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It's sad that this company's management is so disliked that there's even a DEBATE about when to resign!! Best advice, don't double dip, a) resign WITHOUT notice, b) obviously AFTER you receive your formal offer, and, here's the best part...c) the FRIDAY before you start your new job. No overlap needed...
 












help!! need a job!! Reap companies can't understand why i left a great gig to come to flOptimer Worst career mistake i ever made
any new start ups? expansions? launches??? no joke
 






Anonymous said:
Wrong, this is only prior to an offer being made. Offers are conditioned on a successful background check, at that point they can verify anything. Besides, in most cases they do not SPEAK to anyone, and in many, the verification is done via a third party and your old company is never contacted directly.

Double dipping is stealing, and this is an HR issue that has nothing to do with your managers "OK". Perhaps some companies dont care, but most do; if they didnt, they would not do a background check! So why take the chance over a few dollars.

And remember, there will be a permanent record of this double dipping, so every subsequesnt employer will see it. Why take the chance for a few dollars?
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Oh please...what a pile of horsecrap.

Any company that does not do a background search before offering the job is taking a huge chance. Talking to an old employer will get them dates of employment, some of which may overlap if the company still has you on their payroll until vacation is paid out. Sometimes the company stops the paycheck but forgets to enter the date.

As for a "permanent record', what the hell is this? School in the 1950's? That's as hollow as Paris Hilton's head.
 






Anonymous said:
Oh please...what a pile of horsecrap.

Any company that does not do a background search before offering the job is taking a huge chance. Talking to an old employer will get them dates of employment, some of which may overlap if the company still has you on their payroll until vacation is paid out. Sometimes the company stops the paycheck but forgets to enter the date.

As for a "permanent record', what the hell is this? School in the 1950's? That's as hollow as Paris Hilton's head.
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Fine then, go ahead and double dip to your hearts' content. However, during your new company training class you'll never know if someone from HR will stop by in the middle of a session and tap you on the shoulder saying, "Excuse me, we need to discuss something..."

Double dip away, cheat and lie, it's what you are all about. Be sure to brag about it to your kids, they'll be proud of you. Just don't be angry with them when you find them stealing from your wallet you left on your dresser. After all, there's nothing wrong with that either... is there?
 






Anonymous said:
Oh please...what a pile of horsecrap.

Any company that does not do a background search before offering the job is taking a huge chance. Talking to an old employer will get them dates of employment, some of which may overlap if the company still has you on their payroll until vacation is paid out. Sometimes the company stops the paycheck but forgets to enter the date.

As for a "permanent record', what the hell is this? School in the 1950's? That's as hollow as Paris Hilton's head.
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I did not mean a record as in a folder in a cabinet somewhere; I meant that there is an electronic trail that never goes away. The bottomline is this, companies do not "speak to people" when they verify your employment. Next, you should do a google search for a company called "theworknumber". Many, Many companies simply send there HR data to this company, and this company manages verifications for virtually all mid-large companies. An employer simply logs onto their website, enters your company name, and your SS# and bingo, they have your Start date, end date, and last title; its as simple as that.

Next, THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE REASON FOR OVERLAPPING OF DATES, especially not by more than a day or two. Companies do not force you to stay on the pay roll, in order to receive vacation pay, they give you a lump sum check for your vacation pay. It works like this"

Your New Employer: "We offer you the job, pending background check, the start date is in two weeks on June 1st"

You: "Mr Manager at Optimer, I am giving two weeks notice, and am leaving as of May 31st"

May 31st comes, and you leave. Sometime after that you receive your final paycheck, which will include your unused vacation pay. Company says "Good bye!"

NOBODY makes you stay on the payroll in order to payout your vacation pay, nobody! Companies do background checks for a reason. I am not here to persuade YOU not to double dip. I am only warning others that this stealing is easily detected, and not easy to explain away. At the end of the day, double dipping means that you were receiving a paycheck AND benefits, and utilizing the resources from a company that you were not entitled to receive, and without their permission!

Hey, why argue, lets put things to the ultimate test. Simply approach Optimer, if you are on the pay roll, and simply make the following statement:

"Hey Optimer HR manager, I will be starting at another company on June 10th, but I would like to stay on the Optimer payroll until August 10th 2013". According to YOU, this should be no problem. I challenge anyone to try this, and see what happens.

DOUBLE DIPPING IS STEALING, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. IT IS ALSO EASILY DETECTED, SO WHY DO IT. ITS JUST PLAIN STUPID TO SO EASILY DOCUMENT SUCH A FRAUD, AND RUIN YOUR CAREER. REMEMBER, EVERY SINGLE COMPANY THAT EVER VERIFIES YOUR EMPLOYMENT WILL SEE THAT YOU DOUBLE DIPPED, EVERY SINGLE ONE! YOU MAY GET AWAY WITHOUT ONCE, BUT AT SOME POINT IN YOUR CAREER YOU WILL REGRET IT!
 






