowering their prices to get in the account...just lowering panties and ruining marriages. Stick to the story Bozo and take a breath. BIO just happens to be the company baiting the hook on this one and they have been locked out of this account for years and they smell an opportunity to come through the back door..if you know what I mean. Only BIO would be this desperate, predictable and obvious. That's what really chaps you....BIO can't gain business without engaging in some sort of unethical lure.....you guys stick out in the industry and always have for this kind of crap......hell, you guys hired Rory C knowing his background and after he was fired from MDT for the very reasons BIO felt he was worth hiring. Rory will cross any line at any time....a prerequisite to become a BIO rep!

Now, try to counter without bragging about how much $ you make over the Big3 and how little everyone else makes. If mediocre rep's are keeping BIO at 5% MS then what does that say about BIO reps abilities???? All I hear on here from BIO reps is, "I'm happy with my little pocket of business because my pay is higher than yours and that's ALL I care about." Now, if that's not the definition of "MEDIOCRE" salesmanship and professionalism....well?
 






I knew a MD who left his wife for a pretty young thing, lasted 4 years.

She left his ass and he was making about 800k a year, she got a nice "settlement" for laying on her back twice a month

Cheaters today will cheat tomorrow as well.
 






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No dude..this really happened in my territory and I know who this doc is and the new BIO rep who caused this situation and everyone is very much aware. This doc is also trying to jockey for a board position of which will never happen. Your anger seems to be misdirected and off course from the point here. Everyone knows this happens every where you idiot but you can't stick to the story being told.

A doc loses a few lbs. and thinks he's back to his old small college football days, BIO throws a new rep in front of him and he throws his marriage away to chase it. Bio management knew what they were doing. The rep knows what she's doing. Hey, at least BIO isn't lowering their prices to get in the account...just lowering panties and ruining marriages. Stick to the story Bozo and take a breath. BIO just happens to be the company baiting the hook on this one and they have been locked out of this account for years and they smell an opportunity to come through the back door..if you know what I mean. Only BIO would be this desperate, predictable and obvious. That's what really chaps you....BIO can't gain business without engaging in some sort of unethical lure.....you guys stick out in the industry and always have for this kind of crap......hell, you guys hired Rory C knowing his background and after he was fired from MDT for the very reasons BIO felt he was worth hiring. Rory will cross any line at any time....a prerequisite to become a BIO rep!

Now, try to counter without bragging about how much $ you make over the Big3 and how little everyone else makes. If mediocre rep's are keeping BIO at 5% MS then what does that say about BIO reps abilities???? All I hear on here from BIO reps is, "I'm happy with my little pocket of business because my pay is higher than yours and that's ALL I care about." Now, if that's not the definition of "MEDIOCRE" salesmanship and professionalism....well?
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What are her initials?
 






Anonymous said:
You know, you're right. This would never happen at Medtronic, St Jude, or Boston. Never. Those companies are way too ethical to hire reps that would do something like this. In all my years in medical devices, I've never seen a company hire the spouse, girlfriend, child, or relative of a physician - except of course for Biotronik.

They are clearly the most unethical company in the industry - I mean, just look at the amount of fines they've paid to the DOJ over the past 30 years for illegal marketing. Compared to Medtronic, St Jude, and Boston Scientific, it's ridiculous.

Also, look at the number of misdemeanors Biotronik has pled guilty to compared to the competition - it's ridiculous.

Finally, look at all the news articles about Biotronik's devices that have failed and led to patient deaths compared to the competition. It's crazy.

With all this information out there, no one can say Biotronik isn't unethical.

I'm sorry your husband is leaving you - but if you're using CafePharma to vent - you're probably in the wrong spot. More likely, you're a troll complaining about how a Bio rep is kicking your ass - not because you're not a good rep. I mean come on, you've probably won multiple awards from your district / regional manager for presentation skills, analytical skills, etc. You're a superstar - just ask yourself. You can see absolutely no reason why another rep could be better than you.

Face facts - you're mediocre. You've always been mediocre. You will always be mediocre. Average is okay. Medtronic and Boston thrive on hiring average reps - that way they can pay them $150k and the reps are ecstatic (well, ecstatic enough to take their spouses / girlfriends out and expense the dinner - but of course we know that a doctor was there). My advice to you is to find a product that has no competition. Go to Edwards and sell perc valves - you'll be a superstar again. Leave right before Medtronic comes out with their valve and you'll be able to tell the next company what a rock star you are.

Otherwise, shut the fuck up and beg for your corporate account manager to bail you out by dropping pricing to the floor to get a market share agreement. Then come back on the board and tell everyone your success story.
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You so off base it isn't funny.... I know for a fact of a STJ rep getting involved with an EP and ruining his marriage and now the rep and the EP are married and quess what.... he used almost 100% of STJ.

Get off your fucking high horse.
 






























Their is a Boston rep around me who does the same, special trips to the parking garages and post dinners. It's a profession as old as time. Not related to one company. Management may or may not know why the numbers are up.
 






Ummm....

To the person who said "get off your high horse" - evidently you didn't realize the poster who wrote that Biotronik was worse than everybody else was kidding.

Biotronik is the only company that hasn't:

1. Paid DOJ fines
2. Pled guilty to any misdemeanors
3. Had news articles about patients dying because their device failed

Read it again - it's called sarcasm.

To the person who wrote "No dude..this really happened in my territory and I know who this doc is and the new BIO rep who caused this situation and everyone is very much aware. This doc is also trying to jockey for a board position of which will never happen. Your anger seems to be misdirected and off course from the point here. Everyone knows this happens every where you idiot but you can't stick to the story being told."

A few things stand out:

1. You lost business because of this.

2. It's probably pretty easy to identify you from your tone of speech. Most people write like they talk. So I would guess that anyone who knows you from your territory has probably figured it out already.

3. Exactly how do you know this physician will never "get a board position" - unless you have inside information from the CEO - which further narrows down who you are.

4. You state in sentence "Everyone knows this happens every where (sic)."

In the next paragraph you state,

"Only BIO would be this desperate, predictable and obvious. That's what really chaps you....BIO can't gain business without engaging in some sort of unethical lure.....you guys stick out in the industry and always have for this kind of crap......hell, you guys hired Rory C knowing his background and after he was fired from MDT for the very reasons BIO felt he was worth hiring. Rory will cross any line at any time....a prerequisite to become a BIO rep!"

5. So which is it - does it happen everywhere, or is BIO desperate, predictable, and obvious?

6. A follow up question to question 5, you're obviously from Florida. So if BIO is awful for hiring Rory, what does that say about the BSC manager who hired the cousin of the EP in Tampa? What does that say about the MDT & STJ managers that hired the girlfriend of the EP in Miami (Miami Herald article from a few years ago). Does that mean that BIO operates in the same manner as BSC, MDT, and STJ? Or is BIO worse?

I would continue to de-construct your argument; however, it's pointless. It is apparent that you're bitter you've lost business. What's funny is that when I lost business to an MDT rep who started dating my married customer (and who later left his wife to marry the MDT rep), I don't recall posting in anger on CafePharma. I recall going to his referring physicians I was friends with and getting them to shift their referring patterns. I also recall my business not taking much of a dump.

Maybe I should have posted on CafePharma about how unethical MDT was for doing this. Maybe that would have had more of an impact on my business.
 






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