Aptiom Managed Care Coverage SUCKS!!

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Anonymous said:
Ya we all be laughing when they tell us we have adequate formulary coverage and we are the same "restriction status" as Vimpat. We clearly are not at same status and what is so funny is they think we are stupid enough to believe them when we work in the class. How ignorant can they be? Do they expect us to believe that just cuz they keep saying it over and over. No wonder morale is so low.
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While your post above is true, you have to remember that they don't want to hear the truth. Do what I have done and you will be a lot happier working here. Just agree with everything they say and work a total of 15 hours a week. I love this job. I don't care about bonus or anything else. I'm pulling down over 6 figures in base and the bonus structure is so screwed up here that I actually started making more in bonus after I basically just gave up and started working a few hours each day to get some signatures and make sure the docs were in when I faked my call records. I love hardly working here.
 






Anonymous said:
Please stay off the Sunovion board with your posts about Aptiom. Go to you own company board to rant about your products. Thanks and please leave us alone.
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Still here. Why would I go anywhere?. I will continue working 15 hours per week and cashing in. Calls you want calls, no problem. A six figure salary for 15 hours per week, sweet.

I am going to take 10 strokes off my handicap this summer. Thanks Sunovion.
 






Anonymous said:
Are you surprised that Aptiom was launch with terrible managed care coverage? This was brought to you by the same group that delivered you inexperienced management, a Bial product not a Sunovion product, bad data, metrics, awful marketing - is anyone left in the department or did they all get promoted out?, buckets, delays in goals, micro micro management, an empty corporate office, reps leaving in droves and terminations and PIPs.

I would have been shocked if managed care was handled well, as it would have been out if character. Anyone with good managed care relationships and expertise would not be working for Sunovion or wild have left by now.

As for being lied to grow up. Sunovion cares about Sunivion and needed to get and maintain a sales force.
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Hey you forgot a few things, unnecessary expensive meetings, 2 bad promotions (Sippy anyone?) Hope that helps
 






Anonymous said:
Hey you forgot a few things, unnecessary expensive meetings, 2 bad promotions (Sippy anyone?) Hope that helps
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You can add to the list managed care account directors that come in a group to a small meeting or p&t and spend lavishly on dinners (they've invited me to a few). I mean drinks, steaks, wine... All on a Wednesday night. It's like they just show up to get together to socialize and have nice dinners and cocktails. And they show up in mass. I can't believe they will let that go on much longer. When I ask them about Aptiom initiatives or contracting they just say they can't contract for it. I really don't know what they do for Aptiom. Seems like nothing at all.
 






Anonymous said:
True post. Vimpat is T2 or T3 unrestricted at 72% of the plan is my territory and Aptiom is T2 or T3 unrestricted at 54% of my plans and Aptiom is PA'd at my third largest plan (Vimpat T3 unrestricted) and has a step edit on my second largest plan where vimpat is T2 unrestricted. So please stop the nonsense that we have such great access. Someone let the managed care people know they have to get off their Arses and actually start doing some work to remove the severe restrictions we have compared to Vimpat. Can't wait to hear all the bull$hit at the upcoming POA. Hey Brad guess what? We are not idiots. Just because you say it over and over again does not make it true. For the last time, WE DO NOT HAVE ANYWHERE NEAR EQUAL STATUS WITH VIMPAT AT THE MAJORITY OF OUR MANAGED CARE PLANS!

I can't believe heads have not rolled in managed markets. Where are the contracts? We have ONE! One f'ing Aptiom contract in the entire nation almost a full year after launch. Great work managed markets people. You should all be very proud of yourselves ...NOT!
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And your point is?
 












Is this news? Go on the website and look for jobs. As of last week, there were 6 or 7 territories available around the country. The real story is why anyone would stay here and sell Aptiom, well I guess high base salaries and the ability to work 4 hours a day.
 






Anonymous said:
Is this news? Go on the website and look for jobs. As of last week, there were 6 or 7 territories available around the country. The real story is why anyone would stay here and sell Aptiom, well I guess high base salaries and the ability to work 4 hours a day.
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I agree with your logic and love the 4 hour days. Many of my days are even less than that now. Our managed care reps don't even acknowledge that the company has Aptiom as a product so I don't feel too bad slacking as I have no support from this company to even try to sell Aptiom.