Anonymous said:
I did not mean a record as in a folder in a cabinet somewhere; I meant that there is an electronic trail that never goes away. The bottomline is this, companies do not "speak to people" when they verify your employment. Next, you should do a google search for a company called "theworknumber". Many, Many companies simply send there HR data to this company, and this company manages verifications for virtually all mid-large companies. An employer simply logs onto their website, enters your company name, and your SS# and bingo, they have your Start date, end date, and last title; its as simple as that.

Next, THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE REASON FOR OVERLAPPING OF DATES, especially not by more than a day or two. Companies do not force you to stay on the pay roll, in order to receive vacation pay, they give you a lump sum check for your vacation pay. It works like this"

Your New Employer: "We offer you the job, pending background check, the start date is in two weeks on June 1st"

You: "Mr Manager at Optimer, I am giving two weeks notice, and am leaving as of May 31st"

May 31st comes, and you leave. Sometime after that you receive your final paycheck, which will include your unused vacation pay. Company says "Good bye!"

NOBODY makes you stay on the payroll in order to payout your vacation pay, nobody! Companies do background checks for a reason. I am not here to persuade YOU not to double dip. I am only warning others that this stealing is easily detected, and not easy to explain away. At the end of the day, double dipping means that you were receiving a paycheck AND benefits, and utilizing the resources from a company that you were not entitled to receive, and without their permission!

Hey, why argue, lets put things to the ultimate test. Simply approach Optimer, if you are on the pay roll, and simply make the following statement:

"Hey Optimer HR manager, I will be starting at another company on June 10th, but I would like to stay on the Optimer payroll until August 10th 2013". According to YOU, this should be no problem. I challenge anyone to try this, and see what happens.

DOUBLE DIPPING IS STEALING, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. IT IS ALSO EASILY DETECTED, SO WHY DO IT. ITS JUST PLAIN STUPID TO SO EASILY DOCUMENT SUCH A FRAUD, AND RUIN YOUR CAREER. REMEMBER, EVERY SINGLE COMPANY THAT EVER VERIFIES YOUR EMPLOYMENT WILL SEE THAT YOU DOUBLE DIPPED, EVERY SINGLE ONE! YOU MAY GET AWAY WITHOUT ONCE, BUT AT SOME POINT IN YOUR CAREER YOU WILL REGRET IT!
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Ok, this obviously Optimer HR posting these replies, I wish they would spend as much time managing the agregious behavior of the executives as they do this site! They will tolerate a drunk VP who insults top performers and spouses on the PCA trip and won't fire this person who clearly wouldn't pass a background check themselves but is worried about our background checks. Seriously, maybe we would respect you if you played by the rules.
 






Anonymous said:
I did not mean a record as in a folder in a cabinet somewhere; I meant that there is an electronic trail that never goes away. The bottomline is this, companies do not "speak to people" when they verify your employment. Next, you should do a google search for a company called "theworknumber". Many, Many companies simply send there HR data to this company, and this company manages verifications for virtually all mid-large companies. An employer simply logs onto their website, enters your company name, and your SS# and bingo, they have your Start date, end date, and last title; its as simple as that.

Next, THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE REASON FOR OVERLAPPING OF DATES, especially not by more than a day or two. Companies do not force you to stay on the pay roll, in order to receive vacation pay, they give you a lump sum check for your vacation pay. It works like this"

Your New Employer: "We offer you the job, pending background check, the start date is in two weeks on June 1st"

You: "Mr Manager at Optimer, I am giving two weeks notice, and am leaving as of May 31st"

May 31st comes, and you leave. Sometime after that you receive your final paycheck, which will include your unused vacation pay. Company says "Good bye!"

NOBODY makes you stay on the payroll in order to payout your vacation pay, nobody! Companies do background checks for a reason. I am not here to persuade YOU not to double dip. I am only warning others that this stealing is easily detected, and not easy to explain away. At the end of the day, double dipping means that you were receiving a paycheck AND benefits, and utilizing the resources from a company that you were not entitled to receive, and without their permission!

Hey, why argue, lets put things to the ultimate test. Simply approach Optimer, if you are on the pay roll, and simply make the following statement:

"Hey Optimer HR manager, I will be starting at another company on June 10th, but I would like to stay on the Optimer payroll until August 10th 2013". According to YOU, this should be no problem. I challenge anyone to try this, and see what happens.

DOUBLE DIPPING IS STEALING, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. IT IS ALSO EASILY DETECTED, SO WHY DO IT. ITS JUST PLAIN STUPID TO SO EASILY DOCUMENT SUCH A FRAUD, AND RUIN YOUR CAREER. REMEMBER, EVERY SINGLE COMPANY THAT EVER VERIFIES YOUR EMPLOYMENT WILL SEE THAT YOU DOUBLE DIPPED, EVERY SINGLE ONE! YOU MAY GET AWAY WITHOUT ONCE, BUT AT SOME POINT IN YOUR CAREER YOU WILL REGRET IT!
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Spare us the BS! Lots of companies keep people on the payroll until the last paycheck because once you give notice they don't want you having access to any more info. I have worked for four big pharma companies in 35 years, and they all understood the importance of staying through a bonus date, etc. They are not stupid, and if you tell them up front that you may have to stay on the payroll, 99% of them understand why. They also understand that payroll checks are only cut on a specific cycle with some companies, and that others may or may not require you to work through the notice. Two of the four big pharma employers knew that I had to remain on payroll for my bonus or vacation, and they didn't mind AS LONG AS I TOLD THEM.

Only an HR flunkie and loser would spread crap about "permanent records". This isn't "A Christmas Story" and we're not Ralphie, so can the crap.

Maybe you should crawl out of your parents' basement.
 






Anonymous said:
Spare us the BS! Lots of companies keep people on the payroll until the last paycheck because once you give notice they don't want you having access to any more info. I have worked for four big pharma companies in 35 years, and they all understood the importance of staying through a bonus date, etc. They are not stupid, and if you tell them up front that you may have to stay on the payroll, 99% of them understand why. They also understand that payroll checks are only cut on a specific cycle with some companies, and that others may or may not require you to work through the notice. Two of the four big pharma employers knew that I had to remain on payroll for my bonus or vacation, and they didn't mind AS LONG AS I TOLD THEM.

Only an HR flunkie and loser would spread crap about "permanent records". This isn't "A Christmas Story" and we're not Ralphie, so can the crap.

Maybe you should crawl out of your parents' basement.
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You are such an idiot. You really think "permanent record" means that there is some file in a cabinet? What a dope. The fact is, just as your credit report is a "RECORD" so is your employment history (start dates, end date).

I see you never stated that your "previous" employer was ok with you staying on the payroll, drawing their paycheck and benefits while working for someone else. If you felt you were doing nothing wrong, why didnt you tell them. THe reason is that you know that it is stealing. The problem is know one wants to hire a thief, and this theft is clear for everyone to see.

Once again you imbecile, it nots the employer immediately following the "double dipped" company that matters; its the subsequent ones. NOBODY needs to stay on payroll, in order to get vacation days NOBODY! You get them in a lump sum with your last check.

My posts are not meant for you. You feel that getting paid by your previous employer is OK, while working for someone else is worth the risk, I am fine with that. My posts are for those that actually think that there is no obvious record of this stealing, and there is with no interpretation. Every company will verify your dates, AND every company will notice the double dip.

IN THE END SOME COMPANIES WILL LOOK THE OTHER WAY, AND SOME COMPANIES WILL REVOKE THEIR OFFER. JUST AS THEY WILL IF YOU LIE ABOUT YOUR EDUCATION, YOUR CRIMINAL RECORD OR EVEN WHEN CHECKING YOUR CREDIT THEY FIND THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SCAMMING CREDIT CARDS.

For everyone else besides the proud thief; is your career worth the few thousand dollars you can get by double dipping? Do you really want to risk being offered a 100k job, just to have the offer rescinded because you stole a few thousand dollars from another company? Do you really want to be in a position where you are anxiously giving a lame excuse like "I was waiting out my vacation pay (while still drawing a salary) while I was working at the next company? This is just plain stupid, this guy is really trying to convince you that stealing is ok and that you can easily get away with it? It is not and You can not?

Besides this, I personally know of more that one occasion where reps were dragged out of training at their new companies, when it was determined that they were still employed someplace else. No hiring manager can give you "permission" to steal from your previous company; this is an HR issue only!
 






THe safest way to handl while slapping back is to resign on the Friday afternoon prior to your scheduled start of work the FOLLOWING Monday at your new employer. Two week notice is NEVER required, and there are many, many reasons NOT to give notice- examples can include fear of company management, toxic work work environment, fear of retaliation etc. Confidential discussions are happening along those lines at many other companies so you do not have to stretch the truth..
 






I think there will be at least 25% vacancy as the San Diego meeting rolls around.