I am a bit scared this evening though. I heard another Aptiom RBM's resigned this week. That really scares me. When the RBM's start leaving you know there is major major trouble ahead. I've gotten so used to working 15 hours a week for over a year I'm not sure I could cut it at another company. I hope our sales division does not get laid off abruptly.
 






Ya I heard the Minneapolis Aptiom manager quit last week. No biggie. Half of his reps quit over the past 6 months. Big changes coming anyway at the end of the month. That's the rumor anyway. Can't say I'll be surprised. We can only get paid 6 figure bases for so long and have territory sales with a trend line that shows it won't be until 2019 when actual sales in the territory cover our salaries.

It should be a really fun summer. NOT!
 






Anonymous said:
So they keep telling us that Aptiom has parity status with Vimpat on most of the formulary's. What a complete and total lie. My Account Director told me they are not even allowed to offer rebates for Aptiom. At UCB we offered a lot of rebates for Vimpat so how can we be a parity status with Vimpat at most formulary's when we are not letting or managed care people contract for Aptiom. And PLEASE don't tell me its the great efficacy and side effect profile of Aptiom!! We know that's a crock.

So... Why does the company lie to us about parity status with Vimpat when their own contracting "strategy" for Aptiom in and of itself ensures that we are NOT AT PARITY STATUS WITH VIMPAT???? Answer me that!

Do they think we in the field promoting Aptiom are so stupid that they can flat our lie to us and don't think we'd know?

Come on Brad! Stop lying and acknowledge that Vimpat is in a better access position and MOST plans and we have no intention of contracting for Aptiom so that is never going to change. Just be honest.

- OR - Is my Regional Account Director just lying to me when she tells me they are not allowed to contract for Aptiom. She said that was the strategy right from launch.

WTF gives? Answers please...
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What's your point?
 






Yes, what is your point. Shut up and bank the money for as long as this charade lasts. We are paid six figure salaries to sell an unneeded drug with bad coverage. We are treated like a primary care salesforce and paid like specialty. Japan is asleep at the wheel. Just enjoy it.
 






Anonymous said:
Ya Ha! True post! Vimpat has much better status and much less restrictions in my area. That is what is killing us. Who's bright idea was it not to contract? So we have only one Aptiom contract in the entire USA? You can't tell me we have parity restriction status at all the other plans across the country. If you are not going to contract it then slash us down to 40 reps just calling the major epilepsy centers and big neurology Rx'ers. Managed care coverage is the problem. We all know that but no one will do anything about it.
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Managed care is not your only problem. Your product sucks and are delusional if you believe Aptiom is a good product! That 131% fluctuation works great for patients if you wanna take them to the moon.
 


















Has anyone seen how horrible the managed care coverage is for Aptiom in Minnesota? It is HORRIBLE and has gotten even worse in the past 8 months. I thought we were going to get some relief or better status at MN Medicaid but Noooooooooo. We did not.

I have Vimpat preferred compared to us almost everywhere now. I didn't think the coverage could get any worse but it has. What are we doing with the health plans here? NOTHING?!
 






anonymous said:
Has anyone seen how horrible the managed care coverage is for Aptiom in Minnesota? It is HORRIBLE and has gotten even worse in the past 8 months. I thought we were going to get some relief or better status at MN Medicaid but Noooooooooo. We did not.

I have Vimpat preferred compared to us almost everywhere now. I didn't think the coverage could get any worse but it has. What are we doing with the health plans here? NOTHING?!
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Aptiom coverage hasn't gotten any better up here!
 






Ha Ha. Now you know what it feels like to be a Latuda rep in Wisconsin. Great job done here with Navitus. That's our managed care now. It has really gone down hill in the last few years. Remember when we had managed care reps that worked with us and worked hard for us? What has happened to this company? I've been here to long. Sad really what has happened to a once great company and a once great managed care division. Anyone know if JnJ still hiring in the area for their new MDD drug?
 






anonymous said:
Ha Ha. Now you know what it feels like to be a Latuda rep in Wisconsin. Great job done here with Navitus. That's our managed care now. It has really gone down hill in the last few years. Remember when we had managed care reps that worked with us and worked hard for us? What has happened to this company? I've been here to long. Sad really what has happened to a once great company and a once great managed care division. Anyone know if JnJ still hiring in the area for their new MDD drug?
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