It will be the 800 pound gorilla in the room...

Even with hiring anyone with a pulse to keep up the charade going for the purchase/sell negotiations
 






Anonymous said:
You are such an idiot. You really think "permanent record" means that there is some file in a cabinet? What a dope. The fact is, just as your credit report is a "RECORD" so is your employment history (start dates, end date).

I see you never stated that your "previous" employer was ok with you staying on the payroll, drawing their paycheck and benefits while working for someone else. If you felt you were doing nothing wrong, why didnt you tell them. THe reason is that you know that it is stealing. The problem is know one wants to hire a thief, and this theft is clear for everyone to see.

Once again you imbecile, it nots the employer immediately following the "double dipped" company that matters; its the subsequent ones. NOBODY needs to stay on payroll, in order to get vacation days NOBODY! You get them in a lump sum with your last check.

My posts are not meant for you. You feel that getting paid by your previous employer is OK, while working for someone else is worth the risk, I am fine with that. My posts are for those that actually think that there is no obvious record of this stealing, and there is with no interpretation. Every company will verify your dates, AND every company will notice the double dip.

IN THE END SOME COMPANIES WILL LOOK THE OTHER WAY, AND SOME COMPANIES WILL REVOKE THEIR OFFER. JUST AS THEY WILL IF YOU LIE ABOUT YOUR EDUCATION, YOUR CRIMINAL RECORD OR EVEN WHEN CHECKING YOUR CREDIT THEY FIND THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SCAMMING CREDIT CARDS.

For everyone else besides the proud thief; is your career worth the few thousand dollars you can get by double dipping? Do you really want to risk being offered a 100k job, just to have the offer rescinded because you stole a few thousand dollars from another company? Do you really want to be in a position where you are anxiously giving a lame excuse like "I was waiting out my vacation pay (while still drawing a salary) while I was working at the next company? This is just plain stupid, this guy is really trying to convince you that stealing is ok and that you can easily get away with it? It is not and You can not?

Besides this, I personally know of more that one occasion where reps were dragged out of training at their new companies, when it was determined that they were still employed someplace else. No hiring manager can give you "permission" to steal from your previous company; this is an HR issue only!
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Thank you, Optimer HR. Go jump off a cliff. Better yet, let some of us push you.

You are a moron. A company has to pay to be on The Work Number as a client. Some companies don't even report publicly.

You know all about it because that's what HR told you, right? Suuuuuuure.

Permanent record? How Ferris Bueller can you get? If you tell your company and they are aware of it, most of the time they could care less. Why? Because it's too much time and trouble to go back and verify. Any company that pulls you out of a meeting to fire you wasn't worth working for or you sent off other signals that meant they were looking for a reason for fire your butt.

And stop posting when you are smashed and crying over the guy that just dumped you.
 






Anonymous said:
Thank you, Optimer HR. Go jump off a cliff. Better yet, let some of us push you.

You are a moron. A company has to pay to be on The Work Number as a client. Some companies don't even report publicly.

You know all about it because that's what HR told you, right? Suuuuuuure.

Permanent record? How Ferris Bueller can you get? If you tell your company and they are aware of it, most of the time they could care less. Why? Because it's too much time and trouble to go back and verify. Any company that pulls you out of a meeting to fire you wasn't worth working for or you sent off other signals that meant they were looking for a reason for fire your butt.

And stop posting when you are smashed and crying over the guy that just dumped you.
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Oh, Im sorry; you are correct and I am wrong. Stealing from your company is perfectly legitimate, and besides employers dont even care about character or ethics, They really do those background checks for no reason at all, riiiight! You continue to make an arse out of yourself with you crazy posts. Again, if YOU dont mind ruining your career just to gain a few bucks, thats on you, but dont sell that crap to others. Your most recent post is clear proof that ytou are indeed an idiot. It is a fact that, in most cases, if you are caught double dipping you will have your offer revoked or fired from BOTH companies. Dont trust me, just ask your HR rep. Just tell them "I want to work here whiule drawing a paycheck from someplace else for the next few months". Tell both companies, and just solicit their feedback. If you cant do this, then you know you are doing something wrong.

Companies pay absolutely nothing to have their employment "RECORDS" posted on theworknumber. These "RECORDS" are "PERMANENT" and are accessed via fees from the verifying organization. The work number has well over 50,000 companies that electronically upload employment "RECORDS" on a monthly basis, and it is as easy to verify your employment as it is to check your credit.
 






Anonymous said:
Thank you, Optimer HR. Go jump off a cliff. Better yet, let some of us push you.

You are a moron. A company has to pay to be on The Work Number as a client. Some companies don't even report publicly.

You know all about it because that's what HR told you, right? Suuuuuuure.

Permanent record? How Ferris Bueller can you get? If you tell your company and they are aware of it, most of the time they could care less. Why? Because it's too much time and trouble to go back and verify. Any company that pulls you out of a meeting to fire you wasn't worth working for or you sent off other signals that meant they were looking for a reason for fire your butt.

And stop posting when you are smashed and crying over the guy that just dumped you.
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You not only are an unethical idiotic and larcenous their, but you clearly have no idea of what you are talking about.

For those who care below is a description of theworknumber that comes directly from their website. Listening to the previous larcenous clown will have you ruined. Please note that equifax owns this company, verifying your employment dates is as easy as checking your credit and can be done in seconds. The cost is FREE to the posting company and is absorbed by those that verify only. So virually EVERY MAJOR company in America uses it. YOU CAN NOT HIDE YOUR EMPLOYMENT HISTORY PERIOD! The previous thiefwill comeback with insults, but no facts. Why is he trying so hard to get you to believe that stealing is OK and iimpossible to catch?

"The Work Number is a user-paid verification of employment database created by TALX Corporation.[1] TALX was acquired by Equifax Inc. in February 2007.[2]
The Work Number allows requestors to receive immediate confirmation of an individual's employment and salary for verification purposes. The fee for this information is revealed only after the requester answers several personal questions.[3]
It is used by over 50,000 organizations to verify employment data.[4]
Some organizations that use the Work Number include Fannie Mae,[5] Hilton Hotels,[6] Rent-A-Center,[6] the United States Postal Service,[6] Domino's Pizza,[3] and the University of Pennsylvania.[7] Founded in 1995,[8] the Work Number has 192 million employment records.[9]
The Work Number is an example of outsourcing of a Human Resources department function.
Additionally, the adoption of The Work Number causes a change in the financial responsibility for verification of employment. In typical organizations, the cost of a verification of employment is borne completely by the employer and the actual cost of service is absorbed into the human resource department budget. In organizations using The Work Number, the cost is borne by the requestor of verification, who purchases either a single verification or a package of multiple verifications from TALX."
 






The best suggestion is resigning late Friday afternoon and starting work on Monday. No muss, fuss.

But just so we all know on this Talx sales pitch - this is an outsource employment verification service. An employer has to sign up and PAY to outsource employee verification - companies do this so HR doesn't have to deal with all the requests. Then the company gives ALL employees instructions and an EMPLOYER code for the site to log in to release employment verification for mortgage, loan apps, and any other reasons you need employment verification. Optr doesn't use it so no Optr info. So let your conscience be your guide since it carries more weight than any of this yapping..
 


















Back to the original point.

Leaving once I receive the final paperwork from my new employer. Negotiating start date.

Said they have had a lot of Optimer resumes in the last few months.

Can't blame anybody for leaving this place.
 






Anonymous said:
You not only are an unethical idiotic and larcenous their, but you clearly have no idea of what you are talking about.

For those who care below is a description of theworknumber that comes directly from their website. Listening to the previous larcenous clown will have you ruined. Please note that equifax owns this company, verifying your employment dates is as easy as checking your credit and can be done in seconds. The cost is FREE to the posting company and is absorbed by those that verify only. So virually EVERY MAJOR company in America uses it. YOU CAN NOT HIDE YOUR EMPLOYMENT HISTORY PERIOD! The previous thiefwill comeback with insults, but no facts. Why is he trying so hard to get you to believe that stealing is OK and iimpossible to catch?

"The Work Number is a user-paid verification of employment database created by TALX Corporation.[1] TALX was acquired by Equifax Inc. in February 2007.[2]
The Work Number allows requestors to receive immediate confirmation of an individual's employment and salary for verification purposes. The fee for this information is revealed only after the requester answers several personal questions.[3]
It is used by over 50,000 organizations to verify employment data.[4]
Some organizations that use the Work Number include Fannie Mae,[5] Hilton Hotels,[6] Rent-A-Center,[6] the United States Postal Service,[6] Domino's Pizza,[3] and the University of Pennsylvania.[7] Founded in 1995,[8] the Work Number has 192 million employment records.[9]
The Work Number is an example of outsourcing of a Human Resources department function.
Additionally, the adoption of The Work Number causes a change in the financial responsibility for verification of employment. In typical organizations, the cost of a verification of employment is borne completely by the employer and the actual cost of service is absorbed into the human resource department budget. In organizations using The Work Number, the cost is borne by the requestor of verification, who purchases either a single verification or a package of multiple verifications from TALX."
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Are you their sales rep for San Diego or something?
 












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